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#4301 by beliar
2021-11-14 at 18:29
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Faraway Dawn is less game play focused than Danganronpa 🗿 lol
Blatant lies: link
#4302 by historyeraser
2021-11-14 at 18:40
< report >Also Beliar, check out what I said prior at link. It seemed to get buried by you-know-what.
#4303 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 18:43
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Not lies lol

Also you claimed that this was a slippery slope. Using all of the logic you have presented today:

Fate/Stay Night is a collection of 3 separate VN stories, as they were released on their own and but also compiled into a single game.

I propose that we split each game into their own story if you want to keep consistency.
Fate/Stay Night Fate route
Fate/Stay Night Unlimited route
Fate/Stay Night Heaven's Feel routeLast modified on 2021-11-14 at 19:03
#4304 by beliar
2021-11-14 at 18:47
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as they were originally released on their own and eventually compiled into a single game
Wut...?
#4305 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 18:49
< report >Fate/Stay Night is 3 separate games

Fate route has been sold as a separate game

(even if I brainfarted and got the release order backwards)
#4306 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 18:50
< report >Higurashi is now also sold as 8 separate games

So now those have to be split up too with this logic today. Because the original game needs to be considered a collection now.
#4307 by gambs
2021-11-14 at 18:51
< report >The people arguing against this Muv Luv split have no idea what the difference between a VN and a release is. I think they can safely be ignored
#4308 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 18:55
< report >Gambs hasn't played any of these so I would personally ignore their commentary on this tbhLast modified on 2021-11-14 at 19:09
#4309 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 18:58
< report >If we can't split Higurashi, then now TDA 00-03 has to be considered a single game with separate releases. Because by their logic, Higurashi is a split-released VN. Which funny enough, so is Chronicles. So is TDA, a linear story.

The Day After is a release of singular episodes that had stagnated releases.Last modified on 2021-11-14 at 19:00
#4310 by Aresia
2021-11-14 at 19:10
< report >This is getting stupid, let's just stop.
#4311 by beliar
2021-11-14 at 19:10
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If we can't split Higurashi, then now TDA 00-03 has to be considered a single game with separate releases.
I actually agree with you here, however it's physically impossible to set the releases like that, as you cannot make a certain release be partial for one Vn and a complete one for another.

Hence, if we make TDA as a single VN, the releases would have to be partials, but at the same time Chicken Divers and Rain Dancers cannot have the same releases as complete, which they should be. In a situation like this, it's better to make a compromise and treat TDA 00-03 as separate VNs.
#4312 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 19:14
< report >Chicken Divers and Rain Dancers aren't a linear story, like TDA 00-03 are. They're unconnected short stories.
#4313 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 19:19
< report >I do think we should be cutting down on the amount of things that have to be rated. And not continuously adding more entries just to help me Stat pad my VN resume.
#4314 by beliar
2021-11-14 at 19:20
< report >You misunderstood what I said. Read it again. It's impossible to set Chronicles 01 to be partial and complete at the same time respective to the different Vn entries. That's why we must compromise.
#4315 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 19:25
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Which is why I'm saying we should compromise in reverse. For Muv-Luv fans who have actually read these, especially the English fans, it's super easy and simple to just rate the games we've played (I'd honestly prefer TDA to be a single game).
Muv-Luv
Muv-Luv Alternative
Photonflowers
Photonmelodies
TDA
Total Eclipse
I personally feel this is the simplest and most convenient experience for fans of the series in all honesty. But many Japanese fans haven't played these versions. But still, Rating 6 in comparison to 20ish, especially when I can easily write a comprehensive review when they're not all split up and messy, just makes it convenient in a ton of ways.Last modified on 2021-11-14 at 19:26
#4316 by sharingan123412
2021-11-14 at 20:09
< report >I don't understand what the problem was with the previous system. Chronicles and TDA are different games. But if you would have to combine them on the basis that TDA is included with Chronicles and that you don't want repeat entries, then it'd be best to put them all under TDA's pages.

However, TDA was never compiled into 1 release (not counting the age 20th anniversary box) in the same way that Higurashi's Questions and Answers arcs were. Thus, you couldn't put all of TDA into 1 page either (even if that would be more fitting for it).


If you need to get rid of one of TDA and Chronicles, get rid of Chronicles and put it under each of the TDA pages. Though I'd still think that there should ideally be all 8 of the pages between the two as there were before. If a compromise is needed, put 4 pages with 1 for each of the TDA entries.
#4317 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 20:42
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As an ultimatum I'm more inclined to agree with this. Though as you said, we all wish they would just officially combine all of TDA lol

When it comes down to it, this is a ratings site for English speakers (the chat box when I type confirms that).Last modified on 2021-11-14 at 20:59
#4318 by beliar
2021-11-14 at 20:58
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Though as you said, we all wish they would just officially combine all of TDA
I have asked Yorhel to look into a technical possibility to do that. Mayhap your wish will come true.
#4319 by insayn
2021-11-14 at 21:02
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The physical combination of these games would be a literal blessing lol. Need them to market it this way honestly. It's stressful that they don't because the split steam version turns some people away because it makes Muv luv look bigger and harder to get into than it actually is, when in reality we only have 5 games on Steam.
#4320 by slashslayer
2021-11-14 at 21:44
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There is even a fucking precedent: Fata Morgana no Yakata: Gendai-hen. It was split of from the other Fata Morgana releases, despite never having an individual release itself. It just makes it more convenient to vote on what is essentially a separate story.
i was just thinking about that while reading this discussion. i'm glad it was restored
#4321 by Mutsuki
2021-11-14 at 22:32
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#4322 by 4digitmen
2021-11-15 at 00:02
< report >I'm still just wondering why you can't split the Higurashi and Umineko entries, everything I'm reading here seems to support that you can do it and have no reason not to.

Though I guess it's probably just another "delegated" issue where every moderator has a "it's not my issue - let someone else deal with that" stance towards it because the problem is a "tight" one and the franchise is popular enough where it would result in massive backlash thus why they are being kept in a cozy place which makes it inconsistent (because you are humans and are trying...).
#4323 by historyeraser
2021-11-15 at 00:10
< report >Higurashi episodes are telling a singular story. It's as simple as that.
#4324 by 4digitmen
2021-11-15 at 00:16
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At the risk of sounding uninformed, does 9-nine not tell a singular story yet it's split into multiple entries for each episode?

I'd also want to know how Higurashi no Naku Koro ni: Console Arcs factors into this.Last modified on 2021-11-15 at 00:16
#4325 by historyeraser
2021-11-15 at 00:58
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At the risk of sounding uninformed, does 9-nine not tell a singular story yet it's split into multiple entries for each episode?
t8242.763

I'd also want to know how Higurashi no Naku Koro ni: Console Arcs factors into this.
Read t16231 and t16056.4