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#2951 by lunaterra
2019-10-28 at 22:04
There isn't going to be an 18+ version. The only reason there would be additional releases for the DLC is if new languages are added after release.

I used r56611 as precedent, although I realize the situations aren't quite the same (the Nekojishi DLC also adds new CGs to the base game alongside the added story).
#2952 by beliar
2019-10-28 at 22:56
Depends if the game is just an epilogue chapter of if it is going to be a legitimate full length visual novel.

I mean "full length" doesn't say much in case of "Highway Blossoms", as I'm pretty sure the base game is pretty shortish too, but in case the new "DLC" is about the same length, it's not "completely nuts" to keep it separate. It's not even an exception, as there are other games on VNDB, that require a different base game to launch and that have their own separate VN entries.

r56611, which Lunaterra quoted seems to be just an epilogue chapter with some additional CGs for the base game, which makes sense for it to be under the main entry. Regarding the "Next Exit" we don't know much about the game beyond the promo post, hence I'm in no hurry to merge the entries. I will personally wait until we have more info or the game is released, before I make the final decision.
#2953 by curious
2019-10-30 at 03:57
I can't find any status about these projects, they have a Trello but also dead. Must be removed? r55919 r55920 r55923 r58535 r55921 r55922 r60143Last modified on 2019-10-30 at 03:58
#2954 by fuukanou
2019-10-30 at 04:24
#2953, that group is blatantly second hand translating official releases. They're not going to do anything till the English version comes out, and even then the probability they will is pretty much zero (considering the ones they have done are all short games), but for some reason it's still allowed on the DB to call "dibs" on translations when there's zero proof you're gonna do it. Would be good to see a rule that you can only put a translation in if you've got a partial patch out, unless it's from a group/person who can be trusted to (i.e. has history with translations that long) actually follow through with it.
#2955 by curious
2019-10-30 at 05:03
#2954, yeah, I thought so. They're just... maybe setting aside projects? And yeah, a rule like that would be interesting, because there are a lot of eternal TBA, lol.

Idk, anyway, since they seem pretty dead, I posted here, just in case.
#2956 by eacil
2019-10-30 at 11:59
I cleaned Alei Translations and Sharin-Sub based on link link link and link for Sharin-Sub.
I also deleted r63097 as I find no source apart link saying he started translating some scenes? link link It was supposed to be released in 2019-04 according to whoever added it to vndb. Anyway, cleaning those capricious groups are a PITA so it's one thing less to remove later.

Fuukanou's rule wouldn't have prevented those two groups from creating those releases as they are "trustable". Just saying.Last modified on 2019-10-30 at 12:18
#2957 by fuukanou
2019-10-30 at 16:21
#2956, perhaps only post there is evidence they're actually doing the translation (i.e. partial patch, reliable in progress report with specific percentages etc.) then?

tbh I don't think they should put them in until the first patch is out but whatever. This site is a database, not a hopeful progress tracker.
#2958 by curious
2019-10-30 at 17:04
#2956, as I can see, Sharin has "paused indefinitely" every project in the first list and will finish the second sometime "soon". link
#2959 by trickzzter
2019-11-05 at 09:10
r67230 is dupe of r56177
#2960 by eacil
2019-11-05 at 11:08
I am waiting on u119232's answer because he seems to think you can buy Linear Bounded Phenogram separately, without Elite. r56177.15
It is the same with r61045. I don't see where you can buy it alone. You have either to buy Elite or the bundle (featuring... Elite). So, it shouldn't have a separate release.
#2961 by gundamace
2019-11-05 at 22:37
s19727 is a dupe of linkLast modified on 2019-11-05 at 22:38
#2962 by uvix
2019-11-07 at 01:42
I don't see where you can buy it alone. You have either to buy Elite or the bundle (featuring... Elite). So, it shouldn't have a separate release.
If a physical copy is separable into distinct games, is that enough to count?

(The retail release of Steins;Gate Elite on PS4 contains a disc with Steins;Gate Elite] and a download code for LBP, that could theoretically be (re)sold separately.)

I suspect the answer is "no" but wanted to throw that out there.Last modified on 2019-11-07 at 01:43
#2963 by eacil
2019-11-07 at 02:44
The answer is no, indeed. A release is indexing a product and can't be separated into its parts. However, a release can be separated into separate VN pages if the stories are distinct enough to be considered separate games and there is a merit to the operation (ex: Kaigen Seito; bad example would be stuff from Anthology).
#2964 by trickzzter
2019-11-09 at 13:46
#2960, in case of Steam version, it's just a digital bundle. There is nothing common between two games aside from the fact that buy them together. As any other digital bundle, it should not be counted as full fledged release.

These games use different store pages, different forums, you see them in your library as two separate entries. After purchase you'll never see them as a single item.Last modified on 2019-11-09 at 13:54
#2965 by eacil
2019-11-09 at 22:53
It's not a regular bundle: you can't buy this game separately, therefore, it's a different game (VN page) but not a different release (the product itself). "These games use different (vn) pages, different (vndb) forums, you see them in your (vn list) as two separate entries. After (you marked the release as obtained,) you'll never see them as a single (vn)."
Regular bundles are forbidden because they are selling separate releases together (with a discount). It's not the case here, they are using the bundle system to separate the game pages while unifying the purchase. Like for the regular bundles, it's a magic trick allowed by the digital nature of the items.

If you buy r66357, you will have a DVD for every game in the compilation and you can resell it or give it to your friend for him to showcase it on his shelf but I doubt you would campaign for every of those 14 games to have a separate release. It defeats the purpose of telling you what _product_ you are buying.
#2966 by trickzzter
2019-11-10 at 03:24
#2965 By merging two different games, you'll lose a lot of information. SGE is trilingual (English, Japanese, Chinese), LBP is bilingual (English, Japanese). SGE is fully animated, LBP is not.

By adding LBP to SGE release, you'll make it like you can buy Chinese version of LBP on Steam. Which is not true. It's a misinformation.Last modified on 2019-11-10 at 03:27
#2967 by eacil
2019-11-10 at 04:53
For the third time, I am not merging two different games. We are talking about their RELEASE, and this RELEASE includes two different GAMES. Did I merge Steins;Gate with Steins;Gate Senkei Kousoku no Phenogram? No.
STEINS;GATE: Linear Bounded Phenogram is available only with purchase of STEINS;GATE ELITE
From the LBP steam page itself.

However, you are making a fair point about the languages (I was focusing on the PS4 release which doesn't seem to include Chinese so I didn't see that problem)...
It's not the first time a compilation includes different parameters like developers or resolutions, and the answer was to not include those, but language is a different beast as I am not even sure you can create a release without a language. It's the limit of vndb model.
That release is not a compilation either, where you can look up the different data in their respective standalone releases. You can't dismiss the languages.

In this specific case, you can explain in the note field that LBP doesn't include Chinese but, yeah, the flags would appear regardless on LBP's VN page. I know what will happen if we do that.

The more elegant solution is to split the release in half as you wish, but call them both "STEINS;GATE ELITE + Linear Bounded Phenogram", distribute the parameters and of course link them together in the note field. At least, the title wouldn't misinform people into believing they can buy LBP alone even if they don't read the note. Also, it would prevent a new clusterfuck if they add Chinese to LBP with this current model of adding a new release for every new language.

For the PS4 release, though, there is no need for unless someone tells me they updated it.

Any other mod's opinion?Last modified on 2019-11-10 at 05:08
#2968 by chipp12
2019-11-10 at 08:59
Shutou Raita Naitou Miyu
Same person according to his own tweet.
#2969 by shinnew
2019-11-10 at 09:34
I think it's fine to keep the releases separate. We have a few cases of products that can't be obtained separately but where it's more practical to have different releases with a link in the notes.

Thinking of these releases that included a trial for a different game:

r10417 r12511 / r6096 r7616 / r51285 r52866
#2970 by beliar
2019-11-10 at 12:45
I, on the other hand, distinctly remember seeing quite a few releases that contained a few games with different language options. In such cases the note field was used to clarify which game had what languages.

I currently don't remember the games, but I'm sure there is a precedent for such a situation. Hence we could only leave a single release with a note that "Chinese language option is only available for SGE".

On the other hand, I don't feel strongly about this matter, so if other people think that separating the games into their own releases is the better solution, I won't contest that.
#2971 by skorpiondeath
2019-11-10 at 12:58
About keeping releases separate I would like to know what to do with this case:
- W Akuma no H na Omotenashi ~Anata no Milk Watashitachi ni Choudai~ has been released years later with voice acting and 2 more heroines. The "enhanced" release shares more than 70% of the cg of the previous game but got a separate "standalone" VN entry W Akuma no H na Omotenashi R ~Motto Anata no Milk Watashitachi ni Choudai~.
- at the same time the same situation was handled differently in Honban Ari! Hitozuma Delivery ~Dokoka de Mita Bijin Tsuma-tachi o Hitorijime~. In fact the "enhanced" edition with more content and voice acting was added as a release instead of a standalone entry.

I would like to treat those 2 cases in the same way. Any suggestions?
PS: it would be nice at least to have the possibility to add covers to release in such casesLast modified on 2019-11-10 at 12:59
#2972 by beliar
2019-11-10 at 13:20
PS: it would be nice at least to have the possibility to add covers to release in such cases
I reminded Yorhel of that and it's on his list of "to do".

Frankly, we would open an unwelcome can of worms by splitting the releases that add new heroines into separate VN entries. The relationship graphs will become confusing and it will become difficult to see all the releases and compare them if you have to search through multiple VN entries.

As far as I'm concerned, 70% similarity definitely doesn't justify a split, unless there is something else going on (for example: unless the two existing routes have been rewritten, while keeping the CGs). So, I say the games should be merged to be consistent with your second example.
#2973 by skorpiondeath
2019-11-10 at 13:23
I agree with you beliar. I will just move it to a relase entry then. Thank you.
#2974 by skorpiondeath
2019-11-10 at 13:40
Ok release entries done. Before deletion is it possible to salvage votes on W Akuma no H na Omotenashi R ~Motto Anata no Milk Watashitachi ni Choudai~ and move them to W Akuma no H na Omotenashi ~Anata no Milk Watashitachi ni Choudai~?
#2975 by jazz957
2019-11-10 at 20:33
Please delete link, it's unnecessary as they never released anything under that name.


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