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#126 by horseband
2012-06-21 at 16:06
< report >I agree that Nekoko's route would've had more tension/mystery if the OP didn't tell you right away about one of the routes relating to drugs. Although I must say, at some points I wondered if maybe what she was saying was true. Granted I'm really embarrassed to admit that, especially after the OP telling us what the route is about.

I will give the author credit for not being completely cliche in regards to telling a story about drugs. Most follow the exact same outline as you stated, but at least the author strayed from that outline a bit.
#127 by PabloC
2012-10-17 at 17:38
< report >Necro time!

I'm wondering about tagging this VN with g304. Sure, the amount of sexual content certainly isn't low, but it's not exactly high either. IMO, it should be left only with g23, as it has a medium amount of H.

The description of g304 is a bit vague though (maybe we should modify it). Shouldn't it be reserved ONLY for titles that have a crapton of sex scenes, but still aren't nukiges because their main focus isn't H? Like Sengoku Rance, that has ero every few turns, but it's main point is gameplay, or Wanko to Kurasou, where a second half of the game is pretty much a nukige, but the first half is story-oriented and almost sex-free. Using it for every VN that has a slightly above average amount of H scenes makes g304 completely redundant (as simply not adding g236 would do the trick). -.-'

(BTW, v15 is exactly the same, it's also a "medium sexual content" VN)
#128 by warfoki
2012-10-17 at 17:48
< report >First things first, g23 shouldn't be used at all, apart from being a placeholder in the case of untranslated VNs, where we don't have more detailed pieces of information around.

Aside of this, I kind of agree. But before any retagging, g304's description should be defined more clearly indeed.

Or, since the tags are not absolute, g304 should be just kept around 1-1.5 in case of YMK. True, this VN isn't an "almost nukige" (see t2490), but it still has more sex scenes than the average, which justifies the "High Sexual Content" tag somewhat.Last modified on 2012-10-17 at 17:48
#129 by space-ranger
2012-10-17 at 17:51
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This game has more sex scenes than the other games that have a similar playtime.
*facepalm*

Let's find a VN of similar length without adult content because then we can tag all VNs of this length g304 based on this description. The tags telling the amount of sexual content aren't particular useful unless there is a more clear reference to compare with. To do this objectively (which is the goal for all tags) we should define what's normal/average/medium or whatever we will call it. g304 would then be easily described since it would be "Sexual content is too high to tag as medium". Likewise with the low tag.
#130 by PabloC
2012-10-17 at 18:28
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g23 shouldn't be used at all
I don't see why not. We can tag VNs that have either low or significantly higher sexual content with the respective tags, and leave the gray area (YMK, TTT, Saya, Moon.) without any tags specifying an amount of sexual content.
We can consider making a "medium amount of sexual content" tag, but I don't think that's a good idea. I don't see why anyone would ever look for something like that, it will be problematic to define, and it will create two more gray areas to worry about. -.-'

As for scoring, if we keep g304 around 1-1.5 in case of YMK, then Rance goes off the scale. IMO, the difference between actually HSC games and those medium ones is too significant to use the same tag for all of them.Last modified on 2012-10-17 at 18:29
#131 by space-ranger
2012-10-17 at 19:40
< report >If the score should be around 1-1.5, then it's still wrong because it's 1.8 right now.

then Rance goes off the scale
We would need an open scale to avoid that. There is a bonus for making love to 300 women or something. I think that says it all (even though alot of those just happens without text/graphics)
#132 by warfoki
2012-10-17 at 20:38
< report >@Pabloc: Because g23 is used as a placeholder right now. Tons of VNs are tagged with it, because we know that there is sexual content in it, but nobody bothered to check what kind of sexual content is that. As of now this is the main purpose of g23. So if we start to use it for a completely different purpose, that will end up causing a lot more confusion than the current situation, thus being counter-productive.

So if we want to proceed that way, we might as well create a new tag.

edit: shouldn't we create a new thread for this btw?Last modified on 2012-10-17 at 20:39
#133 by horseband
2012-10-17 at 20:40
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First things first, g23 shouldn't be used at all, apart from being a placeholder in the case of untranslated VNs, where we don't have more detailed pieces of information around.

Uh...? So that basically screws one of the biggest ways of filtering novels. Either another method has to be introduced to filter novels that have sexual content or it should be left alone. (Maybe there is a current better method, I'm just not aware of it)Last modified on 2012-10-17 at 20:40
#134 by space-ranger
2012-10-17 at 20:49
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Either another method has to be introduced to filter novels that have sexual content
One option would be to search for meta tags, which will trigger on all child tags.

Another approach would be creating a search for VNs with 18+ rated releases.

Sadly both needs to be coded cleverly or they will be too slow.

shouldn't we create a new thread for this btw?
That would likely be a good idea.

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