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#3026 by xelivous
2020-01-09 at 02:21
Is there a reason why VNs that may or may not ever come out get deleted from the database? From an historical standpoint, and from this being a database standpoint, being able to reference and link to projects that "could've been but weren't" is valuable if only for new people in the community to be able to look them up if they're mentioned at all. Otherwise they'll likely have to resort to japanese-only resources to look them up.

If the problem is that they may or may not "clutter up the database" then having a separate "cancelled" special date instead of "TBA" would be preferred, or even a checkbox in the profile to hide cancelled works globally.

I just don't particularly see the value in deleting something that isn't an obvious duplicate or troll.

May as well just go and delete Tsukihime while you're at it
#3027 by warfoki
2020-01-09 at 02:46
This is a Visual Novel Database, not a Visual Novel Ideas That Will Probably Never Get Realized Database.

We don't list them for the same reason we don't list your run of the mill RPGMaker hentai games either: they don't belong.

Tsukihime stays for multiple reasons:

- we have proof that it is in the works
- it's a remake of an already existing title
- it's done by one of the biggest VN studios in the world, not some random indie who may or may not disappear from the face of Earth next week

It's here, because it will most likely be released. Projects where the site is dead, the studio is gone and no official update came out for years are on the other hand very likely, dare I say, sure to be NOT released. And since we catalog Vns that exists, we won't keep them featured.Last modified on 2020-01-09 at 02:47
#3028 by eacil
2020-01-09 at 02:59
Tsukihime is a bad example because it had a recent update but the VN Beliar deleted were legit too. In fact, since he had the ballz of deleting them, I am tempted to delete Mushoku no Ulthar ~End Of The Shining World~ and Hisei no Vulthoom -What a Beautiful Starlight- just so my heart stop bleeding each time I stumble against them.
I would agree with Xelivous as I think some "legit" "ideas" were remarkable and worth documenting (I don't see the parallel with RPG Maker games as cancelled VN are still VN and this is a VN DB) but 95% of the Cancelled status would be used for patreon/3D/KS western shit and building a curated list of cancelled projects would be against the spirit of an objective database. Maybe if we restrict it to non doujin projects? That would wipe the two aforementioned vaporwares, though.
#3029 by harleyquin
2020-01-09 at 17:00
Undead Lily

Following on from post #3207, does this qualify as vaporware for immediate deletion? Entry was created in 2016.
#3030 by beliar
2020-01-09 at 17:25
Regarding vaporware: There have already been previous discussions regarding cancelled games, where some users expressed that maybe we should catalogue cancelled games in some way too. There are some serious problems with that, though.

First of all, what should we even catalogue? If we kept every game that at one point or another had a potential to be developed, soon we'll be neck deep in entries where some no name nobody says "i want to criete vizlual novels wihith such and such plot, butt has no skillz or teem, butt herez an ideea, so pleez add it to teh DB". We could only catalogue non-doujin works, like Eacil said, but that seems biased and unfair, and would go contrary toward the idea of VNDB being a comprehensive database. We could catalogue only cancelled works from established developers, but that once again feels unfair and not comprehensive anough. Moreover, would we catalogue only the standalone works? What about patches? Should be catalogue cancelled efforts in that field too? I imagine there would be divisive opinions on the matter.

Secondly, cancelled works simply have no value. No, I do not agree that there are any ""legit" "ideas" remarkable and worth documenting" in cancelled works. VNDB is a database that contains information. On the most minuscule level, digital information is ones and zeroes. So, what is the lack of information? Simply, a void. And it is not a database's function to give a piece of itself to the void. What is a value in a pretty cover and a few names, that have probably never worked a single day on the title in question, attached to it? None, nada, zip. Wheather an established producer or a newbie doujin artist, they are both equal if they have nothing to show in their empty hands.

Therefore, I don't think there is any inherent problem with removing a title that has shown no signs of life for a very long time. The entry can always be resuscitated in case it shows some brain activity. Otherwise it would be something like having a bookshelf, but leaving empty spaces, because there are theoretically books that would fit well into these spaces.

Anyway, regarding Undead Lily, I'll have to check the Winter Wolves forums. If the author has no immediate plans to revive the project, it might as well be deleted.

Edit: Funny you would mention "Undead Lily", as it has apparently just been revived under a new title and is the main project the dev is currently working on...Last modified on 2020-01-09 at 17:35
#3031 by shining17
2020-01-10 at 20:01
r58750.8

Deletion request.
#3032 by flowersesp
2020-01-12 at 00:42
r58565

Deletion request, please. Project cancelled.
#3033 by saeryen
2020-01-14 at 18:35
r68933

So I made this...then it messed up a lot of the release order for Solmare's stuff due to being made before some of the games...

If it's necessary to keep that's fine, but if not I think it should be deleted just for game order consistency...
#3034 by beliar
2020-01-14 at 19:07
As I can see, "Story Jar" is basically a program/platform that delivers various visual novels through it. The program itself is free, but you can but various Vns through it. If I'm not wrong, that's basically what Pixelberry Studios are doing with their "Choices" app. Note, that every game under that publisher is actually a part of "Choices" app. Therefore I don't think we should have the program itself as a release - that just doesn't seem right, though we should probably have notes under the relevant games that they were released in such way.

Anyway, I'll remove "Story Jar', but what about r68932? Isn't it basically the same? A platform to deliver otome games?Last modified on 2020-01-14 at 19:08
#3035 by saeryen
2020-01-14 at 20:45
#3034 Yeah, I guess delete that too
#3036 by augustino
2020-01-15 at 01:22
Utawarerumono Lost Flag Utawarerumono Lost Flag
Some gacha game with non-canon elements, not a vn at all
#3037 by pillostorm
2020-01-17 at 04:10
Please delete everything by troll account u168889Last modified on 2020-01-17 at 04:10
#3038 by bishounenp
2020-01-17 at 04:22
Super Marine World Neneko is 9 Years Old Super Misogi World all submitted by u168889 are fake and need to be removed
#3039 by warfoki
2020-01-17 at 04:44
Another one here: Neneko is 9 Years Old
#3040 by harleyquin
2020-01-18 at 15:05
black souls

JRPG. Not a VN.
#3041 by ginseigou
2020-01-19 at 05:03
r43206 r44839 r43204 pretty sure these entries are dead.
#3042 by myougaunzen
2020-01-19 at 06:37
@3036

Utawarerumono Lost Frag about this for some context for whoever makes the decision. the vn part of this is almost completely separate to the gameplay (and doesnt even cost ap to read the story). sure it requires you to complete missions to unlock chapters which might suck for someone who only downloaded it to read the story. but when it is unlocked the story (vn part) does actually clear all requirements listed here for a vn. wouldnt even count as a hybrid because out of the ~75 scenario parts released so far there are only like 4 battle parts, all of which only take less than 10 seconds and are also unfailable.

so basically its nothing different to a vn with an episodically release schedule in terms of categorization.

edit: also non-canon elements doesn't actually mean anything. that applys to almost all fandisksLast modified on 2020-01-19 at 06:39
#3043 by ginseigou
2020-01-19 at 07:06
r44428 more than 10 years since the release of the trial and this game's page on the site doesn't exist anymore.Last modified on 2020-01-19 at 07:07
#3044 by kumiko1
2020-01-20 at 11:56
Yokohama Motomachi is an alias of SCA-Ji, source link
#3045 by eacil
2020-01-20 at 14:16
@ginseigou, Otome Function was transferred to Mu Soft link.
There is an update from 2019-01 on their blog > link.

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