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#3076 by Mrkew
2023-02-20 at 18:32
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It is a child of "oral sex", thus I don't see how the separate traits for variations of oral sex are needed here
69 does not specify the sexual organ that the oral sex is performed on. How would you deal with it for futa and whatnot? Another example I can give is facesitting. Say a guy's face is forcibly sat on as it tends to be in femdom, and yet doesn't perform cunnilingus. You'd say the facesitting doesn't apply because oral sex was not performed. Same thing for 69. The position is exactly the same, just the act performed differs.
#3077 by rampaa
2023-02-20 at 18:35
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I don't see how the separate traits for variations of oral sex are needed here
If I'm searching for characters who perform fellatio, I should be able to find them when I search for Engages in (Sexual) > Blowjob, even if they only perform it in the 69 position.
#3078 by beliar
2023-02-20 at 18:36
< report >Facesitting does not imply a mandatory mouth-genital contact, though. There is a word "typically" in the description, so, yes we do need to specify if a facesitting occurs concurrently with the oral sex or not. Oral-genital contact is mandatory for the 69.
#3079 by Mrkew
2023-02-20 at 18:37
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Facesitting does not imply a mandatory mouth-genital contact
Oh but it does on vndb, because its parent trait is oral sex. Just send the position to where it belongs, under Engages in (Sexual) > Sex Positions
#3080 by beliar
2023-02-20 at 18:38
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Just send the position to where it belongs
#3081 by Mrkew
2023-02-20 at 18:39
< report >No, not slavedriver, next to piledriver.
And I was talking about moving sixty-nine as well. Besides from outside sources agreeing with the fingering bit (link}, the "oral-anal contact" from facesitting description gave me something you can agree on. Sixty-nine can also be an anilingus, so there. No cunnilingus implied or necessary for the act, meaning they need to be applied together.Last modified on 2023-02-20 at 18:47
#3082 by catboy
2023-02-21 at 03:03
< report >Role > Gang Member should probably have the alias "Gangster"Last modified on 2023-02-21 at 03:04
#3083 by funnerific
2023-02-21 at 10:14
< report >So, who's the superior mod here? Can I remove "cunnilingus" if it's only sixty-nine?
#3084 by Mrkew
2023-02-21 at 11:31
< report >You still for some reason think that sixty-nine magically implies Engages in (Sexual) > Blowjob and Subject of (Sexual) > Cunnilingus for every single character it's applied to, despite it having no link to the character's or their partner's sex. Not only that, you also want to screw with search results, making any character who only receives or performs oral sex in the sixty-nine position not searchable using the traits linked above, despite 100% performing/receiving them. Sixty-nine is a position which can be used to perform various acts, while cunnilingus is an act which can be perfomed in various positions. Stop asking about power and think for one second. There is no reason to think a trait is unnecessary if it's applicable, unless it's covered by its child trait.
#3085 by funnerific
2023-02-21 at 11:35
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You still for some reason think that sixty-nine magically implies Engages in (Sexual) > Blowjob and Subject of (Sexual) > Cunnilingus for every single character it's applied to
No, I'm not saying it implies any of that. Those are different positions and should be tagged when they're separate from 69.
#3086 by Mrkew
2023-02-21 at 11:40
< report >They are not positions. Read. "Cunnilingus is the act of using the mouth, lips and tongue to stimulate the female genitals". Does that happen in this case? Yes. Then the trait should be applied. There is no exception that would say that some acts don't count when done in certain positions.Last modified on 2023-02-21 at 11:52
#3087 by beliar
2023-02-21 at 15:35
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So, who's the superior mod here?
It's Gambs, guys, it's always Gambs :-DDDDDD

I agree that Mrkew has a point, and each side of the 69 can involve either of the following oral attentions: cunnilingus, anilingus, blowjob, and 69 itself doesn't describe which of those acts are happening between participants. So, I think I agree that it's okay to add the separate oral sex traits in addition to the broad 69 trait where applicable.

Now, don't fight guys, 69 yourselves, and make up!
#3088 by JackDBS
2023-02-23 at 05:09
< report >Is this spoiler trait added on c3787.16 even true? I’ve played through the entirety of the game and that never happened. Am I missing something here?Last modified on 2023-02-23 at 05:10
#3089 by beliar
2023-02-23 at 15:33
< report >Many people assume that the guys Rena attacked in her previous school had sexually assaulted her. This, if I don't misremember, is never actually stated in the game, unless any of the adaptations make that statement. I don't think this trait applies to the game.Last modified on 2023-02-23 at 15:33
#3090 by JackDBS
2023-02-24 at 01:21
< report >Huh. Interesting. If so, I'm just gonna remove it.
#3091 by catboy
2023-02-25 at 01:37
< report >I have a question about the Subject of > Memory Alteration trait:

Is it only used in "magical" events such as isekai? Or does it also apply to cases such as the one found in Collar x Malice?

Basically, a microchip is implanted into various characters and with it they have the ability to hear a specific person's voice and listen to all their commands. When these characters are caught, the person in charge will use the microchip to wipe their memories and make them get amnesia.

Would this trait apply to those characters?
#3092 by tester
2023-02-26 at 11:54
< report >I suggest to approve the following personal pronouns.

1. Shoukan. (Move to "Personal pronouns" from "Talking patterns", as I don't see the edit button anymore).
Used, for instance, by Kusunoki Kaede.

2. Onore.
It could be applied, for instance, to Kagutsuchi Type 1.Last modified on 2023-02-26 at 12:06
#3093 by desann
2023-03-05 at 21:23
< report >Should Role > Girlfriend trait for heroines in typical eroge be spoilered? On the one hand usually heroine become girlfriend somewhere in the middle of the story (or even closer to the end sometimes) and this is something that usually spoiler, but on the other hand it's kind of expected in such games and not actually really spoiler.
Like, sexual tags are also may happen late in the story, but (almost) no one set spoiler on them (and I think it is correct).
#3094 by beliar
2023-03-05 at 21:29
< report >Typically no. If the character is an obvious heroine, it's expected that the protagonist will get with her in at least one route. So, even if it's a late game development, something that we expect to happen shouldn't be spoilers.
#3095 by Mrkew
2023-03-05 at 22:01
< report >As someone who sets them as spoilers, it's more about differentiating between characters who are already in a relationship at the start of the story and those who get in a relationship in the middle of the story, ie paired with tags Protagonist's Girlfriend as a Heroine or Heroine in Relationship with Other(s).Last modified on 2023-03-05 at 22:04
#3096 by desann
2023-03-07 at 05:23
< report >Should Engages in (Sexual) > Casual Sex be applied to characters who have romantic feelings to each other, but aren't officially in relationship (for any reason)?
The context for my question is Kiss Kara Hajimaru Gyaru no Koi ~Kurumi no Uwasa to Honto no Kimochi~ - both protagonist Tsutazawa Hiroki and heroine Hiiragi Kurumi in this VN have Engages in (Sexual) > Casual Sex trait, but I don't think it should apply for them. Protagonist and heroine there have sex when they have vague romantic feelings to each other and not dating. Yet they don't really treat that as casual thing, feel shy when thinking about it and kind of committed in relationship, so I don't really think Engages in (Sexual) > Casual Sex actually applied here.
I mean, casual sex for me sounds more like something like protagonists of Hataraku Otona no Ren'ai Jijou 2 series or Kasukabe Haru do - sex without any romantic feelings, and lumping both such characters and characters from Kiss Kara Hajimaru Gyaru no Koi ~Kurumi no Uwasa to Honto no Kimochi~ together like that seems incorrect for me. And if sex outside of relationships is enough to label it as Engages in (Sexual) > Casual Sex, than probably half of nukige characters where scenes happen before entering routes or characters from VNs with Defloration During Common Route should be marked with it, which also sounds incorrect for me.

At first I thought to just remove it and add reasoning in comment, but after some thinking I'm not completely sure about it (and reasoning become too long to add in comment) and wanted to hear other opinions.Last modified on 2023-03-07 at 05:42
#3097 by barfboy
2023-03-07 at 14:17
< report >I would consider 'casual sex' to be sex between people like
Princess Bride
Where the protagonist has sex with all the heroines to determine which one he'd like to marry. Or Kinkyuu Sengen - Onee-chan-tachi wa Shojo o Sotsugyou Shimasu!! where all the girls have sex with their brother so they can experience sex before being thrown into a loveless marriage.

I wouldn't use it for people who have any relation deeper than friends/classmates or at best siblings who want to explore sex without commitment. Is this a new tag? I've not heard of it yet but it sounds like it goes along with Role > Sex Friend

Applying it to nukige seems proper to me. Oh, it's a trait, not a tag. That makes it more interesting. I suppose 'sex friend' is for people who hook up more than once while 'casual sex' is more of a rare fling. I'm now with you on this one, I'm not sure how to use it either.Last modified on 2023-03-07 at 14:24
#3098 by machan12
2023-03-08 at 14:59
< report >I would like advice on the use of the Virgin Sex tag on an edge case. Souma Ayano is not a virgin during the story of Kyouhaku 3 ~Haruka ni Hibiku Hikari to Kage no Uta~. However, her actual defloration is shown in the game and has CGs. So she's no longer a virgin when the game starts, but we see her defloration anyway, so is it a case of Virgin Sex as well as Not a Virgin? Just Virgin Sex? Just Not a Virgin?Last modified on 2023-03-08 at 14:59
#3099 by Mrkew
2023-03-08 at 15:29
< report >Engages in (Sexual) > Virgin Sex (flashback) would solve this.
#3100 by Marc402
2023-03-08 at 16:26
< report >Subject of (Sexual) > Electric Shock (BDSM) and Subject of (Sexual) > Piercing Torture (BDSM) should have the sexual content property. Currently they don't and are showing up even with sexual traits not enabled.