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#2776 by skorpiondeath
2022-01-16 at 14:38
< report >Oh ok so I'll add to both traits.
#2777 by urmom
2022-01-18 at 00:21
< report >It would be really nice if nose piercing, or at least septum piercing, was separated from the general "facial piercing" trait. I've been seeing a lot of VNs, typically of the BDSM variety, with characters having septum bull rings.

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#2778 by barfboy
2022-01-18 at 20:38
< report >Can someone explain the difference between these two traits with examples? All these years I still don't get it.

Airhead
Idiot
#2779 by Aresia
2022-01-18 at 21:21
< report >I always assumed that airheads are those who 'lack common sense' or, eccentric people who don't act/think like normal person do. While idiots are those who simply have low intelligence, lack of self-awareness, and high amount of ignorance. I mean, a scientist/researcher could be an airhead, but you wouldn't put an Idiot trait on them.

Airhead: Mochizuki Amane
Idiot: Midorishita Yumina
#2780 by barfboy
2022-01-19 at 00:49
< report >I'm sorry, I didn't ask well enough. I don't mean show me two characters, I can easily look that up myself. I mean explain examples so that I understand. What are some examples of a person who's an airhead? What sort of decisions do they make? How are their decisions different from someone who's an idiot?

I have a feeling the examples you give will be the same and that's the problem with the traits.
#2781 by Aresia
2022-01-19 at 05:33
< report >The two traits both have wikipedia entries which clearly explain what they are and the difference between them. Idiot will be unable to answer tests and solve problem, but airheads could although with weird and uncommon means.

Say an idiot and an airhead saw a store being robbed by an armed guy. The normal common sense would be to call the police and let them deal with it. An idiot with no intelligence would just charge into the store and be shot because they didn't knew any better. While an airhead with poor judgement would know to defense themselves and drive a car through the store to hit the robber or something.
#2782 by barfboy
2022-01-19 at 06:47
< report >I just don't get it, nor do I understand how to apply them even with the wikipedia articles. They spend to much time explaining the problem of identity and the history of the meaning of the words but provide no examples. Not your fault but this doesn't help. A product of political correctness I'm afraid.

Let's just go over characters I know and see why they're applied with one trait as opposed to the other. I need to get this right so I stop forgetting there's two different traits and misapplying them.

Aqua
Why is she an idiot and not an airhead?
Manami Natsumi
Same

Fuuma Yura
Why is she an airhead and not an idiot.
Kagami Sumika
same

Haruka
Why is she both?
#2783 by NaioHoras
2022-01-19 at 07:00
< report >those indeed are problematic traits. it was discussed before actually t3617.1990 but it never reached an agreement.

perhaps you might want to see what you can do to fix that.
#2784 by barfboy
2022-01-19 at 07:03
< report >Oh man, thanks for that.
#2785 by Aresia
2022-01-19 at 08:21
< report >I don't know it seems pretty clear to me. I agree on the points beliar made on t3617.2001 and t3617.2008. The traits that clashes more are actually Airhead and Ignorant.
#2786 by ThorsHamster
2022-01-20 at 10:18
< report >Seventh Posture
Engages in (Sexual) / Seventh Posture
Subject of (Sexual) / Seventh Posture

Both of these traits link to a nonexistent Wikipedia article. The term "Seventh Posture" itself seems to be lacking in documentation, and is perhaps afforded primary moniker due to its use in the English translation of the Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana.

Near as I can tell from the description of the position, it is equivalent to the Scissored Flagpole position. There are no VNDB traits or aliases for Scissored Flagpole.

Recommended: Change the above traits to primarily read as "Scissored Flagpole". Link to the sexinfo101.com article for reference and visual example. Make "Seventh Posture" an alias for each trait.Last modified on 2022-01-20 at 10:22
#2787 by skorpiondeath
2022-01-20 at 13:27
< report >You'll find references about Seventh Posture around the net: link

We can add Scissored Flagpole as an alias and link examples. Changing the name is a bit controversial since everyone is used to the term "Seventh Posture" here on VNDB.
#2788 by silence
2022-01-28 at 16:29
< report >Does Sex in Water include non-penetrative sex?

Also, I would like to propose to change the description of Sex Under Water. Not the bodies must be underwater, but the genitals of at least one partner. And ofc these genitals must be "in work".Last modified on 2022-01-28 at 16:33
#2789 by beliar
2022-01-28 at 16:33
< report >
This character engages in sexual acts in water
If you mean intercrural, or something like handjobs, footjobs, boobjobs, then yes, they fall under description.
#2790 by silence
2022-01-28 at 16:34
< report >And what about tits massage? ^_^
#2791 by beliar
2022-01-28 at 17:28
< report >I would say not. It's my belief that "sexual acts' should refer to the stimulation of genitals, whether penetration occurs or not. "Tits massage" just doesn't fit the description for me.

Also, I would like to propose to change the description of Sex Under Water. Not the bodies must be underwater, but the genitals of at least one partner. And ofc these genitals must be "in work".
I don't see why. That would make Sex in Water and Sex Under Water duplicates identical in application. SUW is specifically when the character is wholly submerged; SIW is when they are partially submerged. I don't see a problem...
#2792 by silence
2022-01-28 at 17:43
< report >And what if I want to see the sex with the genitals submerged, but with torso being above the water, while excluding the situations, when the participants are just standing in water up to their ankles? Also, the Sex in Water trait only gives us the location of this activity, without specifying the details of the sex itself.
I mean, the ginitals being above the water or underwater is the most significant part here imo. Full submerge can be a subtrait of this or vice versa.
#2793 by beliar
2022-01-28 at 20:19
< report >That's such a super specific thing, I'm kinda baffled. Anyway I don't agree either with that description or a need for a new trait.
#2794 by skorpiondeath
2022-01-28 at 21:08
< report >Lol not to mention people doing sex in handstand position with head submerged and genitals above the water.Last modified on 2022-01-28 at 21:10
#2795 by silence
2022-01-29 at 10:53
< report >I sugguested the "Crotch Sniffing" trait, but just found there's the "Body Smell Fetishism". So I guess you can just add some aliases to already existed trait. Though, just sniffing once doesn't mean this guy is fetishist.

Also, is there something like "Erotic Peeping" in the database? When someone peeps on people getting naked or a couple banging?

I'd like to also suggest for the Middle Sister trait to specify, that when there are more than 3 sisters, there must be only one younger sister, one older sister, while all others must be the middle sisters even if they're not the twins with the same birth date. Or, if you're agree with that, let's discuss it.Last modified on 2022-01-29 at 11:03
#2796 by beliar
2022-01-29 at 11:00
< report >Erm, I mean: link
#2797 by silence
2022-01-29 at 11:04
< report >Thanks. Could you then add the Peeping as alias, coz it's strange and inconvenient, that there's no aliases at all.
#2798 by beliar
2022-01-29 at 11:17
< report >
I'd like to also suggest for the Middle Sister trait to specify, that when there are more than 3 sisters, there must be only one younger sister, one older sister, while all others must be the middle sisters even if they're not the twins with the same birth date.
Ugh, I remember this discussion with Warfoki. I had pointed out that the way the traits were written, if there are more than three sisters, the ones in the middle would get tagged both with the Middle Sister trait AND the Younger and Older Sister traits, which is a bit nonsensical. Nothing came out of it, but your solution works as far as I see, so I have no problems adding this amendment.
#2799 by NaioHoras
2022-01-29 at 11:35
< report >why do we need that trait again? I'm still in favor for removing it, as it's searchable by applying both applying Younger Sister and Older Sister, and making it mutually exclusive trait won't help character search and the upcoming character relation feature at all.
#2800 by silence
2022-02-01 at 15:57
< report >Is the sex of a girl with a boy, that changed his gender still counts as lesbian sex?