Why is Setsuna so well liked? (spoilers)
|#1 by casualreader|
2022-01-08 at 16:37
|< report >I've just finished White Album 2 (not the fandisc) and I can't understand why is Setsuna so well liked by the community (judging by the polls so far). I feel I might be biased, because ever since IC I've found Setsuna to be the root of everything, going out with Haruki for the wrong purposes and clinging to him as Kazusa left, not out of love, but because he was the only supporting pillar left of the former trio. |
But I feel I might be biased, which is why I ask, to the people who have played and liked her, can anyone please explain the reason why?
If possible, nothing superficial like her appearance and so.
|#2 by onorub|
2022-01-08 at 19:41
|< report >In Setsuna's defense, with how cowardly Haruki and Kazusa were being, if she didn't ask him out some other pretty girl would've done it eventually, the probably was trying to keep the trio dynamic when that was clearly impossible. Also, Haruki was equally at fault for the toxicity in Closing Chapter, because both kept blaming themselves instead of demanding responsability from the other (which was the solution as both wanted to be punished). I don't exactly agree, but i feel what might make her appealing as a love interest is that her similarities to Haruki (being hard on herself instead of others) is what keeps her from having a proper relationship with him, so you keep getting the feeling of "if they just consulted someone harsher they'd be fine".Last modified on 2022-01-08 at 19:42|
|#3 by casualreader|
2022-01-08 at 21:26
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In Setsuna's defense, with how cowardly Haruki and Kazusa were being, if she didn't ask him out some other pretty girl would've done it eventuallyBut Setsuna decided to confess exactly because she felt their relationship was about to progress. Don't get me wrong, I had no problem with Setsuna confessing first and dating Haruki. If she, afterwards, acted like a normal girlfriend, it would be fine by me and I would be mad at Haruki instead if he cheated on Kazusa. But Setsuna calling Kazusa to be there all time with the two of them was just beyond cruel for me. (she does mention in her confession that she miscalculated Kazusa and Haruki's feeling as she didn't expect them to be this strong)
It's true, though, that Haruki and Kazusa would never have gotten closer were it not for Setsuna, who provoked Kazusa into taking a step forward (using Haruki as bait), I don't think Kazusa and Haruki would ever be brave enough to be in a relationship otherwise.
(which was the solution as both wanted to be punished)Hmm...I can't think of a solution that would punishing to both, aside from breaking up. Haruki tried to distance himself, but Setsuna would never allow the breakup or for him to get too close or too far. If he got too far, Setsuna decided to go to the party to make him worry; if he got too close, she would push him away due to Kazusa (like the Christmas route branch night). I was starting to like Setsuna in CC when I thought she had changed, but the night of the party when she disappeared just reminded me otherwise (and then the Christmas night).
but i feel what might make her appealing as a love interest is that her similarities to Haruki (being hard on herself instead of others) is what keeps her from having a proper relationship with himIsn't that Koharu though? I can't see them having a proper relationship until Haruki properly faces Setsuna, something he never does (even in Setsuna's true end, the most progress he does is "he doesn't know her feelings at all"). All the other times, he (and everyone else, really, except Tomo kind of) puts her in a pedestal. Maybe if they all started seeing her as a normal girl, things might've been different (including my impression)
if they just consulted someone harsher they'd be fineTomo was exactly that, I think. She was the one who made Setsuna take a step forward, and that lasted two years, but it wasn't enough to hold their relationship together.
|#4 by nishsin|
2022-01-09 at 03:27
|< report >Personally like Setsuna as she is the best written character and most intersting in the game, Kazusa probably ranks the lowest as her character type of 'child negelected by parent acting out and hating the world' is so over done to the point of tedium that there frankly was little of interest in her character for me.|
Haruki is the route of ALL the problems in the game and I don't particularly feel Setsuna did anything particularly wrong, and frankly I despise him much more than even someone like Makoto Itou who at least seemed happy to be a scumbag, Haruki just comes of as disingenuous with most of his actions.
In Introductory chapter he monologues about his feelings for Kazusa but both Kazusa and Haruki do absolutely nothing about it, then Setsuna confesses....not like she forced him at gunpoint to accept so his resolve toward Kazusa is pretty dubious at that point, and that is just the start of the long list of problems with his character.
Do find it funny that his supposed he can fly out to be with Mari in her route but thought never even crossed this morons mind in the 3 year period to fly out to chase after his supposed 'soul mate' both him and Kazusa seem so overly simple in their ideas of love that personally I feel they would be doomed to failure in any case. He also had this 3 year period after Kazusa left if he was truly serious about her and didn't feel as strongly for Setsuna he should have just walked away as soon as possible, perhaps even after the airport...but he is a coward that just dragged everything out and ended up hirting so many others in the process. I imagine if he aftually ever came out and actually told Takeya and Io the full story, they would as well as being disgusted with him also stopped their various schemes of trying to get the two of them to reconcile with each other.
Biggest regret of the game is actually not having an ending where both Setsuna and Kazusa realize how awful of a person Haruki is for either of them and they both more on with their lives and leave him just to continue blaming and feeling sorry for himself.
|#5 by casualreader|
2022-01-09 at 12:05
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Personally like Setsuna as she is the best written character and most intersting in the game, Kazusa probably ranks the lowest as her character type of 'child negelected by parent acting out and hating the world' is so over done to the point of tedium that there frankly was little of interest in her character for me.If you think about it, none of the main characters aside from Setsuna is complex.
Kazusa is on IC and Coda, but she's pretty much a child in terms of personality as she spend her entire youth without contacting people up until Haruki/Setsuna in IC, and then her time stopped there and only restarted five years later in Coda.
Mari is just in CC, and is simply a workaholic who never gave any chance to love.
Koharu is also just in CC and is simply a Haruki: serious, single-minded and with a strong sense of responsibility/justice (except Haruki breaks down and Koharu doesn't).
Chiaki is in IC and CC, but she doesn't change at all during the three years and only has growth in CC (where she is basically someone who wasn't interested and is starting to understand love).
Setsuna is in IC, CC and Coda, as well as present in all heroine routes. She goes through two time skips too, from IC -> CC (three years) and CC -> Coda (two years). It would be weird if she didn't become a complex character after all the screen time she has (I know you said best written and most interesting, but screen time and an interesting character are related in my opinion, otherwise you don't get to know enough aspects of them).
Haruki is the route of ALL the problems in the game and I don't particularly feel Setsuna did anything particularly wrongThat's one thing I couldn't understand and it's also what the game directs you to think at all times. Of course Haruki is wrong, but I can't see how he's the source of all problems. Everyone in the story, including Haruki (and except for Setsuna) blame him for everything. We don't know what happened in the three years (between IC and CC), but judging from the common route in CC, every time Haruki tries to do anything that might lead to a break up, Setsuna does something to prevent it. This is most evident in Mari's route, where Setsuna uses any means necessary to stop the break up, including, by the end, offering her body/virginity in exchange (something she'd already tried in the Christmas event). Is it all his fault? For me, relationships are made of two, but the everything in the VN refuses to explicitly point that out (on purpose, I think, to incite this feeling I have).
In Introductory chapter he monologues about his feelings for Kazusa but both Kazusa and Haruki do absolutely nothing about it, then Setsuna confesses....not like she forced him at gunpoint to accept so his resolve toward Kazusa is pretty dubious at that point, and that is just the start of the long list of problems with his character.Kazusa kissed Haruki after the festival though, which is the only reason Setsuna was spurred to take action, when moments before, she had talked Io down on the idea of confessing and breaking the status quo. Haruki accepted the confession and from then on, it should've been all good, but Setsuna insisted on taking Kazusa everywhere they went (even going as far as bringing her to bathe naked with him). Again, Kazusa is also responsible here, because she could've rejected the offers and taken distance herself (which she successfully does so until Haruki finds her coming back from abroad). But is Setsuna also not to blame for keeping two people who are in love so close to one another while knowing they can't be in a relationship? (although she does admit later on she miscalculated how strong their feelings were)
Do find it funny that his supposed he can fly out to be with Mari in her route but thought never even crossed this morons mind in the 3 year period to fly out to chase after his supposed 'soul mate' both him and Kazusa seem so overly simple in their ideas of love that personally I feel they would be doomed to failure in any case.You're forgetting one factor that Mari had and Kazusa didn't: a best friend as a mediator. Haruki would've never gone after Mari either had Sawako not shown up and talked to him. There are also other things that come into play: in IC, Setsuna and Haruki just started their relationship and Haruki's sense of obligation is at max level; in Mari's route, Setsuna and Haruki's relationship is already hanging by a thread when Mari leaves. Mari is also Haruki's savior when he was at rock bottom, whereas Kazusa never had anything of the kind happen.
I imagine if he aftually ever came out and actually told Takeya and Io the full story, they would as well as being disgusted with him also stopped their various schemes of trying to get the two of them to reconcile with each other.I highly doubt they didn't know about it (I don't remember right now, but I think they mention several times "again" when he confesses his betrayals in CC). After the events of Kazusa leaving, Haruki was likely broken and would've confessed to them out of guilt. Which might also be why they never take his side on any argument. But they never stopped their reconciliation schemes because they wanted it to be successful to give them confidence over their own relationship. Takeya asks Haruki is several occasions "not to be a man like him" and he changes attitude and becomes serious/more like Haruki when Haruki-Setsuna makeup after CC. And Io's attitude towards Takeya only changes whenever Haruki-Setsuna's relationship progresses.
Biggest regret of the game is actually not having an ending where both Setsuna and Kazusa realize how awful of a person Haruki is for either of them and they both more on with their lives and leave him just to continue blaming and feeling sorry for himself.Can you imagine this being possible though? Setsuna mentions in IC how it was the first time she ever willingly wanted to join in something when she sang to the guitar and piano's White Album. Afterwards, while talking to Io, she also confesses that she makes up a high wall because if she does so, it means that whoever manages to climb it, means they won't break up easily, which is an allusion to the small world that Setsuna has. Kazusa too only had Setsuna/Haruki in IC, her mother in CC and Haruki/her mother in Coda composing her world. Not to mention they all felt guilty about something they did in IC, so it's hard for them to put the blame completely on another.
But I am satisfied now that I finally played the Extra Episode and it has everything I ever wanted out of White Album 2, as well as finally giving me a part of Setsuna I'm very happy about. If you haven't played it yet, completely recommend it.
|#6 by akaienkana|
2022-01-09 at 21:59
|< report >I haven't finished this one yet, but Setsuna seems like the only girl whose route I'm not interested in at all. She just seems overly obsessive and maybe even slightly manipulative in forcing her own selfishness to others while clinging forever to any promises like her life depended on them. Maybe she's majorly different in towards the end of CC, but so far she's the bottom on my list. |
But then again how the triangle has somehow managed to fester into this absolutely unhealthy mess over the years where they haven't managed to or don't even want to move on or fix the issues has made me more interested in the CC trio of girls.
|#7 by casualreader|
2022-01-10 at 01:21
|< report >#6 You shouldn't read anything I wrote above, as it contains heavy spoilers. But if you are anything like me (and it seems you are), you probably won't find peace with Setsuna as a character until you read the Extra Episode.|
|#8 by alphonae|
2022-01-22 at 07:57
|< report >@akaienkan|
Do finish the Setsuna route before you head on to Kazusa's. Especially if you like Kazusa.
|#9 by Lamp2001|
2022-01-22 at 23:55
|< report >Oy, have you guys ever heard the saying "brevity is the soul of wit"?|
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