"Nukige" and "High Sexual Content"
|#1 by tutMutant|
2023-01-04 at 21:37
|< report >Hi. Maybe stupid question, but I confused with this two tags. Both for games with lot of sex. "Nukige" is for games where "plot serves the sex-scenes". Does that means "High Sexual Content" is for VNs with at least some kind of half-decent plot, which in theory can be enjoyed without H-scenes? Does this tags mutually exclusive? Should I downvote one if I upvote another (and vice versa)? Thanks.|
|#2 by Draconyan|
2023-01-04 at 22:03
|< report >That's correct. High Sexual Content is for games with lots of sex but where sex scenes aren't the only focus. |
Nukige is a child tag of High Sexual Content, which means, for example, that if you search the latter, it will show all of the games with the former as well. Therefore, if Nukige applies, you should only tag it and not High Sexual Content, as it would be redundant.
|#3 by tutMutant|
2023-01-04 at 23:23
|< report >Thank you for the answer, I didn't notice these tags' parent/child "relationship". It's more clearer now. So I will downvote on "Nukige" if I believe it is not, but will just ignore "High Sexual Content" for nukige VNs, since it's parent tag.|
|#4 by SomeDude|
2023-01-10 at 08:08
|< report >According to the High Sexual Content tag, however, half or more of a game's playtime needs to consist of H-scenes in order to qualify for the tag.|
I'm not sure I've ever seen a non-nukige with that much playtime consisting of sexual content... usually I just see it tagged onto nukiges.
So is it just a redundant tag when only nukiges have >50% sexual content?Last modified on 2023-01-10 at 08:11
|#5 by Draconyan|
2023-01-10 at 11:25
|< report >I've played a few games with high sexual content I wouldn't consider nukige, such as CITY no.109: Arisu Hen and Soushisouai Lolita. I haven't actually measured if the H part is more than half of the total playtime or not, though.|
|#6 by pd159|
2023-01-17 at 12:11
|< report >Euphoria is no Nukige|
|#7 by Ileca|
2023-01-17 at 14:46
|< report >Euphoria is definitely a nukige. What are you doing every turn? Book reviewing? No, you fap on ero scenes. People need to stop thinking nukige is an insult.|
Same for CITY no.109: Arisu Hen, the best part is the sex and while the game/CG set could survive without it (not really), it's still the best/most important part.
|#8 by nyaaamii|
2023-01-17 at 22:28
|< report >After reading this thread, I went and tagged as nukige all the nukige I'd read that weren't properly tagged. Not only most of them weren't tagged as nukige, but some even had the "nukige" tag downvoted, such as Sacrament no Juunikyuu: Midareru Kohitsuji to Tenazuku Ookami or Sakura Fantasy|
|#9 by encrypted12345|
2023-01-18 at 03:44
|< report >@7 Jokes on you, I never masturbate on ero scenes. But yes, I do think Euphoria's probably a nukige, even if its plot is pretty notable due to the focus being on the H-scenes.|
@8 I barely remember any actual sex scenes from Sakura Fantasy. Maybe they were just shoved at the end or something.Last modified on 2023-01-18 at 04:13
|#10 by pd159|
2023-01-18 at 05:00
|< report >If you think Euphoria is a nukige you clearly haven't played it lmao|
|#11 by nyaaamii|
2023-01-18 at 14:05
|< report >@9 All Sakura VNs are nukige, their point is to present sexy (if not sexualised) girls in erotic/sexual situations, and their plot is just limited to giving some context. Sakura Fantasy especially isn't subtle about it compared to other Sakura VNs I've readLast modified on 2023-01-18 at 14:06|
|#12 by Ileca|
2023-01-18 at 15:44
|< report >Nukige, as the name implies, has for primary purpose to make you ejaculate (抜く). Unless you are an horny teenager, titillating games will not make you wank and are not nukige. You already have "sexy (if not sexualised) girls in erotic/sexual situations" everywhere, even in mainstream anime. The Winged Cloud that do not feature porn are not nukige.|
|#13 by nyaaamii|
2023-01-18 at 16:07
|< report >@12 That's not the definition written on its tag page though. There's a big difference between a vn that's about sex and one that is specifically designed to make a penis ejaculate. While the later is part of the former, the former isn't limited to the later (e.g. VNs about sex made for women). So the tag needs to be either redefined or understood in a broader meaning.|
By "All Sakura VNs are nukige", I meant the ones that have sex scenes, if there exist Sakura VNs without any that I don't know of.Last modified on 2023-01-18 at 16:10
|#14 by bobjr2000|
2023-01-18 at 17:19
|< report >#13 I would agree in that is what I was told the difference was when trying to understand. Nukige doesn't have to have high sexual content, it could even be low sexual content. But the plot is still primary focused on sex/erotic things even if they don't do it that often. Imouto Paradise! if you removed 95% of sex scenes it would still be a nukige because primary plot is still the sisters trying to jump their brother's bone. While something like Walkure Romanze which has above avg sexual content but is not a nukige despite all the sex scenes because it does have other serious plots going on.|
|#15 by SomeDude|
2023-01-19 at 03:41
|< report >I think one key aspect of a nukige is that they'll present an H-scene within the first five minutes, sometimes within the first three seconds.|
An example of this is Boku to Koi Suru Ponkotsu Akuma. which presents a scene at the very beginning before rewinding to show how things got to that point.
This very VN is also an example of a story that could make for a cute romance story even without the H-content, but the H-content is so high that most people tend to classify it as nukige. However, most nukige have harem endings, and this one doesn't. It's as if the scene in the first three seconds has nothing at all to do with the rest of the plot, actually. And it also has extended periods of H-free story content, as well. So is there a debate on whether or not "Boku to Koi Suru Ponkotsu Akuma." is actually a nukige, or just a high sexual content moege?
Without a doubt, however, the fandisk is pure nukige.Last modified on 2023-01-19 at 03:44
|#16 by Ileca|
2023-01-19 at 03:58
|< report >It's not one key aspect at all. Black Lilith's titles are known to have a couple hours of buildup before piling up ero scenes. Buildup is a very important part of good nukige. To take this example again, Oni Kantoku to Ore no Kanojo has an entire game as a preamble and no question asked that it is a nukige.|
|#17 by bobjr2000|
2023-01-19 at 05:21
|< report >#15 funny thing is I am one of people who kind of wishes was more specific tags for distinction with sexual content. Boku to koi was prime example of having 5 heroines who have 3-5 sex scenes in total which is not a lot of sex for high sexual content per route. Its a lot of content because has side heroines that add up all together. But in comparison to say most of Atelier Kaguya titles one heroine can have 10-15 or more sex scenes alone for one route not including harem or 3p on other routes, this is equivalence of 3 heroine routes or more for a game like Boku. So when one of these titles has high sexual content but takes several hours to get to one scene or another and done in 3-4 feels misleading to me at least.|
|#18 by bassttark|
2023-01-19 at 14:56
|< report >In my opinion you are confusing a discussion about genres and one about tags. There is no Nukige vs Moege classification because there is no Moege tag. Having an H-scene in the first minutes, or having a harem ending are not features of Nukiges, there are independent tags for that: Early Sexual Content and Harem Ending. Also, considering that Nukige is a child of High Sexual Content, I think that nukiges that do not have a *relatively high* amount of sexual content should not be tagged with Nukige.|
|#19 by pure-spirit|
2023-01-25 at 10:52
|< report >Euphoria is not nukige.|
|#20 by jimmyIV|
2023-01-29 at 08:06
|< report >@19, agreed. Its twisted, but its true plot has little to do with ero-scenes. Stuff like Nekopara is essentially nukige thoug I would say.|
|#21 by knifez|
2023-01-30 at 17:04
|< report >@20 Nekopara isn't even high sexual content what are you on about|
|#22 by kiru|
2023-02-02 at 08:42
|< report >The idea is just that if a nukige has something you could call a plot and is relevant for the enjoyment, then on vndb it's not a nukige, but has only the parent tag. |
It's.. still a nukige though, if we go by Japanese terms. Personally I think a separation makes sense, but I can understand the confusion.
There's definitely different styles out there though. There are those where you will never find anything but the adult content that is relevant, and then there are those that do tell a story of some sorts, that simply includes a lot of adult content.
Alice Soft is a good example of making games like the latter, while Appetite is one for the former.
In a way, what Alice Soft makes is what these kind of adult games wanted to be in the past, but as always you get some sort of evolution, and this "standard" kinda disappeared. So in the end we got adult games where you can cut out those scenes and you still have a functioning VN in your hands, and those that really don't care about the small things and are just quick adult content on demand. Alice Soft is one of the few companies that held on this old ideal, which seems to be not that popular anymore today. Astronauts is one of the few left that also still kinda tries.. I think.
In other words, the reason why vndb separates this is actually kinda lying in the past. It rarely applies today.Last modified on 2023-02-02 at 08:49
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