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#4351 by desmondkun
2021-11-15 at 17:43
< report >#4350

You think I don't know that they are released in parts?? The point is that they are releases big enough to be rated seperately due to the nature of the content in them
#4352 by desmondkun
2021-11-15 at 18:12
< report >Well great. It seems y'all will do whatever the fuck you want from now on. Congratulations then, you just made it a mess for yourself. Fuck it all
#4353 by desmondkun
2021-11-15 at 19:02
< report >Also, Now my database is all messed up and left with dead pages. Absolutely great
#4354 by beliar
2021-11-15 at 19:28
< report >The only contentious page left is Photoflowers, but I'm gonna leave that one for Ileca to take care of. After all, what else would he do? :-P

There were two more titles Cryska 1 and 2 mentioned in this thread previously, so if they do qualify as VNs, someone should go and create entries for them. I think the following characters are from one of those titles: Drozd, Oryol.
#4355 by insayn
2021-11-15 at 19:50
< report >They are VNs. And Cryska EX is the 3rd. There's 3 of em iirc.
#4356 by Ileca
2021-11-15 at 21:37
< report >I copy pasted Photoflowers and found nothing. For a second, I thought you had deleted everything...

Is Muv-Luv Duelist a visual novel? Aecheritt said it is one but I have my doubts. It's a card game packed with h-scenes. It has a story mode that serves as a tutorial and a free battle mode. link link
Will depends on the 50:50 rule.
If it's not a visual novel, I am not forced to split Muv-Luv Supplement. If it is one, I am forced to do it.

For the moment, I will treat it as not a VN and not split.
#4357 by beliar
2021-11-15 at 21:46
< report >Eh, Photoflowers actually makes more sense than Photonflowers ;-)

From that short clip Duelist does not look like a VN, but of course it's hard to judge based on a 12 minute video.
#4358 by Ileca
2021-11-15 at 22:16
< report >It's your job to download that kind of crap to check if it's a VN or not. You are the VN assessman here.

In the meantime. DONE.
I prefixed the various side stories with "Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles:" to match the others.

I took screenshots of the relation graph before we decluttured. It looked like this. It was absolutely unreadable.
Now, it's almost readable. Some relations can probably be cut. Like does Muv-Luv Unlimited: The Day After need ML AND MLA relations? Kimi ga Ita Kisetsu has many relations too. I wonder if all are needed.
#4359 by beliar
2021-11-15 at 22:20
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You are the VN assessman here.
I would rather be a VN assman...

Like does Muv-Luv Unlimited: The Day After need ML AND MLA relations?
I think not. It's a continuation to ML Unlimited, following that timeline. I think it should be marked as a sequel to Muv Luv. Or maybe a side story, if it's not a direct sequel, but I don't think it also needs to be linked to MLA.
#4360 by soddery
2021-11-15 at 22:22
< report >Should Ayu Mayu Alternative be listed as part of Photonflowers when there are now pages for Atonement and Succession/Inheritence? Those two are in Photonflowers, but Ayu Mayu is not even though the three were previously bundled together.
#4361 by Ileca
2021-11-15 at 22:23
< report >Ah, sorry, my mistake.
#4362 by Ileca
2021-11-15 at 22:45
< report >I added Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles: Kokuhaku to r68322 but I am not so sure. It includes Kimi ga Ita Kisetsu but Kokuhaku was released as an independent download. It begs the question if they made it available to the owners of that box.

If someone is bored, the Gold and Platinum editions are missing. link

Now, the enjoyable part: linking staff and characters to their rightful entries. One benefits of separating stories like that is that those sections will be able to breathe.

Here are some pages listing the characters:
Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles: Rain Dancers > link
Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles: Chicken Divers > link
Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles: Shokuzai > link
Muv-Luv Alternative Chronicles: Keishou > link
#4363 by NaioHoras
2021-11-15 at 23:16
< report >my eyes feel blessed looking at the new relation graph. I think I will give you some pats on the back for that.

so the problem was the messy release of Muv-luv series themselves, rather than how VN relation work. that is enlightening. although I do feel like it needs a bit of reworking but...
#4364 by soddery
2021-11-15 at 23:38
< report >Should aNCHOR be listed as the publisher for KimiNozo and Total Eclipse? And should the English release of Resonative be added?
#4365 by falseshepherd
2021-11-16 at 00:05
< report >Why is VNDB completing fucking destroying the Muv-Luv entries? and turning them into a huge mess?Last modified on 2021-11-16 at 00:06
#4366 by falseshepherd
2021-11-16 at 00:07
< report >am i gonna have to re-add a lot of shit and fix this mess? honestly what the hell is going on?
#4367 by Ileca
2021-11-16 at 00:16
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I do feel like it needs a bit of reworking but...
The MLA graph is perfect now. Plenty of redundant relations linking both ML and MLA.

And should the English release of Resonative be added?
Only if you have an official source.
#4368 by falseshepherd
2021-11-16 at 00:24
< report >Why can't the VNDB mods see that these changes aren't wanted or popular.
#4369 by soddery
2021-11-16 at 00:30
< report >link
They say Resonative will launch around the same time as the Japanese version around the 1:13:32 mark.
#4370 by aecheritt
2021-11-16 at 01:12
< report >I read Duelist and it's a VN with gameplay elements, but if you need to ask maybe you aren't the person who should make the changes 🤔
#4371 by myougaunzen
2021-11-16 at 02:20
< report >@4345
> Originally, the series was supposed to move onto Meakashi (and thus Answer Arcs) after Tatarigoroshi.

yes that is correct, although you misunderstood what i meant, i guess i just suck at explaining.

when i said 1-4, i meant that as the question arcs, it ended up being 1-4 but if it didnt have himatsubushi and was 1-3 it still would have been a complete question arcs which was my point.

i meant planned from a production point of view, not a scenario point of view. it was planned to be partial releases of chapters leading up to a complete release which is the question arcs.
yes ryuukishi never seems to plan the actual content as much as other writers might. he seems to like planning the stucture iteslf with the content itself being planned much more loosely.

just as in the first ps2 console release has 盥回し編 and 憑落し編, they were new arcs as part of question arcs so 6 parts in that one but its still the question arcs.
at least one of those was only supervised by ryuukishi but console added content being by a different writer isnt exactly new
it also had 8 (祭囃し編) removed and a new replacement ending arc (澪尽し編) instead making its answer arcs including 3 out of the original 4 but still having 4 arcs making a complete answer arcs.
the content in 祭囃し編 makes it not suprising they didn't want to use it in the comercial console release.
i read the switch version and if 澪尽し is what i remember it is just a different version of 祭囃し編, 祭囃し is important but imo 澪尽し does the same thing much better.

someone mentioned ealier that for example Shuffle!, r52 , r2818 , and r5569 are all different vns, but no. extra routes, expanded routes, even rewritten endings don't qualify as enough for a new entry most of the time.
there are hundreds of vns that have a console version add new heroines/routes. its less common now but its just what was done for like between 2005-2015 (guess)

information like extra routes is added as information in the release. on egs releases all have different pages and you can vote for whatever release you want but its never been done like that on vndb.
honestly its much better as vndb does it because you choose a vn, choose the release you want to read and do that.

what does qualify as a new vn page is significant rewritten/different text than what already existed in original/other release, like Dies irae Also sprach Zarathustra , Ever17 , and Chaos;Head Noah

new text for new routes, or added scenes in commone route for new characters don't usually count for this. they sometimes can if it is a large enough amount but even then often needs another reason as well.

new content from a release besides new routes can sometimes qualify as a new entry, if in a seperate disk/program it definately counts. Shuffle! Essence+ Tokuten Disk and Evenicle 2 Rance for example.

epilogues/side storys with no original release can apparently count if they are new content accessed from the menu rather that as a expanded route/ending. an example mentioned ealier being Fata Morgana no Yakata: Gendai-hen as well as i assume Narcissu: Himeko's Epilogue is similar
this type may be an exception though, so anyone wanting to add one should probly make a discussion first so they dont waste time if it didnt count.

keep in mind that these are usually added completely because someone cares enough to add them. although they should definately be added as at least information in the release because its useful information.

for example here are some which would qualify but aren't currently added. if someone particuarlly wanted to be able to vote on them im sure it would be allowed.
r10317 and the omake in r6391 . both are seperate from main game with their own exes.
and the drama cds converted into vn format in r40631 . i dont remember all of them, but one of them is coincidently exactly what the description for Fata Morgana no Yakata: Gendai-hen is.
at the moment these examples dont have their own vn entry which is fine since the releases do contain the information but point is they could count if someone wants them to.

back to higurashi since i got sidetracked
the switch of higurashi version does warp the order of presentation of the parts a bit but thats needed because it includes literally everything, which is part of the reason why console arcs got their own entry. their combined length is larger than either the question or answer arcs, possibly even larger than both combined.
i never actually cared if console arcs got its own entry or not, missed it happening entirely and only saw its entry last month, and still havent added it to my list yet even though ive read them. But as far as i can see the reasoning given is good enough for an exception.Last modified on 2021-11-16 at 02:21
#4372 by myougaunzen
2021-11-16 at 02:30
< report >anyway sorry for the long posts off topic to the deletion thread.
hopefully thats all done now, took extra care that i wouldnt be misunderstood this time.
意見違いはともかく

the actual muvluv issue seems to be done and seeing the results they turned out better than i expected, so good job Ileca and beliar.
#4373 by 4digitmen
2021-11-16 at 04:14
< report >#4371

Yeah I see what you mean, thanks for the explanation

#4358
> Kimi ga Ita Kisetsu has many relations too. I wonder if all are needed.
Yes, they are, there's crossover between all 3 titles. The remake added Muv-Luv characters into the mix so the whole thing kind of became a mess, with Muv-Luv now having to be a part of the relations chart and all. I don't think there's a whole lot you can do here.
I do think it's a bit strange that MLA doesn't have "shares characters" relations with either Kimiita version or Kiminozo, but for canonicity reasons, it makes sense (or it really is just because the original game already has those relations).

Edit: Oh, yeah, you could probably remove that Age Maniax relation from the remake given that Age Maniax technically doesn't use the characters from the remake but from the original game.Last modified on 2021-11-16 at 04:21
#4374 by hansfranz77
2021-11-16 at 07:25
< report >So.. shouldn't the release search still find the entries themselves, because if i do that on my end it looks like this. link

Was that the intention, because i can not really imagine it was? It looks like most entries are just missing and are unfindable now. Is this still being worked on?

If i search for vns themselves it looks like that, btw: link

Something is not right there.Last modified on 2021-11-16 at 07:28
#4375 by historyeraser
2021-11-16 at 07:27
< report >You got that result because there isn't a "-" between Muv and Luv. Putting it in as "Muv-Luv" gets you all the entries in the series.