| #451 by warfoki 2015-01-08 at 21:37 | < report >Sexual is going to see a MAJOR overhaul in a few days, so I don't think that there's any point discussing that issue separately right now. Still, I can give my opinion on what could be done with these issues theoretically in the current system, even though I'm not going to bother with it right now. Still, my two cents on that one: the fingering issue is easy to solve by two child traits. Can't really separate them though, that'd require going through them and decide on a case-by-case basis... for 898 characters. Not gonna happen. The multiple penetration trait is more complicated than that I'm afraid. Multiple penetration can happen through the same orifice (double vaginal, etc) and.. uhm.. non-standard orifices as well: urethra, nose and let's not even start on the possible combinations with Grotesque Body Modification (I thought there was a trait counterpart for that... weird) where it's hard, if not impossible determine what penetrates which orifice in what way. That'd be a crapton of child traits. |
| #452 by takata 2015-01-08 at 21:55 | < report >How did you plan on overhauling Sexual? Were you going to break it into two meta-traits?Last modified on 2015-01-08 at 21:56 |
| #453 by warfoki 2015-01-08 at 22:25 | < report >I'm still considering my options there. For now I'm going through the rest of the traits (almost done, only the Subject of is left at this point) and brush those up. Adding Wikipedia links, fixing broken image links, formatting, fixing typos, that sort of business. Once I'm done, I'll post a changelog here. I'm not putting these up for debate, because... well, it'd be pointless. In the meanwhile I'm also mapping out the more serious issues in the other sections that I can't fix without some issues. I'll have a longer Skype chat with our favourite tsun-tsun mod about those and the possibilities for the Sexual trait-overhaul to see if we can come up with something better together then myself alone. After that I'll open two threads (probably this weekend), one for the miscellaneous changes and one separately for the sexual section to put them up for discussion. I'm open to alternative ideas to mine, as long as they are feasible and won't break anything. The sexual overhaul should be decided by the last week of January though, because a new semester starts in February and then I won't really have time for actually implementing it. I expect several days worth of work with that frankly either way. So, again, to clarify: I'm NOT implementing anything major overnight. There'll be time to discuss it. |
| #454 by silence 2015-01-09 at 02:49 | < report > the fingering issue is easy to solve by two child traits. Can't really separate them though, that'd require going through them and decide on a case-by-case basis Actually, I agree with this. So, you will accept Anal Fingering and Vaginal Fingering traits? Should we include vulva manipulations into Vaginal Fingering? There is also a Penis Fingering, I assume.Multiple penetration can happen through the same orifice (double vaginal, etc) and.. uhm.. non-standard orifices as well Same as with Fingering. Just leave Multiple Penetration as it is, while adding the specific child traits. If a one will want to add something like "Urethra+Nose Penetration", then he can just use Multiple Penetration or add a new specific trait for that.PS: Are going to arrange sexual Tags the same way? |
| #455 by warfoki 2015-01-09 at 17:31 | < report >We'll see after the overhaul about these. I'd like to apply more or less the same structure to the tags (aside of noting the active / passive participants, since those are only relevant for the traits), so if I end up making child traits, then I'll probably make their tag counterparts as well, yes. |
| #456 by silence 2015-01-10 at 12:35 | < report >Thanks for your efforts ^_^Last modified on 2015-01-10 at 12:35 |
| #457 by warfoki 2015-01-11 at 14:05 | < report >So, the changelog. A few things to note: Image internalization means that I removed all the external links pointing to example images. Then I uploaded said images to VNDB using the screenshot uploader and linked them there. Quite a number of images were broken already, this way we can avoid getting more broken. Name and alias synchronization means that I brushed together the names and aliases for the sexual tags and traits. So searching for a term should throw the same tags and traits at you as a result. Ah, and I have no idea why aren't all those ids got auto-converted into proper links. Some of them are, some of them aren't, I don't know why. If any coding-savvy person would look into this, I'd appreciate it. I copy pasted the log from a txt file if that matters somehow. Spiky Bangs Description: Image internalisation. Short Hime Cut Description: Minor capitalization fix. Hair Beads Description: Image internalisation. Cat Ears Hairstyle Deleted. Kemonomimi covers this entirely. And out of the 4 characters tagged with this trait, at least two were mistagged anyway. Slicked Back Description: Minor capitalization fix, image internalisation. Eye Color Alias: Eye Colour Salmon Deleted. Nobody has used it for over 22 months. Round Description: Image internalisation. Sanpaku Eyes Description: Image internalisation. Shadowed Description: Removed text ("Usually seen on otaku and yandere characters."). Slit Pupils Description: Minor formatting, added example, minor typo fix. Symbol Description: Image internalisation. Polydactyly Description: Minor typo fix. Average Height and Short Description: Average Height said 1.40 meters is the low end of average heigth. Short said that short characters are under 1.45 meters. That leaves us with a 5 cm gap that could go either way. Since I don't think that this'll really affect any traits or just a very, very few, I decided to fix this by changing Average Height to 1.45 meters. Flight Attendant Uniform Description: Image internalisation. Turtleneck Swimsuit Alias: Added the aliases based on the description. Furisode Alias: Added the aliases based on the description. Tomesode Alias: Added the aliases based on the description. Description: Added Wikipedia link. Yukata Alias: Added alias. Sokutai Alias: Added alias. Turtleneck Leotard Alias: Added the aliases based on the description. Torn Pantyhose Description: Removed text ("Cuts/rips can be made on purpose just for fashion (goth like) or the result of wild sex/rape.") and image internalisation. Habit Description: Minor capitalization fix. Mini Hat Description: Image internalisation. Horns Description: Minor formatting. Torn Clothing Parent traits: Moved from Over Body Clothing under Accessories and Others. Dog Tags Description: Minor capitalization fix. Ankle Bracelet Description: Minor formatting. Pendant Earring Description: Removed text (the part referring to Pendant Necklace instead of the actual trait) and added an example. Kanzashi Description: Image internalisation. Hair Flower Description: Minor formatting. Transparent Description: Minor formatting. Unusual Hair Ornaments Description: Minor formatting. Christmas Cap Description: Image internalisation. Kanzashi Parent trait: Removed Headwear. Its other two parent traits are already under Headwear, so this was redundant. Bridal Gauntlet Description: Image internalisation and minor capitalzation fix. Fingerless Evening Gloves Description: Image internalisation. Parent traits: Moved from Gloves under Evening Gloves and Fingerless Gloves. Tank Top Alias: Added alias based on description. Turtleneck Shirt Alias: Added alias based on description. Turtleneck Sweater Alias: Edited alias based on description. Ankle Boots Description: Image internalisation. Flip-flops Description: Added Wikipedia link. High Heel Sandals Parent traits: Added High Heels as a parent trait. Pantyhose Description: removed example. The link was dead and there are enough example images in the linked Wikipedia article anyway. Thigh-high Stockings Description: removed example. The link was dead and there are enough example images in the linked Wikipedia article anyway. Minor formatting. Pareo Alias: Added the aliases based on the description. Spaulders Description: Minor formatting. Grenade Description: Capitalzation fixes. Rocket Launcher Description: Minor formatting. Guan Dao Primary Name: Capitalization fix. Description: Capitalzation fixes. Lance Description: Capitalzation fixes. Maul Description: Fixed Wikipedia link. Parent traits: Moved from Polearm to Blunt Instruments. Mauls are hardly bladed weapons. Or polearms, for that matter. Greatsword Description: Minor formatting. Longsword Description: Capitalzation fixes. Pickaxe Parent traits: Moved from Bladed Instrument under Items. Pickaxes are not actual axes, nor are they bladed and as per their primary function, they are not even weapons. Scissors Parent traits: Removed Blade. Scissors are not weapons. Saw Parent traits: Moved from Bladed Instrument under Items. Again, saws are not weapons. One could argue for the case of chainsaws, since in some settings, those are weaponised (see Warhammer 40k), but irl even those are merely tools. Chainsaw Parent traits: Added Bladed Instrument as per the argument above. Wire Weapon Description: Image internalisation. Wind Instruments Description: Minor formatting. Drum Description: Removed the "for moderators" section, which I should've removed when I approved the trait. -.-" Bass Guitar Parent traits: Moved from Musical Instrument under Guitar. Guitar Parent traits: Moved from Musical Instrument under String Instrument. We Deleted. 3 years old trait and no one ever used it. Food Lover Description: Minor typo fix. Haraguro Alias: Added alias based on description. Description: Minor capitalization fix. Mysterious Alias: Edited aliases to make it more searchable. Pacifist Description: Minor capitalization fix. Insect Description: Fixed Wikipedia link. Capitalization fixes. Pony Description: Minor capitalization fix. Rabbit Description: Minor capitalization fix. Grimoire Parent traits: Moved from Nature under Construct. Homunculus Parent traits: Moved from Nature under Construct. Living Doll Parent traits: Moved from Nature under Construct. Artificial Intelligence Parent traits: Moved from Nature under Construct. Idealist Description: Minor capitalization fix. Father Complex Primary name: Capitalazitaion fix. Nature Description: Minor typo fix. Fox Description: Minor capitalization fix. Goat Description: Minor typo fix. Keyboardist Alias: Removed "pianist". There is a separate child trait for that. Manga Artist Alias: Added alias based on description. Description: Minor formatting. Mentor Description: Minor capitalization fix. Secretary Description: Minor capitalization fix. Student Council President Description: Capitalzation fixes. Student Council Vice President Description: Capitalzation fixes. Health Committee Member Description: Capitalzation fixes. Elementary School Student Description: Capitalzation fixes. Middle School Student Description: Capitalzation fixes. University Student Description: Minor formatting. Exorcist Parent traits: Moved from Monk, Priest and Priestess under Religious Roles. An exorcist CAN be a monk, priest or priestess, but he/she doesn't have to be. Blue-collar Worker Primary name: Capitalazitaion fix. White-collar Worker Primary name: Capitalazitaion fix. Construction Worker Primary name: Capitalazitaion fix. Pink-collar Worker Primary name: Capitalazitaion fix. Host(ess) Description: Capitalzation fixes. Housewife Parent traits: Added Wife. Domestic Partner Description: Capitalzation fixes. Half-Japanese Alias: Added alias based on description. Role Description: Capitalzation fixes. Exhibitionist Description: Minor capitalization fix. Illegitimate Child Primary name: Capitalazitaion fix. Tsukkomi Alias: Added alias based on description. Unpopular Description: Minor formatting. Netball Description: Minor capitalization fix, added Wikipedia link. Wrestling Description: Minor capitalization fix. Domestic Violence Description: Minor capitalization fix. Masochism Parent traits: Moved from Mental Affliction under Engages in. Description: Removed the third paragraph, which described masochism as a mental disorder. Sadism Parent traits: Moved from Mental Affliction under Engages in. Description: Removed the third paragraph, which described sadism as a mental disorder. Sexual Fetishism Parent traits: Moved from Mental Affliction under Engages in. Mental Affliction Deleted. The trait in and of itslef is just pointless. One can be the subject of a mental disorder at best. And the fact that Sadism, Masochism and Sexual Fetishism were the only child traits just made this meta trait even more pointless, insulting and dishonest. The only trace of handling sadism or masochism as a mental disorder in modern times was the appendix of a psychological handbook from 1987. Aside of crazy fundies, no one considers them mental disorders anymore. I remember that there was a bit of an outrage about this when these were first introduced to the database in this form, but Echomateria simply refused to change it. I, on the other hand, refused to leave it like this. As for Sexual Fetishism, I have no idea what that was doing here to begin with. Drinking Description: Minor formatting. Flirting Description: Minor capitalization fix. Dimensional Travel Description: Minor formatting. Genetic Research Description: Minor capitalization fix. Smoking Description: Minor formatting. Voodoo Alias: Added aliases based on description. Death Description: changed it a little, so that these characters CAN die during the course of the story. After all half of the child traits actually applies to characters whose death is not ensured. Reincarnation Description: Minor formatting. Parent traits: Removed Subject of because of redundancy. Also removed Resurrection. The two are different concepts. Anemia Description: Minor capitalization fix. Hospitalization Description: Minor capitalization fix. Petplay Description: Capitalization fixes, minor formatting. Pussy Shaving Description: Image internalisation. Twin Boobjob Description: Minor capitalization fix. Twin Boobjob Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Description: Minor capitalization fix. Boobjob Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Non-penetrative Sex Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Naizuri Alias: Added alias based on description. Frot Description: Removed "male-male" because of futanaris. Reverse Cowgirl Primary name: Capitalazitaion fix. Polearm Parent traits: Moved from Bladed Instrument under Weapons. Hand Fan Primary name: Changed to Hand Fan from Fan Alias: Removed Hand Fan. Parent traits: Moved from Items under Accessories and Others. Camera Parent traits: Moved from Items under Electric Appliances. Description: Capitalization fixes. Microphone Parent traits: Moved from Items under Electric Appliances. Description: Minor capitalization fix. Mobile Phone Parent traits: Moved from Items under Electric Appliances. Radio Primary Name: Changed to Radio from Transistor Radio. Alias: Removed Radio, added Transistor Radio. Description: Removed "transistor" from the first sentence. Parent traits: Moved from Items under Electric Appliances. Electric Appliances Added new meta trait. Drill [Weapon] Primary name: Renamed to Drill [Weapon] from Drill. Parent traits: Removed Weapons. Description: Edited to fit the new pupose, removed second paragraph. Drill [Tool] Added new trait. Simple Tools Added new meta trait. Hand Saw Parent traits: Added Simple Tools. Binoculars Description: Minor capitalization fix. Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Broom Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Alias: Added broomstick. Pen Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Pickaxe Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Ruler Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Scissors Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Shovel Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Tray Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Umbrella Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Musical Instrument Primary name: Capitalization fix. Whistle Parent traits: Moved from Items under Simple Tools. Locomotion Added new meta trait. Walking Stick Parent traits: Moved from Items under Locomotion. Bicycle Alias: Added cycle. Parent traits: Moved from Items under Locomotion. Description: Copied the Wikipedia description. Motorcycle Parent traits: Moved from Items under Locomotion. Swimming Board Parent traits: Moved from Items under Locomotion. Wheelchair Parent traits: Moved from Items under Locomotion. Food Added new meta trait. Lolipop Parent traits: Moved from Items under Food. Pocky Alias: Added aliases based on description. Parent traits: Moved from Items under Food. Sport Instruments Added new meta trait. Baseball Bat Parent traits: Added Sport Instruments. Ball Parent traits: Moved from Items under Sport Instruments. Containers Added new meta trait. Suitcase Parent traits: Moved from Items under Containers. Bag Parent traits: Moved from Items under Containers. Medical Tools Added new meta trait. Hypodermic Needle Parent traits: Moved from Items under Medical Tools. Description: Minor typo fix. Shield Parent trait: Removed Items. Miscellaneous Items Added new meta trait. Flower / Plant Parent traits: Moved from Items under Miscellaneous Items. Tarot Cards Parent traits: Moved from Items under Miscellaneous Items. Novelist Parent traits: Moved from Careers under Writer. Twin Blowjob Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Multiple Penetration Primary name: Capitalization fix. Triple Blowjob Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Multi-blowjob Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Anal Beads Primary name: Capitalization fix. Double-ended Dildo Primary name: Capitalization fix. Sex Engine Description: Minor capitalization fix. Minor formatting. Intercrural Sex Alias: Alias synchronization. Body Writing Alias: Alias synchronization. Erotic Spanking Alias: Alias synchronization. Deepthroat Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Blowjob Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Anilingus Alias: Alias synchronization. Cunnilingus Alias: Alias synchronization. Sixty-nine Alias: Alias synchronization. Female Ejaculation Parent traits: Moved from Ejaculation under Sexual. Ejaculation Deleted. Pointless. Public Masturbation Description: Made it more precise by adding the second sentence. Regenerative Hymen Alias: Alias synchronization. Ahegao Alias: Alias synchronization. Description: Removed some irrelevant parts about ahegao, as a meme. Anal Sex Alias: Alias synchronization. Sex in front of an Audience Primary name: Name synchronization. Scat Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Description: Replaced the long, very medical-sounding wall of text with the one from the tag. Why overcomplicate things? Food Play Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Description: Made it more specific. Hairjob Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Lesbian Sex Alias: Alias synchronization. Mutual Masturbation Parent traits: Moved from Sexual under Masturbation. Pegging Alias: Alias synchronization. Tentacles (Consensual) Primary name: Changed to be more descriptive. Alias: Added Consensual Sex Involving Tentacles. Bestiality Primary name: Name synchronization. Alias: Alias synchronization. Side Tail Description: Minor formatting. Thick Eyebrows Description: Example link was dead, replaced it with an example character from the database. Heterochromia Description: Minor formatting.Last modified on 2015-01-11 at 23:12 |
| #458 by silence 2015-01-11 at 16:19 | < report >I agree (or don't care) with most of changes, but I still think, that you should somehow make Pussy Shaving's picture more anonymous =) Oh, and what about sexual givers/receivers? |
| #459 by warfoki 2015-01-11 at 16:23 | < report >I've just internalised it, that was the original image. I'll search a hentai image for it later. Sexual traits: new thread a bit later.Last modified on 2015-01-11 at 23:08 |
| #460 by barfboy 2015-01-12 at 08:03 | < report >Jeez warfoki, are you god? |
| #461 by warfoki 2015-01-12 at 18:46 | < report >As in Godawfully Obsessed with Details? Yeah, I suppose I am. |
| #462 by takata 2015-01-17 at 01:59 | < report >Torn Pantyhose: I think it becomes more ambiguous if you remove the part of the description saying that pantyhose torn in the process of sex also counts for this trait. Ankle socks: I assume ankle socks means this (link), which reaches below the ankle, as opposed to this (link), which reaches above the ankle. I don't get what "socks that stop at the heel" means in the description though. O.o I haven't seen any socks that stop before the heel. Knee-high Socks: Broken link for image. Was part of the set demonstrating the height difference between pantyhose, thigh high and knee high socks. Miscellaneous Items: I thought uncategorisable stuff should just go into Items. (But if you don't want to organise it like that, maybe you should put Cross under Miscellaneous Items too.) Death: Typo in first sentence. 3rd paragraph unneccesary. 2nd sentence of 2nd paragraph also unneccesary. 1st sentence of 2nd paragraph might be unneccesary, but may help in cases where a character is in some way nearly dead. (There are a few legal entanglements in real life over when a person is legally dead.) Naizuri: 1st sentence does not make sense. Suggest: "This character is attempting to engage in mammary intercourse, but their breasts are too small to do it properly." Aside, I recall Orifushi Mafuyu doing this in the anime. When she sees she is insufficiently endowed to engage in mammary intercourse "normally" (rubbing the main character's penis between her breasts), she uses a slight variation (rubbing the main character's penis between her chest and the palms of her hands) that works much better. Does this variation count as "naizuri", and if so, should it be mentioned in the description?Last modified on 2015-01-17 at 02:02 |
| #463 by warfoki 2015-01-17 at 10:27 | < report >Torn Pantyhose: Removing that sentence doesn't change a thing. It said that the torn state of the pantyhose CAN be the result of rape or wild sex. It never said said that it must be. And I found it unnecessary, since the only thing that matters for this trait is that the pantyhose is torn. How did it became so is irrelevant. Ankle socks I assume you've never heard of half-socks then. Knee-high Socks That managed to slip through the cracks somehow. Fixed it. Miscellaneous Items Nah, this way it's less of a mess. As for Cross, see t6093. Death Well, that's embarrassing. Admittedly I wasn't paying attention to the details all that much here, I just added may and can before the verb die and called it a day. Now let me actually fix this... Naizuri Fixed. Also, to answer you question: yes, just combine it with the relevant trait(s). |
| #464 by takata 2015-01-17 at 13:00 | < report >Naizuri: Er.... nonono, it definitely doesn't count as a handjob. Calling it a handjob is misleading. It's definitely -just- naizuri. See link @ the 20:00 mark (NSFW). I preferred the description without the 3rd paragraph. >.< I'm quite sure anyone who knew what "naizuri" meant would recognise this as such a scene.Last modified on 2015-01-17 at 13:04 |
| #465 by warfoki 2015-01-17 at 14:04 | < report >Alright, I see what you mean. Removed that segment. |
| #466 by barfboy 2015-01-17 at 20:18 | < report >Shouldn't Adultery be a subset of Netorare/Netori and not the other way around? I thought Adultery is specific to MARRIED individuals. Otherwise if someone betrays their boyfriend/girlfriend it's just cheating. |
| #467 by takata 2015-01-19 at 10:49 | < report >Time loop: I think this makes sense as a tag, but not as a trait. If a story has a time loop, every character in the story is automatically part of it. (Unless this trait is only to be applied to characters who can remember events from previous loops.) Pussy Shaving: Rename to: Pubic Hair Shaving Change description to: The pubic hair near this character's genitals is shaved during the story. ExampleLast modified on 2015-01-19 at 10:50 |
| #468 by warfoki 2015-01-19 at 12:10 | < report >@Barfboy: I guess the idea here was to have Infidelity cover every case of cheating without getting into the specifics too deep. Hence we have adultery as an alias. I'm fin with that really, but if you people think that having a separate Adultery trait is necessary for some reason, I see no harm in it. @Takata: Time Loop: For the most part, you are right. But how is that a problem? If we don't have this trait then people wanting to find characters who are subjects of time loops would have to search for the tag and check out the characters belonging to the found VNs manually. Also, there can be some exceptions. Say, an extra-dimensional being who actually creates the time-loop. Or the time-loop might glitch and someone fades out of it when it starts. Or the time loop is just part of the plot and some characters are only introduced after the time loop have been resolved. And so forth. Pubic Hair Shaving: Done.Last modified on 2015-01-19 at 12:13 |
| #469 by barfboy 2015-01-19 at 21:19 | < report >Oh whoops I'm sorry I screwed up, I meant the tag. I put this in the wrong thread. Trait is fine. Tag is kinda wonky. |
| #470 by barfboy 2015-01-20 at 17:59 | < report >Heterosexual sex question. Lesbian rapist princess link is engaged to homosexual cross dressing prince link They realize they're 'perfect' for each other. So long as he's in a dress she's quite turned on and he enjoys it too. How do I express that two otherwise homosexual characters end up having sex together? Heterosexual trait? That would just be retarded. Maybe some things just can't be expressed with tags or traits. |
| #471 by warfoki 2015-01-20 at 19:37 | < report >Use Bisexual. And before anyone world bring up that they are just "hetero" for each other: doesn't matter. |
| #472 by savagetiger 2015-01-30 at 02:12 | < report >Since you can't add the White-collar Worker trait to characters can you take the alias's off of it and put them on a new child trait called Office Worker? For use on character's that work in office's but not as executive's or in a managing position. -- Do we need both Father Complex and Electra Complex? The second isn't used and there is only Oedipus Complex that has Mother Complex as an alias for comparison.Last modified on 2015-02-01 at 06:07 |
| #473 by mashibana 2015-02-05 at 10:40 | < report >The Womanizer trait is reserved for males, but there are some female characters that could use it too. Should we make Womanizer gender-neutral or create a new trait just for female womanizers?Last modified on 2015-02-06 at 08:46 |
| #474 by eacil 2015-02-14 at 06:10 | < report >Relating to link and the two next revisions warakanai please explain me how the definition of the tag which said "This character has the physical appearance of an adult of ages 40 to 65." can be ignored just because you read "Note that this trait only signifies the physical appearance of this character, and it may not reflect actual age." ? I think that note is not here for you to edit entries just because you decreed that this character is less than 40 years old "in appearance" aka "the appearance you say she has". First, how is it possible to decree that the character in question is less than 40 years old? Because she has big breasts she obviously had given birth to a whole platoon? Then, I think that note is only here when there is no age available on the official website, to avoid war when the character is 35-45 years old and you can't determine it precisely, to say it's the image she reflects that is important as a tag. So, if I am right, until there is no official age of a character or if the chara has obviously more than 40 years old, stop fixing editings of other people just because you hate them. There is no way that this chara is more than 40yo in reality or in appearance, more like conduit said, in her 20's-30's. (And I think she is in her 20's.) Please someone tells me that I am not blind and that she is obviously less than 40yo "in appearance". |
| #475 by wakaranai 2015-02-14 at 06:12 | < report >^sorry not reading that wall of text. |
