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#4376 by Yorhel
2021-11-16 at 07:29
< report >Maybe explain what you expected that search query to return? Because it looks correct to me.
(And ignore historyeraser, the search isn't that picky :P)Last modified on 2021-11-16 at 07:30
#4377 by hansfranz77
2021-11-16 at 07:29
< report >Let me check that. :O

Doesn't seem to change a thing for me, no. But you seem to suggest it's the filter configuration, right?
I try to reset it and try it again.Last modified on 2021-11-16 at 07:32
#4378 by cubky
2021-11-16 at 07:32
< report >You are filtering for English not-yet-released releases. Makes sense you only find 3
#4379 by hansfranz77
2021-11-16 at 07:34
< report >Oh yeah, i did that because of the new releases list. And forgot to change it back. Never mind me -.-
#4380 by Jobforabrokeboi
2021-11-17 at 08:07
< report >link can hardly be called a visual novel. I've just about finished it and barely had more than 10 clicks of dialogue per events. It's standard fare DLsite hrpg.
Edit: Damn bruh, this site got an unhealthy obsession with Muv Luv, everywhere I look it's muff luv all day everyday -.-Last modified on 2021-11-18 at 17:39
#4381 by sharingan123412
2021-11-18 at 01:26
< report >I apologize for bringing up the Muv-Luv entries' discussion again but I believe something must be said sooner rather than later.

I don't believe all the ministories of the Muv-Luv Chronicles entries need to be their own pages. They're not even their own VNs (at the very least, *most* of them weren't ever sold standalone at any point). I would suggest that these be combined into the pages for Photonflowers and Photonmelodies as they were before. Not only is having them set out the way they are now counterintuitive but also not particularly useful or convenient to users themselves. It would be of far greater convenience to just have Photonflowers and Photonmelodies as there were before.

Once again, I apologize for bringing up the subject.
#4382 by soddery
2021-11-18 at 02:01
< report >I think it is fine the ministories are their own pages, but the photons probably should be their own entries as alternative versions of chronicles.
#4383 by insayn
2021-11-18 at 15:19
< report >I just realized an issue.

TDA as a whole only has the score distribution of TDA00 which is the shortest (4 hours) and also technically the worst of the TDA entries.

Is there a way to use the ratings/scoring from TDA03 or somehow fairly distribute the scores from the compilation of the previous games? It should overall be sitting between an 8-9/10 in VNDB averaging for overall TDA00-03, but for TDA00 it's common to throw that around a 7+ individually so it skews the scores.
TDA03 score distribution is very clear in my opinion.

TDA03:
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#4384 by Substance21
2021-11-18 at 15:32
< report >Right. Since all the episodes of Muv-Luv Unlimited: The Day After were combined into one entry, the scores for Muv-Luv Unlimited: The Day After should be either refreshed or an entirely new page should be made for it with this one deleted. Since the episodes 01-03 were deleted and 00's page was modified to represent all of The Day After, the scores represent Episode 00, not the entirety of TDA.

I am not sure why all the episodes weren't just deleted and an entirely new page was made for all of The Day After? Either way the scores are inconsistent with what the page represents now and needs to fixed.Last modified on 2021-11-18 at 15:39
#4385 by beliar
2021-11-18 at 16:16
< report >It's not that rare that entries on vndb are either split or merged - it's just that this usually happens with less known franchises. Each time that happens the votes get a bit out of whack, but it's simply expected that if people really care, they will update their rating to match the new entry.

In this case, non-duplicate votes from the deleted entries were transferred to the main TDA entry. Other than that we cannot do much. Using the votes from one of the other entries as the main ones wouldn't make this any less unfair, imho. Not sure if there is a possibility to average the duplicate votes. Might be a question to ask Yorhel.
#4386 by Substance21
2021-11-18 at 17:46
< report >Doubt the votes were merged since it's about identical to the previous score and stats of Episode 00/Chronicles Volume 1.

You don't have to use other entry as a representative. Just create fresh new page for it and delete this one. As you said, concerned users will score it again. This will be fair to the entry. It was done recently when new pages were created for each TDA episode. Why not now.

In addition it's actually merged into Chronicles 00?? Chronicles has some content pure The Day After doesn't. A new page should be made for The Day After.Last modified on 2021-11-18 at 18:02
#4387 by insayn
2021-11-18 at 18:02
< report >I would definitely prefer a fresh start for scores than a badly skewed set of scores tbh
#4388 by desmondkun
2021-11-18 at 18:07
< report >I personally think averaging the rating of all previously seperated TDA entries should be he way to go
#4389 by falseshepherd
2021-11-18 at 18:48
< report >Yeah honestly. If you're going to combine all of TDA into one page, that's fine. but you should've made a completely original entry so the scores wouldn't be misrepresentative. all those people that scored the entry that was Chronicles 01 at the time gave it the scores they did based on Chronicles 01. so it's not a rating that actually represents people's opinions on TDA as a whole.

Either the entry i created for TDA 03 should've been used as the basis for a full TDA page, or an entirely original entry should've been created.
#4390 by insayn
2021-11-18 at 20:04
< report >Yeah. I even think that Averaging might be misrepresentative because peoples opinions on TDA as a whole change after 03 for example.
Would it be possible to start at a blank slate?
#4391 by cubky
2021-11-18 at 21:01
< report >While working on populating characters for Ikusa Megami 2 I noticed that a lot of the main/side characters shared between Verita, Zero and/or Genrin have separate instances seemingly created just for the sake of having different art (eg. Rita).
Is this correct use of character instances, or should the characters be deduplicated? The only mention of different art I found in d12#2.1 was in relation to use by different developers, but that is not the case here.
#4392 by onorub
2021-11-18 at 21:17
< report >#4391 Only when the art is so different it leads to distinct appearance traits.
#4393 by Altarius
2021-11-19 at 01:19
< report >#4391
There is a span of 4 years between events of Genrin no Kishougun and Genrin no Kishougun 2 ~Michibikareshi Tamashii no Keifu~. Some chars had changed drastically, i.e. Irina Marcillen and Peterene Sera, so their separate instances are needed. Other instances should be appropriately merged (and some of them are already in that state) between these two games.
As for IM0, all instances, except Celica and Abiluse of course, also should be merged with their Verita's counterparts.
About merging instances from Genrins and Verita. Marion, Chiki Indis and some others may be merged. I feel like they should be, but it is still questionable for me.

Forgive me for my straight question, but have you actually read IM2?Last modified on 2021-11-19 at 01:21
#4394 by cubky
2021-11-19 at 06:35
< report >#4393 Definitely not saying all of them should be merged, and I have yet to play Genrin 1 and 2 so I would not know it makes sense for those instances anyway. Just wanted to ask for help regarding the guidelines to make sure I am not complaining about something that is actually expected, as well as to see if it is something I should be doing for IM2.
For Zero and Verita, continuing into IM/IM Memoria and IM2, there is a span of hundreds of years between those games so some characters change drastically over the time (eg. Abiluse) so it makes sense to keep their instances. On the other hand many characters are so long lived or have specific circumstances like Rita so they do not change at all. Feels weird to have specific instances for those, unless there are some major spoilers involved I guess.

As for your straight question - I am in the process of reading it right now, which is why I told myself I might as well work on the empty character section of the game while playing it.Last modified on 2021-11-19 at 06:46
#4395 by Altarius
2021-11-19 at 07:40
< report >#4394
Of course, a span between beginnings of Zero and Verita is almost 500 years, but all these chars have immortality or some sort of it. So there is no need for majins like Haishera or Amdusias to have two instances. And as for Genrin2/Verita, there is no span at all, because Verita starts at the point where Genrin2 ended.

I took a pause in the middle of Verita, and still is planning to reread LaDea so I am a little jealous about you reading IM2.Last modified on 2021-11-19 at 08:56
#4396 by desmondkun
2021-11-19 at 12:36
< report >Uhh....wow ok, what about the TDA score tho?? I understand that most of y'all don't give a fuck because you haven't played it, but that doesn't mean there aren't fans who care about it and it's reputation on this site. The current scores are misleading and that's a fact
#4397 by soddery
2021-11-19 at 12:47
< report >I played TDA and it is weird viewing it as one complete entity considering how it has been previously released. It would be like combining the Muv Luv and Muv Luv Alternative pages. The scores should be fixed though.
#4398 by rook2887
2021-11-19 at 20:15
< report >I also want to support what substance said, If you want to keep it merged, at least create a new page for it and concerned users will vote according to how they finished the whole experience. When fata morgana was released on switch this year it got very high ratings from a small number of reviewers but that number made all the difference and made the game well known for switch collectors, why can't it be the same for muvluv TDA? Numbers matter and everyone has a right to pissed at TDA not getting the exposure it deserves, and for a series that is getting at least one or two new entries each year in the near future, and all of them are tied to the number one visual novel on this website, I believe proper attention is required and should be considered.
#4399 by insayn
2021-11-19 at 20:25
< report >Again, I would definitely prefer a score wipe/fresh start tbh because this isn't representative at all
#4400 by gambs
2021-11-20 at 00:20
< report >Counterpoint: all or nearly all of the people voting on Muv Luv TDA are already fans of age and Muv Luv, and this artificially inflates the score (no one would read this unless they were already committed to the franchise and read the main works).

Completely standalone or intro titles like Fata Morgana don't receive this benefit -- the people reading and rating these VNs go in not really knowing what to expect, and thus their votes are more representative of a random sampling of VN readers.

For this reason I think the current score on Muv Luv TDA is too high and should be brought down in line with what the rating would be if unbiased VNDB users were voting on it.