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#1 by danteas
2021-11-02 at 05:52
< report >just finished it but sadly there were a few things i didnt really understood mostly thanks to my pea sized brain that sometimes fails to understand hato writting style and the fact that im sadly not fully fluent on japanesse yet.

1- how did yuki find out julia identity

2- how did saruyoshi found out about karasu, i totally mised the explanation

3- was karasu actually dying at the begining?, i naturally asumed that she dying was bullshit, but when other character mention anything about it, they make it sound like it was actually a serious thing.

4- garasu background, i didnt understand a single thing about it, the only thing i think i got right was that her current family wasnt her original oneLast modified on 2021-11-02 at 05:53
#2 by el-ahrairah
2021-11-02 at 09:11
< report >Dont worry, everyone has brainrot to some degree just by being on the internet.

At least to my understanding,

1- Yuki didn't find out what Julia's identity was, if anything, Julia, or Saruyoshi, confessed to her after their show together at the festival.

2- Saruyoshi, during the sports festival at their school (Zoukibayashi), happened to catch his eyes upon a proposal being handed over to their school principal where their school was going to turn into a parking lot of all things.

Being Saruyoshi he went out of his way to see who was behind the project and lo and behold, the Tsukishima group. The daughter, Tsukishima Karasu, just happens to be a student of the all-girls school neighbouring Zoukibayashi, the Garasunomiya Girls School. The rest is history.

3- You can say that Karasu was literally dying of boredom. Her reasons for wanting to die wasn't bullshit. Karasu, when Saruyoshi first met her was literally 100% so done with her life, she'd rather die than live this 'life' of hers that her parents had laid out for. She had everything, but nothing she has had given 'fun' to her or made her life worth living.

4- She, unlike Yuki or Karasu, wasn't born from a wealthy family. Her mother gave birth to her when she was still out and about messing around with men, which gave the family a whole lot of trouble. As such, Garasu was entrusted to be in her aunt and uncle's care and took the Garasunomiya family name.

At this point (probably 10ish years ago?), the Garasunomiya family was just a small family living in the Zoukibayashi area. It wasn't until one day Garasu, at least it was implied, picked up a lottery ticket on the street that happened to be the one that hit the jackpot. Overnight the Garasunomiya family found themselves with a bunch of fortune and probably the school was built with that fortune too.

Because their fortune was built upon one single lottery ticket, her uncle was anxious to keep the Garasunomiya name afloat. As such Garasu was raised very strictly, everything was laid out for her by her uncle in hopes of further strengthening the family, even marrying her to another wealthy family should their family worth plummet (which kinda did in the story along with the Tsukishima group, hence the girls' reconsideration on their stance towards co-ed). She had almost no freedom. Only after enrolling into Garasunomiya, did she manage to get a small, cheap apartment flat for herself that she can finally call a place she can belong.Last modified on 2021-11-02 at 09:49
#3 by kidbuu25
2021-11-02 at 18:24
< report >I had the same question about this too

4- She, unlike Yuki or Karasu, wasn't born from a wealthy family. Her mother gave birth to her when she was still out and about messing around with men, which gave the family a whole lot of trouble. As such, Garasu was entrusted to be in her aunt and uncle's care and took the Garasunomiya family name.

At this point (probably 10ish years ago?), the Garasunomiya family was just a small family living in the Zoukibayashi area. It wasn't until one day Garasu, at least it was implied, picked up a lottery ticket on the street that happened to be the one that hit the jackpot. Overnight the Garasunomiya family found themselves with a bunch of fortune and probably the school was built with that fortune too.

Because their fortune was built upon one single lottery ticket, her uncle was anxious to keep the Garasunomiya name afloat. As such Garasu was raised very strictly, everything was laid out for her by her uncle in hopes of further strengthening the family, even marrying her to another wealthy family should their family worth plummet (which kinda did in the story along with the Tsukishima group, hence the girls' reconsideration on their stance towards co-ed). She had almost no freedom. Only after enrolling into Garasunomiya, did she manage to get a small, cheap apartment flat for herself that she can finally call a place she can belong.

From what I get from her story, she calls her parents "Uncle" and "Aunt" so I had doubt about her family not being the real one too. I also remember the part talking about she picked up a jackpot lottery on the street which made her family suddenly become wealthy and changed her life forever.

That's all I remember from her route. There is no other explicit explanation about her family after that. The next thing I know is she was entrusted to her "Uncle" and he told her to live like an ojousama in order to sell her to some rich family for frame and money. He also talked about her mother playing around with men a lot but never mentioned about her being born from unknown man if I remember correctly. Once again, I wonder what the heck happened to her real parents after all this time.

Your explanation is very good and covers all of my questions but may I ask where you got all of those info from the story? Or are they just your assumptions from the few provided info? No offense because I'm just curios about many things I don't remember in her story like:

Overnight the Garasunomiya family found themselves with a bunch of fortune and probably the school was built with that fortune too.

Does this mean she is daughter of founder of the school? I thought it was strange that her name is the same as the school's name but didn't pay attention and forgot about it later too since the game never mentions about it.

Because their fortune was built upon one single lottery ticket, her uncle was anxious to keep the Garasunomiya name afloat.

I still remember about Saru being surprised at her family name when he comes to pick her up at her uncle's house and I was like "???" Does this mean her uncle took her away from her own parents or something? Because the story did say she was living a happy life with her average family before picking up the ticket. This means she did have parents and was not a half-orphan with unknown father since her mother was playing around.

I don't know if this is the author's writing style or this game was intended to be vague and lacking of info from the beginning but it got me confused a lot while reading. I'm pretty confident in my japanese but not memory so I might have missed many important things.
#4 by danteas
2021-11-02 at 18:40
< report >#3 i think the vagueness its mostly hato's writing style, he loves to explain important things in very vage and indirect ways. he wasnt that bad in monkeys but in noratoto 2 especially on iris route, i pretty much failed to grasp what the hell even happened to iris kingdom and how were things even resolved because, hato decided that explaining things in such a way was enough.Last modified on 2021-11-02 at 18:40
#5 by omnixd
2021-11-02 at 18:44
< report >Hato always does this to make the reader actually think instead of putting the candy directly into your mouth. You have to retcon every single event cuz they lowkey throw you tons of info. Like for example about Mebachi's mom having schizophrenia/mental problems (developed most likely cuz the wars).Last modified on 2021-11-02 at 18:44
#6 by kidbuu25
2021-11-03 at 01:52
< report >#4 #5 I didn't even notice it's the same author of nora lol. No wonder it's random af and the scenes just jump from one to another abruptly without any foreshadowing.

Like for example about Mebachi's mom having schizophrenia/mental problems (developed most likely cuz the wars).

This is very confusing too. In the end, I still had no idea if Ai is Mebachi's mother possessing her or it's another personality she created based on her dead mother to protect herself from danger.
#7 by el-ahrairah
2021-11-03 at 14:41
< report >#3
They were mostly my assumptions based on the very limited information that's spread throughout the story haphazardly yeah. It was my best attempt on making sense of the story, I guess.

As for her being the daughter of the founder of Garasunomiya I'm not sure. But there was this brief moment in Karasu's route that really stood out to me was that: as she finishes her speech with her stating her name and position in the school, she referred to herself in a different last name. So that's where the assumption I had about she taking the Garasunomiya family name. She may not be originally, but after being taken into Garasunomiya she would be.

Because the story did say she was living a happy life with her average family before picking up the ticket. This means she did have parents and was not a half-orphan with unknown father since her mother was playing around.

I'm not so sure about this one, my understanding of it was more that the "family" was referring to her aunt and uncle's. Because Karasu's brief retelling was that even though they've got the riches from the lottery, that financial freedom didn't mean her (Garasu's) freedom was guaranteed.
富があれば、自由になれるということでもない
自由になれないことの苦しさは、私もわかるわ
 And Karasu shares that pain with her. Both despite having the riches couldn't find or do the things they want to do.

Another thing was that right before Garasu attends the dinner party with Julia, her fiance came to meet Garasu and her uncle, to which her uncle said:
あの子の母親はね。結婚もしないで子ども作るような女でね
Unless there's like 1000 layers deep of context I'm missing あの子の母親 should be referring to her mother who gave birth to Garasu. She's not married. Where she has gone off too, not sure. I guess you can call it a family but the hint I was getting here from Hato's vague writing was to draw parallels to Saruyoshi's fractured family background. And that her uncle has alot of trouble raising her as his surrogate daughter. To which basically he flats out says his reasoning for marrying her off to somebody else rich enough was that:
教育というのは、大変ですよ。苦労しました。その分、これからうん十年と親孝行してもらわないと
And after the ruckus Julia caused at the party and she telling his uncle that she wanted to live with someone she truly loves, to which he retorted with anger in his words:
なんだ?恩知らずなのかお前は。預けられたお前をこっちは苦労してな
Her mother, at least in my assumptions, didn't had the financial ability to raise or, or even gave a shit in the first place, whatever the reason may be. Which was why Garasu was entrusted to her uncle and aunt's, and gave alot of trouble in the process, in his words, which he probably didn't have much of a choice. As such he's marrying off Garasu to pay off this "childcare"(?) debt that her mother has basically put upon the relatives. If she did had a family before this one, it wouldn't make sense from the uncle's perspective to all of a sudden drag shit (more problems, raising Garasu for one) onto his plate given how much he's being a petty ass. They could've just cut all contact with her mother and Garasu and let them live their own lives (even moreso if it was Garasu's original family that had the lottery).

I somewhat also remember Garasu calling her aunt to catch up with things after she left the Garasunomiya household along with Saruyoshi, and referring to her as Okaa-san (probably in a surrogate sense), but I can't be bothered to find the exact quote on this one, so don't take me seriously on this one. Her aunt to some degree did try her best raising her, and with her uncle so hell-bent on money not knowing about the lottery ticket, he had no choice but to raise her. In a sense, they did live a "happy" life before that.

In the end of the day this is just my headcanon, pay no heed if you have one that you thinks makes more sense.Last modified on 2021-11-03 at 18:48
#8 by kidbuu25
2021-11-03 at 16:27
< report >#7
Thanks for your hard work, my fellow comrade in trying to figure out this mess. In the end, I guess all we could do is to assume everything from the very few info of the game.

during her (Garasu)'s speech at the theatre she confessed to lying about her family name

We all know her current family name is certainly not Garasunomiya because Saru was surprised when he came to her house. This is why I came up with the conclusion that due to some complex circumstance, her "uncle" took her away from her real family Garasunomiya which is founder of the school after becoming wealthy and she has to hide her new/current family name because of it. Otherwise, I have no idea how and why she took the Garasunomiya name when attending school.Last modified on 2021-11-03 at 16:37
#9 by kidbuu25
2021-11-03 at 16:30
< report >Oh you just edited the previous message before I posted lol.
#10 by kidbuu25
2021-11-03 at 16:36
< report >Thanks to your explanation, it does make sense now if she has only one family with the "uncle and aunt" before and after the ticket incident since her real mother couldn't afford to raise her if she was just playing around with men. However, the Garasunomiya family name still remains mystery :)
#11 by el-ahrairah
2021-11-03 at 16:41
< report >No problem, apologies for just typing all this shit out and may seem a chore to read, there may or may not could've been a more elegant summarization but ultimately like you said its up to debate what the fuck is going on because Hato refuses to elaborate any further lmao.Last modified on 2021-11-03 at 16:42
#12 by kidbuu25
2021-11-03 at 16:44
< report >
I somewhat also remember Garasu calling her aunt to catch up with things after she left the Garasunomiya household along with Saruyoshi, and referring to her as Okaa-san (probably in a surrogate sense), but I can't be bothered to find the exact quote on this one, so don't take me seriously on this one.

I also remember this part too so no need to double check lol. I got confused here at first too when she suddenly switches to "mother". Well, I guess it's just as you say at this point.
#13 by kidbuu25
2021-11-03 at 16:47
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No problem, apologies for just typing all this shit out and may seem a chore to read, there may or may not could've been a more elegant summarization but ultimately like you said its up to debate what the fuck is going on because Hato refuses to elaborate any further lmao.

You are absolutely right, mate. And I hate myself that I couldn't give this sloppy, lazy and messed up writing style less than 9 lmao.
#14 by el-ahrairah
2021-11-03 at 17:08
< report >
You are absolutely right, mate. And I hate myself that I couldn't give this sloppy, lazy and messed up writing style less than 9 lmao.
You tell me man, here I am with a 9.5. I guess despite the sloppy mess the overall scenario resonated with me alot, and that is enough of a reason for me despite the shortcomings.Last modified on 2021-11-03 at 17:09
#15 by magmaro22
2021-11-22 at 19:28
< report >yo el-ahrairah random question but i came across your vndb, incredibly based how much vns you've finished and you like rance alot ! do you have discord? I'd like to talk and maybe get some recommendations too!
#16 by kidbuu25
2021-11-23 at 16:08
< report >Gratz my Monkey comrade. You got a new fan stalker now :)
#17 by magmaro22
2021-11-23 at 21:38
< report >LMAO
#18 by casualreader
2021-12-04 at 23:16
< report >A bit late, but here's my two cents on some of these, now that I finished it.

3- was karasu actually dying at the begining?, i naturally asumed that she dying was bullshit, but when other character mention anything about it, they make it sound like it was actually a serious thing.
She was dying, except it wasn't a physical illness, but a psychological one.
She was an "odd" child when young, "expressionless, absent-minded and always looking at nowhere in particular". This is when her parents gave her a doll (Julia), which she always "dressed up, made her up and talked to every day". When her parents saw that she finally started talking for the first time because of the doll, they decided to expand and made "a house inside the house", with more dolls, inside Karasu's room. She then created an entire family of dolls out of it (siblings, grandma, grandpa, mother, uncle, aunt) and kept playing with them, imagining their lives and talking to them.
Her parents suggested her to go out and play with actual friends, but to her, the friends were there, inside her room. This kept going until one day, her parents ordered her to go make friends. She insisted she did have friends already, which her parents promptly rebuked. This is when they decided to throw all the dolls away.
This was a big shock to her made her lonely, putting her in an even worse condition than before. She talked even less than before, didn't concentrate on anything and had a short temper. The kids around her saw her condition and didn't try to become friends with her either. Because of her state, even if she did anything bad, it was the parents of the other kids would come apologize instead. She became more and more isolated from here on after.

In summary, she had a deep case of depression and lost the will to live. So she decided she would just sleep to her death, which is why she was hospitalized.
From what I understand, her parents weren't bad people, they were just awkward and didn't know how to help her daughter (thus the reason they keep giving money to any friends she make, to "help" make sure their stay her friends).

4- garasu background, i didnt understand a single thing about it, the only thing i think i got right was that her current family wasnt her original one
I agree with most of what #7 mentioned, except about her family and the Garasunomiya name, which I can't draw a single conclusion. The two things I can think of are:
1. She did have a family before her uncle and aunt (which was her+her birth mother+some man who she wasn't married to) and they were the Garasunomiya family. They used the money to help found the school, but didn't know how to manage the money. She was unmarried, so anything could have happened with the money and her partner and she just left the care of Garasu to the uncle+aunt (which may or may not be blood related). Her uncle accepted as he saw this as an opportunity to use her Garasunomiya name to marry her into a rich family and prosper himself.
2. She never had a family aside from her uncle+aunt. They were poor until she found the ticket, and her uncle+aunt used the money to help found the school and live luxurily. In order to user her name as bait, her uncle determined her to be called "Garasunomiya Garasu" instead of her original family name and establish a clear relation to the school as a way to show prestige.
Her uncle also mentions that "Garasunomiya" is "a brand that attracts stupid man". This is an indication that she's only retaining the name due to that and would likely discard the name as soon as she married.
#19 by kidbuu25
2021-12-05 at 02:48
< report >#18
About your theory on Garasu's background, I have something to say too based on what little remaining of my memory about this game.

1. This is mostly the same as the conclusion I got from the discussion with el-ah so there is nothing to say here.

2. I vaguely remember her uncle gave jack shit about the school when it was on verge of closing down due to financial problem and told her to quit school to get married as soon as possible so I don't think he spent money for the school in any way. On the other hand, this also means Garasu and her current family have nothing to do with the name "Garasunomiya" from the beginning so is it that easy to change your family name to the owner/founder of a big school like this?Last modified on 2021-12-05 at 02:52
#20 by casualreader
2021-12-05 at 21:35
< report >On 2., Karasu mentioned that they didn't know what to do with the money, so I wouldn't rule it out that they made a rash decision in investing in the school with it.
Either way, I doubt the school would have allowed someone to be on the top board for decision making (as they mention several times in the game, the three families ruled the school) without having at least invested in the school at some point. I don't believe they would also allow someone with a fake name using the name of the school either.

On the other hand, it's likely easy to fake the name register for someone who controls the decisions in the school (e.g., the three families).
#21 by kidbuu25
2021-12-06 at 04:06
< report >Well, Karasu's background story might be deeper and more complicated than we thought. It does make more sense now that you explained it but I still don't think it's easy to fake the name register like that. It might be fine with other names but the name of the school itself must involve a lot of behind-the-scene things. However, it's not really important at this point and there is no way for us casual readers to confirm it so it's better to leave it as it is. :)
#22 by casualreader
2021-12-07 at 16:36
< report >I don't know how things work in Japan (actually, I don't know how name changing or aliases work anywhere in the world), so I can't really say either, but yeah, it's hard to tell being as vague as it is.

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