|#26 by renn|
2014-07-28 at 11:51
|< report >@14|
I actually agree with this.
I wonder why i can't stand this manwhore protagonist despite being fine with rapist like rance.
Nevertheless, this vn is boring as hell. Didn't give me any excitement, "feels" or laugh . I don't know how Ixrec translation is, but i consider the original is quite bad.
I don't understand your definition of "realisitic". A giant robot whack someone apartment without any eyewitness certainly didn't feel realistic to me.
|#27 by asaki|
2014-07-28 at 17:37
|< report >@26 |
Well everyone has opinion of course. But well the writer of quote 14 is a troll that people was hated by passion, so the quote is pretty much questionable at best I think and pretty much people were berserk when he tried compared it to Naruto(okay I kinda dislike Naruto but this is not Naruto thread OK so please don't discuss this one).
Regarding Rance I kinda find out his action is not quite bad but people is also hate him so the opinion about him pretty much split between like it or hate it. Just a word that in real world rape is bad no matter what OK.
Regarding realistic, summoning dragon is not quite realistic in my opinion so just thinking that there were many coincidence that people were not noticed about the dragon. Also just try to thinking that people is not around there because it is night(The battle take place at night by the way(mostly)). But if your suspense of disbelief is low that's okay of course(Mine is quite mid though, but debating reality in story is quite pointless i think).
PS Sorry if I like to make you mad but if you read the post regarding chuuni and the like I think you should avoid this VN from very beginning, or you agree with loppez after reading it, which is okay though since maybe you didn't know the deal of this VN
PPS If you can stand Rance while you can't stand this protag, well maybe Akihito is not your type of protag. MaybeLast modified on 2014-07-28 at 17:41
|#28 by godsdragon|
2014-07-29 at 06:34
|< report >I must say I am really enjoying this VN so far. I have only read Benio, Hisoka, and Miyuki's route's so far. Sure its not perfect by any means but I myself enjoy the VN so far. I think its a bit of fresh air and is a different take on the typical teen hero's with superpowers fight evil that is normally seen. I am really looking forward to Kagome's route to see how everything mesh's together and hope the story ends without to many loose ends.Last modified on 2014-07-29 at 06:35|
|#29 by pendelhaven|
2014-07-29 at 17:10
|< report >loving the common route so much. I guess I've been sitting for more than 8 hours straight.|
I'm more intrigued with the plot more than with the characters. And while the characters are getting fleshed out (except Mayu not having enough screentime), I'm guessing the routes will fall really subpar compared to common route. Really hard to imagine how romance will play a part here. and that first H-scene. That couldn't be any more out of place.
Mayu best girl. Sorry Benio, you have a lot of quirks but Mayu beats you.Last modified on 2014-07-29 at 17:11
|#30 by renn|
2014-07-29 at 20:19
|< report >@27|
I dropped this vn after i finished the first route, so i don't know exactly "what's the deal with this vn".
Regarding Akihito, i just find his monologue repulsive and i hate how he claim himself as "feminist" yet he's sleeping around with the black girl knowing Benio is in love with him. IIRC He also don't do much in the final fight. So, i felt it doesn't matter whether he's there or not (It's been a long time so please CMIIW).
When the protogonist value hit zero that's instant drop for me. In addition, none of the character interest me. In fact, some of them annoy me ( Kagome and the white haired guy) . The whole dragon thing is also stupid .
P.S: I didn't dislike Chuuni in general since i enjoyed FSN. So, i decided to give this vn a try. But i guess this vn is far from my taste.Last modified on 2014-07-29 at 20:32
|#31 by lne|
2014-07-29 at 21:41
|< report >I'm not sure why anyone would think this is Chuuni although I'm not really familiar with the term myself. What I mean is that several times over the point is made that they are all bound by the same rules and circumstances with very few exceptions. Few are in a coμ with people they previously knew and few have an objective like Caesar does.|
|#32 by imgnarycreature|
2014-07-30 at 01:22
|< report >@31 I think that the VN is considered chuuni because its primarily about young people being given, without explanation, extraordinary and mysterious power that operates according to specific rules that only the people with the power seem to understand; their power has great potential for destruction; nobody outside of the group knows that the power exists; and...well, some stuff at the end is distinctly chunnibyou if you know how typical chunni fantasies go. So...yeah, I'd call it chuuni.|
To be fair, though, my impression is that a lot of chuuni fantasies are modeled after the type of stories from shounen manga and light novels and the like, and Comyu is clearly taking inspiration from those same sources. I would say that our protagonist isn't exactly a chuuni type, so I guess in that respect, you could argue the point.
Personally, I didn't really mind the story itself, but I find myself getting pretty bored during the fight scenes.
|#33 by pendelhaven|
2014-07-30 at 14:31
|< report >what's up with everyone bashing chuuni?|
seriously, the chuuni parts are not really taking a chunky amount of screentime apart from the wordy battles which admittedly can turn off some. tbh its kind of a mix bag of everything. Which in turn I'm worried how the VN will wrap itself up. The romance parts seems pretty hard to mesh in with, so that's another problem.
for what its worth, common route does keep you in one sitting.
|#34 by asaki|
2014-07-30 at 15:25
|< report >@34 Sorry if my casual mention of Chuuni causing split in this thread. Like Naruto this is apparently also causing split so just dont bash or praise it ok(I have no problem with chuuni though TBH but don't say something like I hate it or love it and causing 25-30 post in this thread please)|
@30 Maybe that was the part of unrealistic for you. In fact I read the review and the review told me that Benio route had the most sex scene. That a shame too since Comyu appearently favored by many people who read many VN but oh well that's life. We can only recommended but can't change the taste about VN
|#35 by pendelhaven|
2014-07-30 at 17:56
|< report >|
That a shame too since Comyu appearently favored by many people who read many VN but oh well that's life.
what a disturbingly accurate coincidence.
|#36 by pendelhaven|
2014-07-31 at 16:59
|< report >I can see why a lot of people would disklike the MC.|
At first his monologue would sound nice and/or thought-provoking. but after a while you'd notice he'd basically monologue the same thing about his metaphor "gentle kingdom". I wish he'd just say "all is vanity" and be done with it.
His actions are also extremely inconsistent. I get he's mostly pessimistic, and he's only nice towards girls (playboy?). so what's his logic behind his declaring war on Caesar? You'd probably say because he's pissed about what he learned, but he's supposed to be pessimistic.
Later in the game he just looks like whining and largely inconsistent. Perhaps due to him only acting based on whatever he's seeing at the present. to give him a one word, he's literally a trendfaggot. the type easily swayed left and right by the whims of this "gentle kingdom" aka the world.Last modified on 2014-07-31 at 18:00
|#37 by gabezhul|
2014-07-31 at 18:01
|< report >You know, I swore not to read anything until I am finished with my current project, but the more I hear people complaining about the protagonist of this game the more curious I get about it. Damn you, bile fascination! D:<|
|#38 by pendelhaven|
2014-07-31 at 18:22
|< report >^ knowing you, you'd be irritated by the MC. yup. irritated. no more, no less.|
at least after finishing the first route (Benio).
I have to facepalm myself. only when Benio commented that Mayuki looks like the idol singer Yuuna did I realized OMGAAWWWDD how did I missed that!! No wonder she was wearing that intentionally weird getup. and she's "busy" for a child labor.Last modified on 2014-07-31 at 18:25
|#39 by godsdragon|
2014-07-31 at 23:42
|< report >I also find myself quite annoyed by the MC, as he seems to help any females against all reason. I myself am a bigger fan of Caesar and his ideals as he reminds me of Kiritsugu from Fate Zero.|
|#40 by gustave154|
2014-08-02 at 18:44
|< report >I think the translation is awesome. The translators did a good job.|
|#41 by pendelhaven|
2014-08-03 at 08:34
|< report >The translation is awesome, but the editing seems to miss a bit.|
At this point I'd blame JP ambiguity more than the editors themselves. Largely due to JP omitting pronouns. Even with context sometimes its hard to tell (not impossible, hard) if you should use "you" or "I". considering the project is HUUUGE, mistakes are normal.Last modified on 2014-08-03 at 08:36
|#42 by zetsubou-bimmy|
2014-08-03 at 09:36
|< report >There were no editors for comyu (not that it matters since apparently ixrec just reverts all edits anyway)Last modified on 2014-08-03 at 10:04|
|#43 by gabezhul|
2014-08-03 at 14:55
|< report >Against my better judgment I started reading this. This far I am about four hours in (though I cannot be sure as I am reading it in ten-minutes-to-half-hour chunks with short interruptions in-between), and I can summarize my opinion on the VN in four words: Interesting but ridiculously bloated.|
Seriously, I get it. Kururi is pretty and weird. Kagome is really pretty and she is called a witch. Benio is flat and she is an ally of justice.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT IT EVERY TIME THEY APPEAR ON THE SCREEN! D:<
Stuff like that and the protagonist's disjointed philosophizing pad the story to the point where about every second line is just filler. The pacing is also pretty bad, with random flashbacks (as in, the protagonist walks down the street, remembers that there was a bombing five years ago and then suddenly BAM!, completely unrelated flashback to the death of his mother), an almost purple-prose level over-descriptive narration and mostly drab "comedy", boring slice of life and sudden action scenes swirling around in a very slow and tedious maelstrom of weirdness.
Also, this is definitely a chuuni story. The protagonist's random existentialist musings alone would qualify it, but then there is the rest of the cast who are all one-note weirdos, including a girl who insist on being called a "super detective" and a self-proclaimed "ally of justice", and let's not even start on Mayuki... That's about as chuuni as it gets, though I guess it is a side-theme at best.
All things considered it actually looks like a really interesting story with an intriguing premise, and some (I repeat, SOME) of the character interactions are really fun, but it is marred by bad writing and a very tedious narrative. I'll keep at it, we'll see if it would turn around my opinion later...
|#44 by pendelhaven|
2014-08-03 at 16:11
|< report >I should warn everyone that its probably objectively better to disable the H-scenes. they're both weird and creepy. and to be honest? you'd just feel inconsistent with the MC if you don't disable the H.|
|#45 by fonmaster|
2014-08-03 at 16:44
|< report >Is it ok to skip Mayuki's route? I read the basic summary of her route and I don't like it. Can I skip her without missing anything?|
|#46 by xraider|
2014-08-03 at 16:58
|< report >Yes. Same with Ayaya's. |
I'd still read it though. Mayuki 2kawaii
|#47 by gabezhul|
2014-08-03 at 17:51
|< report >Argh... The writing is driving me mad. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE CALL KAGOME THE BLACK WITCH. YES, I ALSO KNOW THAT SHE HAS A UNIQUE BLACK UNIFORM! AND THAT SHE IS ALOOF TOO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! STOP REPEATEDLY DESCRIBING IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN! >_<|
On an unrelated note, this far the VN is about as mixed as it gets. When it is good, it is really good... but it's only good about 10% of the time. The rest is mostly just awkward repetitions, awkward "comedy" and tedious narration... -.-'
|#48 by gerardlonewolf|
2014-08-03 at 17:59
|< report >I wonder why most people who have read the original likes it... Is the original writing this bad or did Ixrec actually fucked up the translation pretty badly?|
|#49 by gabezhul|
2014-08-03 at 18:10
|< report >^ I guess it's the philosophizing. If the kind of philosophy that the VN endorses is up your alley, it would probably make up for all the other flaws.|
Also, while the writing is generally pretty bad when it comes to comedy, characters or just general slice-of-life, it does a lot of hard-core introspective stuff that is not exactly common. Again, if one is into characters constantly having inner turmoils and dissecting their own motivations into tiny ribbons then this VN would be right up their alley. However, if you expect that this introspection would result in some kind of character-development instead of the characters staying one-note defined by one or two characteristics during their interactions-- tough luck.
: Just finished the common route. I clocked it around 10 hours, 8 hours if we only look at raw reading time.
This far I would give the VN a weak 7. While it has some really interesting concepts and themes and the action is pretty intense, practically everything else is a jumbled mess of varying quality ranging from decent to just plain bad. That's it for today though; it's getting late and tomorrow is a workday...
|#50 by albedo|
2014-08-03 at 22:29
|< report >Started playing this yesterday, so far, with 3/4 of the common route, I'd say it's good. Premise is interesting, action scenes are well done and sol scenes are not that bad (which is all I can ask for.)|
However, the comedy... Damn. Why must the MC retort to every single one of Kagome's comebacks, sometimes cutting the flow or a scene, and speaking of Kagome, jesus. I get that the characters are one-note, that doesn't bother me so much, but Kagome... FFS, yes, I know she's a sociopath, but I don't need to be reminded of that with every single line she says. Seriously, she could talk like a normal human being once in a while...