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#4051 by 707
2021-09-16 at 20:21
< report >Since Primal x Hearts: Kuragano Sera Love Love After is a bonus that comes with r32990 and no standalone version until now, I think it's better to delete r81928 and instead add the entry to r32990.

Edit: It didn't come with r32990 but r39301 this is getting me confused helpLast modified on 2021-09-16 at 20:26
#4052 by beliar
2021-09-16 at 20:24
< report >I agree. However, I'm curious about r44497. Is it another duplicate - someone added the bonus disc as a separate entry? Or is it something else?

Edit: Also, you probably meant r39301, not r32990?

Edit 2:
So BanG Dream! Girls Band Party! is qualified enough to stay?
I'll check it one of these days, unless someone decides to make my job easier and give me a tl;dr...Last modified on 2021-09-16 at 20:37
#4053 by 707
2021-09-16 at 20:28
< report >Yes, I didn't see the "primal2" in url. Help

r44497 is totally the same thing. Afaik, it's not a pre-order bonus. It comes with all first edition
#4054 by aresia
2021-09-17 at 04:48
< report >#4052 I'd say it's definitely a rhythm game, not a VN... But it does have extensive ADV segments you unlock by completing various objectives and milestones.
#4055 by historyeraser
2021-09-17 at 05:15
< report >Jannies plz delet BanG Dream! Girls Band Party! pl0x.Last modified on 2021-09-17 at 10:37
#4056 by aresia
2021-09-17 at 09:07
< report >It's no big deal either way, I don't think people play it for the story anyway...

On an unrelated note, we should probably start to seriously consider deleting some of Sol Press "planned" localization projects..
#4057 by beliar
2021-09-17 at 17:31
< report >I have a hard time finding a proper Let's Play for Bang Dream! Is there anything more to the game than link? I've also seen some story sequences on a different channel. They seem very short and completely lacking in narration.

I don't think the game can be called a VN, so... any objections to its removal?
#4058 by cubky
2021-09-17 at 17:34
< report >I played quite a bit of Bang Dream in the past. While there is story for each of the bands and for the in-game events, all are very short and I am not sure there is any narration. You very much spend most of the time playing the rhythm game part.

+1 to removal
#4059 by mutsuki
2021-09-17 at 23:49
< report >r82358 r80000
#4060 by historyeraser
2021-09-18 at 02:54
< report >Hieda Fumio is a dupe of Hieda Fumio
#4061 by giraty
2021-09-18 at 03:04
< report >#4057 link
#4062 by chipp12
2021-09-19 at 06:29
< report >r69009 should be deleted since the group was closed
#4063 by xiandora
2021-09-21 at 02:39
< report >Just thought I'd pitch in on the Katei Saien debate, as I've read/watched/played all their non-CG entries (or about to) from 2010 and onward.

Personally I'd say that at least some of them are qualified for entry, but especially the Kagikko L-only titles are imo. The fact that the "intended" method of consumption is created through HTML+MP4 rather than ("insert video rendering format and/or application enviroment for the program to run it") should be irrelevant.

I wouldn't argue if(/for any) releases that only has MP4 files, even if they present the content in the same way. If you'd exclude anything just because it uses HTML over an application for it's structural formatting I'd apply the same logic to every title that has a more movie-esque delivery format but in some form of application - and there's likely a pretty large amount of them here already. Heck, just recently I've played/read a lot of titles that would be up for scrutiny based on those standards - as they're low on some of the more "standard" VN features while mostly functioning as a movie run in an executable format.. and I didn't even check to see if all such titles were on here.
Some examples; Certain titles from Ekikon Kenkyuukai, Azunyan to Nyan Nyan!, Zenjidou Kyousei Nakadashi Room e Youkoso! -Sagarake Sanshimai no Tanoshii Sexlife-, Omatase! Instant ~Anata wa Dare o Meshiagaru?~ and to a lesser extent DS[Daemon Slave]04 Namaiki Akuma Shimai Kousoku Choukyou. Those are just cases I added to my list the past month or so.
Some of these are arguably up for scrutiny even if we don't apply those standards.

The reason that Katei Saien uses the structural format that they do is probably for two reasons - One is that (almost) all of their titles used Flash in the past, looking over them it seems that 'Dame! Zettai! 0' was the last title that was originally released in their old format, older titles have now either been converted to the new "HTML+MP4 Format" or come with a set of MP4 files along with the original flash version to allow the majority of customers to actually use the products - otherwise they wouldn't be up on DLsite anymore.

Two: The reason they use the HTML format in the first place is because (some of?) their Flash titles used a similar format - you had HTML as the "hub" instead of a program or SFW file, essentially using Flash over video files as a simple way of the limited interactivity there is; Pausing, small choices etc, with the HTML having scene selection and whatnot?

From what I gather, when they made the transition and started creating their new content in HTML+MP4 they instead moved those functionalities to the HTML portion instead - which creates the same end result as before (if they intend for it to do so).

Note: I haven't actually checked out the HTML versions yet, mostly because the only features I'd be interested in that I can't get from just watching the movies are extras - potential biographies of characters or other "fluff" features. The only reason I haven't used them is largely because I can't hook and translate the actual story itself - neither for the MP4 titles or the flash titles. Because of that fact - with the exception of Kagikko L-only (1) which has an English release - I unfortunately can only really enjoy most of their works strictly as H-content.. apart from the few titles where the heroine's narrative portion is large enough to give me some reasonable level of plot context. Based on what it seems like as well as based on Kagikko L-only there are likely more titles I'd be interested in the plot of - I enjoyed Kagikko L-only enough judged as a whole enough to give it a score of 7.2.


Personally I'd see judging HTML that harshly when it is used in the same way you'd set up a program for a VN as downright discrimination.. format discrimination? Anyway. On the other hand if someone used HTML as a hub for their movies but nothing more - no extra content, functionalities or images other than the ones for the hub page and movie selection page - if it has one - then that's a different story. I'd look at any executable done the same way with the same scrutiny - some of them are really only glorified video players.

TL;DR - HTML should be an affectable format if it's used as a proper format. Likewise other formats are just as unacceptable as a HTML format who does the same if they confer nothing to what is otherwise largely just a (slightly) narrated movie.
#4064 by butterflygrrl
2021-09-23 at 16:57
< report >r37593 Can it be safely assumed that this isn't happening?
#4065 by historyeraser
2021-09-27 at 07:53
< report >Akihara Shiho and Akihara Shiho are dupes of Akihara Shiho
#4066 by historyeraser
2021-09-29 at 10:38
< report >r659

basically no different from translated playthroughs and the like
#4067 by butterflygrrl
2021-09-29 at 14:58
< report >There actually is a distinct difference if it's a complete navigable translation that therefore allows the player to choose their path through the story rather than only sitting and watching someone else play. It's also specifically designed to be used in conjunction with a copy of the game.

Whether that's enough to count as a release I don't know and am not stating an opinion. Only weighing in on 'basically no different'.
#4068 by beliar
2021-09-29 at 15:14
< report >
r659

basically no different from translated playthroughs and the like
We do allow read-along translations. While it's not necessarily convenient, you can legitimately read a VN by opening it and the translation in separate windows. This is distinctly different from video translations, where you aren't even playing the game anymore.
#4069 by mutsuki
2021-09-29 at 18:27
< report >Melty Blood: Type Lumina nowhere near enough vn content to be considered a vn. single player is split between story mode which is just an arcade mode with very light story (very brief adv sections every few fights), and boss rush which i haven't seen but i think it's the same format as arcade mode (as in previous melty blood games) and so i highly doubt it will have enough vn to justify it being here.Last modified on 2021-09-29 at 18:42
#4070 by poudink
2021-09-29 at 19:23
< report >The Melty Blood series is currently listed as an exception in d15#3. The explanation for the exception relies on the fact that all games are listed as releases of the original though, which with Type Luminance is no longer true.
#4071 by mutsuki
2021-09-29 at 19:45
< report >this is the reboot so it doesn't count as a continuation of the old melty blood. it should be deleted. the only reason any releases apart from the original melty blood and re:act is on this site are because people would keep accidentally putting the rereleases lacking the vn story mode back in if we removed them (which i still think is a bad idea but whatever).Last modified on 2021-09-29 at 19:49
#4072 by beliar
2021-09-29 at 19:56
< report >It doesn't hurt to wait for the actual release, I think. That said, the game will most likely end up removed. The only VN is the very first release of the original Melty Blood, (and Re-Act by extension of being an expansion pack). Every other release was not a VN. It's unlikely that the reboot will include any sort of VN mode again.
#4073 by mutsuki
2021-09-29 at 20:39
< report >for what it's worth it is released. the release date is japanese time. it's been out and playable for a couple (5-6) hours now.Last modified on 2021-09-29 at 20:41
#4074 by historyeraser
2021-09-30 at 05:19
< report >Type Lumina definitely does not belong here.

Playlist of all story mode playthroughs: link
#4075 by foiegras
2021-10-03 at 09:52
< report >Some staff I added while they already existed in the db:
- Sara is a duplicate of Sara
- JunProject is a duplicate of JunProject