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#1276 by darkness-weaver
2018-01-26 at 15:37
Thigh Length and Knee Length
I'm serious, there are hair lengths that are between waist length and ankle length. I'd like to categorize the characters that have them. Could a moderator please approve the these traits?Last modified on 2018-01-26 at 15:37
#1277 by infernoplex
2018-01-26 at 18:13
@darkness-weaver - The mod @nutellafan seems to have not been active in a while so you are gonna have to wait some time. It happened before, sometimes the tags/traits don't get approved for months and months...
#1278 by blue
2018-01-30 at 10:00
Requesting that the same (link) used for Half-Japanese also be applied to the word "half-Japanese" in the description of the potential "Quarter-Japanese" trait, should it meet with the moderators' approval.

I also noticed an error where I failed to add a proper line spacing under "This character is one quarter Japanese" in the trait description -- please rectify for me if possible.

I also ask to be pardoned should anyone find this an inconvenience as I am still not accustomed to adding non-VNDB links to any new entries and do not wish to mess up as new traits do not seem to editable once sent to the moderation queue.

On a partially relevant note, I would also like to suggest that traits Swedish, Finnish, and Dane be placed as child traits under the Nordic trait.Last modified on 2018-01-30 at 10:20
#1279 by wakaranai
2018-01-30 at 11:52
@1276 i hope it will be denied, it's way too subjective, especially considering the fact that tachi-e in most VNs are rarely shown below upper thigh. we have enough confusion already with long/waist length and short/shoulder length sometimes used interchangeably, even more gradations will add more chaos to this mess.

current set is more than enough.
#1280 by thewayfarer
2018-02-19 at 00:56
Can "cordial" be added to Friendly? They both mean the same thing.
#1281 by xiticix
2018-02-19 at 08:40
Anyone know if we have a subtrope of "standing" sex where the penetrated person is balancing on 1 leg and the other leg is held up into a sidesplit position?

I could've sworn I've seen that in some eroge though can't think of particular examples.

For example you see it in

1) link

2) link

3) link

4) link

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It's common enough the Japanese must have a slang for it by now...

Hm actually I was just searchign split+sex but more broadly standing_on_one_leg + sex gets better results: link

This is I think a unique enough variation from basic standing on 2 legs that it's be worth having a tag variation for.

link also has some interesting subtropes of standing which I think would make interesting tags:

1) Reverse Piggyback - standing face-to-face postition with female being carried by male

2) Dancer - standing face-to-face position with female raising one leg

3) Bodyguard - spooning motion in a standing position where both partners are upright

Also a good subtrope for cowgirl:

4) Acrobat - reverse cowgirl position with the female completely bent back to the male torso

2-4 would need some renaming (perhaps append "Position") to avoid confusing with jobs.Last modified on 2018-02-19 at 08:47
#1282 by savagetiger
2018-02-19 at 10:21
How many times have we said it so far tyciol. The point of the sex position overhaul was to get rid of excess position tags. The tag mods won't approve any extra no matter the slight variation.Last modified on 2018-02-19 at 10:21
#1283 by xiticix
2018-02-22 at 08:56
Side missionary looked like a pretty good idea, it falls in between normal and reverse missionary.

What seems strange to me is Armpit Sex has 115 results... shouldn't anything else which we could realistically expect to get that many results also get its own tag?

I gotta assume that standing w/ 1 leg (perhaps we could nickname it the 'flamingo' class?) has got to be more common than armpit sex.

Butterfly has 2 subtropes so why not standing as well?
#1284 by savagetiger
2018-03-05 at 13:27
Discipline Committee Member should have the alias 'Morals Committee Member' and 風紀委員
#1285 by xiticix
2018-03-08 at 09:09
Notice some weirdness regarding adjectives "double" v "twin" usage...

subject Twin Handjob engager Twin Handjob "two people use their hands to perform an handjob on a single penis"

engager Double Handjob "a single person use each one of his hands to perform an handjob on two different penises"

engager Twin Blowjob subject Twin Blowjob "a blowjob performed by two people at the same time on a single person"

The last has the alias "Double Blowjob"

Shouldn't that actually be its own "engages in" reflecting a single person using their mouth on two different penises simultaneously? Just like the double handjob?

I'm sure I've seen that often enough for it to be noteworthy...

For example link shows 2 penises in a girl's mouth simultaneously, though more often we'd probably see a protruding tongue making contact with 2 simultaneously externally, like in link

I'm sure 1mouth2dicks occurs less often than 2mouths1dick, but it still seems notable enough to deserve the "double" adjective like we do with handjobs.Last modified on 2018-03-08 at 09:15
#1286 by carboncopy
2018-03-11 at 04:45
@1281 i think that's called the ballerina position
#1287 by thewayfarer
2018-03-21 at 14:22
I just noticed that Short's height number requirement is now 145cm.

If I recall, the original minimum requirement was 140cm. When was this changed to 145cm?Last modified on 2018-03-21 at 22:35
#1288 by bobjr2000
2018-03-25 at 00:55
Brought this up on game post earlier. Virgin vs deflowering.

Didn't think it was common or that important but now that I am starting to be able to cite more VN were this scenario is common believe should have its own trait. Not to mention this only small window of VN I am playing, sure there is more out there an more to come.

Virgin which can be applied to men and women should be about some one's lack of sexual experience. In that it should be close to zero having no real sexual intimacy outside of kissing/making out, stuff you could do in public that would be generally socially accepted.

-A woman can break her hymen without ever having sex yet she and most of world will still consider her a virgin until she does have sexual acts with another person.

Deflowering which is usually referred to female virginity mostly associated with hymen being torn. Trait would only be applied to women and will be just the act of hymen being torn. It does not state woman's personal sexual experience. Anyone with common sense will you tell you that sex is more than just intercourse.

-If a woman is giving every guy in town blowjobs, handjobs, boobjobs ect but she still has her hymen intact most people at least vanilla wise wouldn't not consider her a virgin and might even have more sexual exp than nonvirgins.

Not making a trait because obviously having both would be nonsense and adding clutter since they both could go hand in hand majority of time. But do believe should be a child trait to distinguish them. Some one mention "Bitch virgin" as example or even "slutty virgin". Personal I think "Experience virgin" is not a bad one since it could cover everything in between. Some one doing sexual acts with different person every day or some one just happen to have some sexual experience outside of intercourse.
#1289 by blue
2018-04-03 at 23:06
One of the newer traits - Cheerful - is currently a child trait under Outgoing and should probably instead be a child trait of Carefree. Both traits seem to go hand in hand with each other; Cheerful characters would have to already possess at least a fair degree of the Carefree trait in order to be a smiling, upbeat and lighthearted character, thus fitting the definition of "Cheerful". Another reason would be that both traits are more related to general mood while Outgoing is instead more related to social interactions. Cheerful characters also do not necessarily have to be Outgoing - they can also be happy, smiling individuals while staying reserved and generally away from social contact. Therefore, "Cheerful" could serve as a more suitable child and variant trait to "Carefree", with this supposed parent trait serving as a prerequisite.Last modified on 2018-04-04 at 00:00
#1290 by thewayfarer
2018-04-04 at 06:53
What was the first link in Slit Dress supposed to show originally?

It led me to what I believe is a domain that doesn't exist (yet?).
#1291 by haddock
2018-04-06 at 15:42
Twin Braids is only a subcategory of Multiple Braids I think it should also be a subcategory of Twin Tails

Multiple Braids is only a subcategory of Braid, I think it should also be a subcategory of Multiple Tails

we can see this kind of multiple-parent structure done correctly on Braided Odango a nd its parent Odango, it just needs to be done for its predecessorsLast modified on 2018-04-06 at 15:43
#1292 by thewayfarer
2018-04-14 at 09:05
One of the links in Cupless Corset no longer exists.
#1293 by savagetiger
2018-05-11 at 04:24
Grey hair and Gray eyes each use a different spelling.
#1294 by thewayfarer
2018-05-17 at 21:43
Should Not Sexually Involved only apply to characters who appeared in VN with sexual content? I suspect this would even be applied to characters who appeared visual novels that don't have h-scenes, and flooding its library.Last modified on 2018-05-17 at 21:44
#1295 by eacil
2018-05-17 at 23:29
Not really because you search for sexually involved characters and you get not sexually involved ones from the batch of non-eroge? There is no way to remove characters based on release/VN. It means that if you search for characters of non-eroge, you can't with your way. Though, I understand that you can't perfectly discriminate between non/eroge and find a perfect character not sexually involved from an eroge, which makes you fail at your search.
In fact, I wished a query would be performed to add this trait to every character not linked to any eroge because, yes, this is not done (I understand, you don't think about sexual traits when filling those charas). Or, better way, you remove this trait from non eroge charas like you said and create a "non-eroge character" trait so we can find sexually involved character only, not sexually involved characters from eroge or non-eroge or both.Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 08:26
#1296 by thewayfarer
2018-05-18 at 05:16
#1295
A search for a *broad* list of tagged characters with the "not involved" trait who've appeared in eroge games mixed in with characters in non-eroge. If you wanted to narrow out a specific subject within the same category, you could use *Filters*. Or, you could just search raw for Visual Novels for characters in a specific category, ie *Tags.*
However, and just as you said, if you want to search for characters who appeared in eroge or non-eroge, there must be a way to interconnect filters from both the character and the VN search at the same, and it'd be too redundant to ask for a child trait of it just because of lacking search utilities. A simple solution for those looking for complex results, if it were that simpler to say, would it not?Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 09:38
#1297 by thewayfarer
2018-05-21 at 07:20
I see that my Bedlah trait got approved.

Just wanted to point out, I used the wrong character source for Example 2. It was supposed to be Elsterrier Marigold.Last modified on 2018-05-21 at 07:20
#1298 by warfoki
2018-05-21 at 13:04
Well, took care of things on this page (aside of the traits stuck in queue, will get on that). I know I'm replying some pretty old comments here, but still:

@1285 Blowbang and Blowbang are exactly for that. I realize that following the naming convention on the site I should add "Double Blowjob" as an alias to this, and not "Twin Blowjob", the issue is that that only makes sense if you are already familiar with said naming convention and in a general sense it makes more... sense, to have it attached to "Twin Blowjob".

Also, no more sex positions, period. Wer got the most popular / recognizable ones covered and that's that. This isn't the Kamasutra.

@1294 Not Sexually Involved applies to every character that is not involved in sex, regardless whether the VN itself has sex scenes or not. So theoretically every all ages VN characters should be tagged with it. Practically most people forget and only tag it when the character not having sex is an outlier (like in a Nukige).Last modified on 2018-05-21 at 13:05
#1299 by beliar
2018-05-22 at 18:07
With my newfound tag/trait mod privileges I have been looking at the tag/trait queue, approving some, deleting more... I would like to hear the community opinion about some of the traits left:
Yobai - Haven't heard about that until now. An interesting trait, which poses me a dilemma. If I did approve it, should the trait only be used in a historical context for period novels only, or should a definition be expanded and the trait used for any event, where the guy sneaks into the girl's bed?
Quick ejaculator and Premature ejaculator - Eh, batoo. I probably made him cry, as I denied most of his suggested traits/tags. Anyway, if I did approve the trait, I would obviously merge those two proposals into one. The question is, do we really need it? How would we even discern if a character is a premature ejaculator, short of him or other characters actually saying it out loud?
Punishment Spanking, Non-Erotic Spanking, Non-Erotic Spanking - My question is relevance. Are there enough VNs with characters dishing out or receiving non-erotic spanking? Do we need this trait? Do we even need both instances (engages / subject of) or would 'subject of' be enough?
Other Route Sex with Others, Avoidable Sex with Others, Sex with Others (Off Screen) - More batoo proposals. This time I actually find some merit in those. I'm inclined to throw out Sex with Others (Off Screen) and approve the two others. What do you think?
Morbid - I find the trait vague, but maybe it can be improved? What do you think?
Suspension - I seriously dislike the title of this trait. Just by reading the title I thought it related to a BDSM practice or a chemical composition. But maybe it's just me...
Temporary Protagonist - I'm not sure we need this. I suppose the trait was intended for someone like Rin from FSN. However I personally think that a tag like Other Perspectives is enough and we don't really need to mark the specific short term protags. Maybe it's just me...
Inverted Piledriver - I read 'No More Sexual Positions!' somewhere in a traits thread...
Knee Length, Thigh Length - I'm ready to nuke those two. We really don't need any more splitting hairs. har har Anyway, the character sprites are usually not shown below their waists, thus in many cases it would be hard to determine if the hair is very long, thigh long or knee long.
Mean - I read the description and I think I would still confuse the trait with "cruel" when the time came. I'm inclined to nuke it, so input please.
Onomatopoese - Have nothing either for or again the trait. Might approve it if there are no particular objections.
Tokusatsu Armor - I'm afraid that users will use the trait for any kind of fantasy armor, instead of doing it only for superheroes.
Paladin - An extremely specific trait. I personally think that the "Knight" trait is enough, especially because the Paladin is such a western name and the characters fighting for a divine entity in JP fiction are not usually called by that name.
Feminization - Oh, the trait of traits that has stumped our best minds for over 15 months! Anyway, I think you are overthinking things here guys. The trait should be added as a pure fetish trait and that's it. Of course, there is always the danger that users will start adding the trait to every crossdresser and trans character. However, the tag with the same name already exists and it doesn't seem it has been abused. And I believe we can moderate one trait if and when it goes out of rails, no? The only thing I want to add, I do not believe it should belong to "engages in", but rather "subject of", as in majority of cases feminization has a coercion element going alongside it.
#1300 by sakurakoi
2018-05-22 at 20:11
Yobai - Haven't heard about that until now. An interesting trait, which poses me a dilemma. If I did approve it, should the trait only be used in a historical context for period novels only, or should a definition be expanded and the trait used for any event, where the guy sneaks into the girl's bed?

What about the girl crawling? Seriously, apart from that I only know Night Crawling (just let us name it that, no need to flood the db with Japanese terms no one knows) from a certain novel with Punishment Spanking, there is already Sleep Sex so that trait would only encompass "with the intent for the target to be awake during xxx"

Quick ejaculator and Premature ejaculator - Eh, batoo. I probably made him cry, as I denied most of his suggested traits/tags. Anyway, if I did approve the trait, I would obviously merge those two proposals into one. The question is, do we really need it? How would we even discern if a character is a premature ejaculator, short of him or other characters actually saying it out loud?
too many problems (like said, definition is subjective) and too little merit

Punishment Spanking, Non-Erotic Spanking, Non-Erotic Spanking - My question is relevance. Are there enough VNs with characters dishing out or receiving non-erotic spanking? Do we need this trait? Do we even need both instances (engages / subject of) or would 'subject of' be enough?
can't we just call the existing tag just spanking? Whether it is sexual or not is subjective anyway and can be seen as "erotic" anyway.

Other Route Sex with Others, Avoidable Sex with Others, Sex with Others (Off Screen) - More batoo proposals. This time I actually find some merit in those. I'm inclined to throw out Sex with Others (Off Screen) and approve the two others. What do you think?
Only Avoidable Sex with Others, it can also encompass Other Route Sex with Others by defining it as that they do not have sex with others on their route or that it can be avoided.

Morbid - I find the trait vague, but maybe it can be improved? What do you think?
Suspension - I seriously dislike the title of this trait. Just by reading the title I thought it related to a BDSM practice or a chemical composition. But maybe it's just me...
Eh (x2)
... (x2)
No, very niche, too niche (x2)

Temporary Protagonist - I'm not sure we need this. I suppose the trait was intended for someone like Rin from FSN. However I personally think that a tag like Other Perspectives is enough and we don't really need to mark the specific short term protags. Maybe it's just me...
In a way it'd be really nice if one is able to see their perspective and for how long, after all many main character are actually protagonists of their own routes like Sei Shoujo ~Seido Ikusei Gakuen~. I do not think however that this trait nails that. Perspective is very important.

Inverted Piledriver - I read 'No More Sexual Positions!' somewhere in a traits thread...
Certainly not the first sexual trait one should approve but I still wonder about this supposed policy, who actually agreed to it and why not le admin made that decision&statement.

Knee Length, Thigh Length[...]
Yeah... no

Mean
we already have many more traits which would show in what way a character may actually be mean (like bullying and teasing)

Onomatopoese
Gesundheit. Seriously, Made-up Words should already cover it. nya, robo and whatever are ofc made up words based on whatever

Tokusatsu Armor - I'm afraid that users will use the trait for any kind of fantasy armor, instead of doing it only for superheroes.
I'd rename it to "Masked Hero Armor"

Paladin
I'd at best name it "Holy Warrior" and make it cover all "Knights" in the service of a church or likewise organization which is not the state

Feminization
please at least add an exception to the exception:

"What NOT to consider feminization:
- VN where a characther wakes up in a girl body or he magically gender bend keeping is male beahviour (<---typo spotted, thanks browser ) and mentality." + Only add it if the character accepts their change and becomes female.

Sure, many gender bender VNs have routes where chars accept their female body&mind but that is precisely the point those into TSF look for.

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