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#1351 by wakaranai
2018-06-26 at 18:58
Housewife should have Wife as a parent tag obviously (all characters tagged with Housewife are implied to be Wife). every housewife is a wife, not every wife is housewife, so tags relation should stay as it is.
#1352 by minah
2018-06-26 at 19:17
Not every character who takes a housewife role is a wife in the literal/legal sense. Aside from male homemaker characters (I was thinking of Roger Mantis when I posted, but I'm sure others exist), Tezuka Yayoi is tagged with Housewife and Domestic Partner.

EDIT: @1350 Didn't realize that. Making a new parent Homemaker tag would probably make the most sense for organization, then.Last modified on 2018-06-26 at 20:26
#1353 by wakaranai
2018-06-26 at 20:10
^ then it's a mistag, because Housewife clearly says "Housewife is a term used to describe a married woman".
#1354 by beliar
2018-06-27 at 16:28
I also didn't realize that characters are marked with a Housewife trait only, skipping the Wife altogether. In that case making a Homemaker meta trait is probably the only viable option. Any objections?
#1355 by armony
2018-07-02 at 15:22
Short Hime Cut is in a state of mess. It seems to be misused more often than used correctly, judging by the images of tagged characters. It is also underused, ATM there are only 59 characters tagged with the trait, even though it was created 5 years ago. IMO, the trait should be either deleted or purged. In the latter case, it should be also given better description, since the current one doesn't differentiate between regular bob cut with blunt bangs and short hair with hime sidelocks. Or was it intended? If that's the case, I don't think it's a good idea, since hime sidelocks are defining part of the hime cut.

Here are some examples of possibly mistagged characters (I'm unfamiliar with the characters, so I guess some of them may have Short Hime Cut as an alternate hairstyle?):

Looks like regular bob cut to me: Aizawa Tobari, Chinatsu, Dorothy, Nanajou Kako, Shiro, Youko

Short hair with long sidehair: Izumi Kaname, Kamishiro Kotori, Karen, Kei, Kushinada Nadeshiko, Mizukoshi Mako

Wrong bangs: Akabane Saki, Doujima Yusa, Misono Nozomi, Nagare Setsuko, Nakahane Hijiri, Nishikouji Miyo, Yumei

Long hair: Filia (and wrong bangs), Hijirisawa Miyu, Kirishima Sana (she has a long braid), Sayo, Senkimaru, Takeuchi Mami, Tokisaka Tomo
#1356 by savagetiger
2018-07-02 at 23:36
^It's gotten messed up again in the last three years? t3314.635
It was a bigger mess before and was basically tagged to anything with 'hime bangs' no matter what the rest of the hair was like.
The current description does mention the side pieces which a regular blunt bang bob shouldn't have.
#1357 by thewayfarer
2018-07-07 at 03:52
Reptilian Tail's alias "Lamia tail" should be its own and separate trait, and in Tail. Along with merfolk tails (if it does count), it's getting mixed up with tails as part of the character's anatomical features and a tail acting as "legs", which would make make it difficult to distinguish between the two within the trait itself.

I tried suggesting a generalized trait name of it but one of the alias I described hit the VNDB's duplicate detector which lead me to Reptilian Tail aforementioned.

(BUG: The error message's link lead me to Aikawa Saitou instead. I reported it shortly after.)Last modified on 2018-07-07 at 04:33
#1358 by wakaranai
2018-07-18 at 10:54
i suggest slightly change Kitsuneme description to read
The eyes of this character are closed most of the time.
instead of "are always closed." further it describes character personalities and usually when they "explode" they're drawn with their eyes open to emphasize change of mood.
#1359 by harleyquin
2018-07-22 at 07:53

There's a distinct difference between vision impairment and blindness, but Kanbayashi Mizuki is considered blind when it's supposed to be bad vision in one eye with the other working fine. Someone do something about it? I know someone who has the same issue (cataract in one eye) but me and the person would ensure anyone who called that person blind would end up the same way if we could help it.
#1360 by thewayfarer
2018-07-22 at 07:58
As I've already said before: Blindness in medical term only describe visual impairment. It can be partial or complete. It is the accepted medical term. I've done my research and already proficient in health and sciences project to fully understand what these sensory problems really mean.

In this case, a user claims that one of Kanbayashi Mizuki's eye is very weak. This is the symptom of partial blindness. If she has visual impairment whether she's completely blinded in one eye or just weak in one side, then she is partially blinded as having one eye with impaired visual sense can throw off the balance of her depth perception. If that's really bothering you, you could just use an eyepatch.

There is nothing wrong with the trait I added (c23306.19). It is merely following the medical diagnosis of the term. Yet, this is what I get for doing my homework in High School. *shrugs*Last modified on 2018-07-22 at 08:26
#1361 by harleyquin
2018-07-22 at 08:13
Good luck going through each and every character with an eyepatch and adding the blindness term then. That's going to be fun, considering they all see perfectly well with the remaining eye and aren't considered blind in any way.

"Health and Sciences Project" = I'm the most qualified doctor on earth despite not going to medical school. Not the first time I've seen this user show off his ability to peddle false information. If the WHO doesn't qualify someone as legally blind when they have full competence with at least one good eye, I don't know what to think except the trait in question needing further elaboration.

I suppose the next thing we'll see next is people blind in one eye qualifying for the Paralympics for the visually impaired events. That is after all what the great health and science expert wayfarer is implying with his definition of "blindness".Last modified on 2018-07-22 at 08:15
#1362 by thewayfarer
2018-07-22 at 08:44
First of all harley, you're attacking me by just poking fun at my proficiency. I'm here trying to set my grounds with a healthy compromise while you just want to wreck the competition by any means just to enforce your own 'view'.

Second, I have already stated my point what blindness is. It is already the universal term that even WHO already states "visual impairment" on their page. Whether your eyes are giving you a problem with your visual sensory, one or two, that's visual impairment. Generally speaking: Blindness.Last modified on 2018-07-22 at 08:53
#1363 by harleyquin
2018-07-22 at 08:49
Get your eyes checked. It appears you're legally blind since you mouth off before doing your research.

Low vision and blindness were defined according to the World Health Organization (WHO) and North American criteria for the better-seeing eye (Table 1). (Emphasis on better-seeing eye)

From: link

Which part of "Better seeing eye" refers to the one with impaired vision when there's another eye that functions normally. I don't know, maybe someone with impaired cognitive reading might be able to answer that.

What matters isn't what the great user with expertise from a health and sciences project knows, it's what the official definition is being used worldwide and how that is reflected in the VNDB trait. I propose the trait be updated to stop under-21 smart arses from imposing their incorrect definitions based on faulty research.Last modified on 2018-07-22 at 08:51
#1364 by thewayfarer
2018-07-22 at 09:40
Right, well, harley continues to attack me and I don't see how we two can properly discuss with each other... It's about to become a flame war. So I'm just gonna stop there and let this "enforcer" run their mouth off.

Let's just start over. I'm just gonna start a fresh argument based on the blindness debate... But this time: A trait discussion.

So, we have like a person who is blind in one-eye. Like Kanbayashi Mizuki. I just put in Blindness based on a user's feedback that they're blinded in one eye. So I just put that trait because she's blinded in one eye. Then later, I see the trait get removed due to another user claiming she's weak in one eye. I'll agree to that, however, it generally means they have blindness. Partially, to be specific. Then another user starts to become too adamant with my revision and soon it becomes a short-lived edit war because...I'm just gonna say they're becoming *toxic*.

So I did some more digging about "one-eyed", just to prove blindness is the general term in the case of one-eyed (partial) blindness. Then I find the word "Amblyopia", the partial or complete loss of vision in one eye. Simple enough to say other than adding in all other possible disorders that causes the one-eyed symptom. Seems to be the correct term for someone who is partially blind in one eye. However, I find several health-related traits have been denied (Infertile, Decapitation, Psychopathic) traits due to possibility of misapplication of the traits and repetition, too. And maybe possibly that only *one* person could use the trait. But unless we state here that there are more than one person who use this trait, guess that'll get approved.

Yet, if the specific health trait "Amblyopia" may not get approved, should we just use Blindness just to describe a person who is blind or impaired in one eye while fine in the other? The trait itself is only describing "lacking visual perception," but it seems people rather use this on characters "who can't see" or "have no eyesight." I guess there are those who don't know a lot more about 'visual impairment' due to limited health study, but people are there to state reason.Last modified on 2018-07-22 at 09:50
#1365 by harleyquin
2018-07-22 at 10:56
The wikipedia link for visual impairment is included in the trait description. Since that's the same article which the "researcher" used as a springboard for lazy eye syndrome (which I have a mild version of), there shouldn't be any mistaking the last sentence of the first paragraph which says:

"The term blindness is used for complete or nearly complete vision loss."

The above sentence is fairly clear-cut. Despite attempts by individuals who believe random and out-of-context quotes of eye conditions constitute "serious research" to enforce their blatant attempts at falsehoods and "alternative facts", I propose (again) that the VNDB trait definition be rewritten to tighten up the definition.
#1366 by krykry
2018-07-22 at 13:44
On the blindness topic: regardless of the scientific definition of blindness, what the trait should be referring to is complete blindness.

For informative purposes, if anyone sees "blindness" tag they will immediately assume that the character is incapable of seeing at all or becomes such in the process of the story, which could be wrong in cases as the one that came up. As is right now, blindness tag does disinformation rather than being informative in the aforementioned case.

I think the Disability trait covers partial blindness perfectly fine. Mind, that disability's definition on the trait is:
"The character is a subject of disability. The disability may be physical, cognitive, mental, sensory, emotional, developmental or some combination of these."

Partial sight impairment is perfectly covered by "sensory" mentioned in the trait. As defined by definition of:
"Sensory impairment is when one of your senses; sight, hearing, smell, touch, taste and spatial awareness, is no longer normal. "Last modified on 2018-07-22 at 21:49
#1367 by thewayfarer
2018-07-23 at 00:32
I guess you could say it would clash with those who simply know how "cannot see" works and for those who fully understand blindness (like me). It could lead to in-fights. Though for you "disability" suggestion, it does seem close enough in this case of sensory problems and I 'agree' on that, but would anybody think it counts for problem eyesight? I know what a "disability" means too and it has a LOT of meaning. So it's too broad for the word itself.

Back to topic about blindness, changing the description is a simple solution, but there might be people who tend to not look under the cover. A specific trait would work out efficiently but they're pretty much worried about traits not being used enough.
#1368 by krykry
2018-07-23 at 07:21
It's common sense in English that a person with a "disability" has one or more body functions that aren't working as intended. Heck, Blindness is Disability's child tag, as is Color blindness.

PS: Kanbayashi Mizuki isn't completely blind even on her one eye, her "blind" eye can still see to an extent in good light, though very blurry if I remember correctly.Last modified on 2018-07-23 at 07:37
#1369 by carboncopy
2018-07-29 at 16:44
Blindness as defined by the U.S. definition is the best-corrected visual acuity of 6/60 or worse (=20/200) in the better-seeing eye. Blindness is defined by U.S. definition 20/200 best-corrected visual acuity in the better-seeing eye and the World Health Organization standard of < 20/400.

operative phrase being "better-seeing eye". definition is from the national eye institute, but beyond that, it's common knowledge what blindness is. isn't the purpose of this site supposedly to neatly categorize and make finding things easier for the average layman?
#1370 by thewayfarer
2018-08-02 at 06:26
Alright, here's separate trait discussion... (hopefully)

Hair Ribbon should become a meta trait. The trait itself is too vague to use, but its child traits should be specific enough.Last modified on 2018-08-02 at 07:48
#1371 by thewayfarer
2018-08-04 at 07:33
Where's this "Spell Casting" trait in Magician? Is it removed or something? If it is, that third comma section should be removed and those first two sentences should be explanatory enough.
#1372 by thewayfarer
2018-08-05 at 05:25
I would like to discuss about the School Jacket trait I suggested, which got denied. If you want the [short version], skip to the bottom of this message.

It seems like the "gakuran" alias I made didn't detect School Uniform because of the parentheses. But that isn't the case here: I want to discuss the reason for why this trait should exist since it lacks the ability to apply it ahead before approval.

What I'd like to see are characters with conventional Japanese school uniforms like the ones you see in real life. There's already Sailor Suit so that we can find girls who wear Seifuku school uniforms and I already have enough shares for these girls. Now I'd like to see if there are any boys wearing those "School Turtleneck Jackets" but that's gonna be hard because all the boys...they always wear shirts and trousers all the time. If I just black "shirt" from the search, then that would opt out characters who "did" wear shirts. And that's also a problem because I suspect they're not going to approve "Buttoned Shirts." For that, it is why I'd like to suggest School Jacket so that we can find characters who wore these boy's School Jackets.

Think about it: Visual Novels are a Japan thing and pretty much the entire concept are just all High School Students who meet and makeout. Same old, same old school-life story. And all these characters, they'd be in Japanese School Uniform, right? Since the "Gakuran" is a school uniform jacket associated with the Japanese School Uniform system, and that it's a Japanese thing, it should be an encouraged trait since you tend to find lots of characters in Visual Novels with High School settings.

School Uniform is already being inflated with tons of characters and we need specific traits like the School Jacket suggestion and even the separate Sailor Suit to narrow out characters of interests to find specific characters we need. And emerse ourselves in design for intrigue and sentimental values.

[SHORT VERSION] We may likely find male School Uniform characters with the Japanese Gakuran shirt. Visual Novels are a Japanese media, many which always take place in Japanese High Schools. So its alias "Gakuran" should be turned into a child trait of School Uniform.Last modified on 2018-08-05 at 05:28
#1373 by savagetiger
2018-08-05 at 11:38
Your mistake with that trait was trying to get around the alias issue by making something with a vague name. Also varsity jackets and gakurans are so different in terms of looks that they shouldn't be combined under one trait.

I do agree that 'Gakuran' should be a separate child trait to School Uniform rather than an alias though. t3314.1267Last modified on 2018-08-05 at 11:39
#1374 by thewayfarer
2018-08-05 at 13:00
To be frank, I wasn't aware there was *already* an alias for that with School Uniform when I was suggesting the School Jacket trait. Couldn't decide whether original Japanese text should have its own line in the alias section.

But after awhile, now that you and I think about it, Gakuran makes more sense and should be the trait to be approved and childed. I suppose I should shelf "Varisity Jacket" for now until I find more of these among the characters in the database.Last modified on 2018-08-05 at 13:22
#1375 by thewayfarer
2018-08-07 at 04:33
Sigh. Yet another user wants to disagree my ability. All because I know how to identify characters. No I'm serious: I've been intriguing myself in a variety of character designs and I'm savvy enough to identify them.

Kurotori Fubuki's hairstyle is similar to Hime Cut. Blunt bangs, medium fringe, straight hair, long hair, and no other additional features. So it qualifies as Hime Cut. But, I mean, does it always have to be the case with the sidelocks at medium-length distance between the chin or shoulders? Before this incursion happened, I've looked up other variations of the hair style and after a few examples, some with long sidelocks and even different hair length, it's clear they qualify as hime cuts. Hence to why the trait's wikipedia link has the "Variation" header underneath:

Variants of the sidelocks have also been seen, such as longer sidelocks sometimes pulled in front of the ears and lack of frontal fringe with only the sidelocks present. The sidelocks may also sometimes appear shorter (as is the case with Ai Enma from Hell Girl, whose bangs cover her eyebrows and sidelocks are cut level with her mouth). Another example is the Vocaloid Megurine Luka in which her sidelocks appear to be layered from the mouth level down to the neck.

The hair is also sometimes worn short in a variant of a pageboy, or cropped short in the back such as the personification of Japan in Hetalia: Axis Powers. The style is sometimes paired with odango, as worn by Fushigi Yūgi character Miaka Yuki, or worn one-sided, such as the character of Miyu from Vampire Princess Miyu. In the late 1970s a variation of the style was worn by actress Louise Lasser as the title character on Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.

I suggest the trait be written to require certain variables like blunt bangs (primarily), front fringes, straight hair, long hair (or in case of Short Hime Cut, short), and no additional hair features.

Here are some examples of variations of the hime cut I digged up. Mostly long length hair, actually:
Example 1 (Semi-NFSW; 7 examples)
Example 2
Example 3
Example 4
Example 5Last modified on 2018-08-07 at 04:34


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