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#1651 by thewayfarer
2019-03-03 at 10:24
Sex on Beach should be marked as Sexual Content.
#1652 by eacil
2019-03-04 at 04:42
Can we do something about the Pregnancy trait not being flagged as sexual or spoiler but which keep spoiling pregnancy endings the moment you open the character tab and see a row of Subject of Pregnancy?
I guess it won't be flagged as sexual or as spoiler so can we have a separate trait for nukige?
#1653 by beliar
2019-03-05 at 21:15
And the description for Furry should make it clear that it applies to anthropomorphic animals like the alias says, rather than all characters with fur.
The Furry trait is altogether a mess. Just a casual look at the traited characters reveals that it has been used in at least three different instances: a) for anthropomorphic animals; b) for actual animals covered in fur and c) for characters that only have a single animal characteristic, like ears or a tail. Me thinks it's a bit too late to split the trait into two. My tentative suggestion is to add a clarifier that reads something like this: "Use the trait for beings whose body is entirely or in large part covered in fur. For antropomorphic animals use the trait together with Humanoid (Non-human)."
And I think the trait shouldn't be used for characters that display only minor animal characteristics, so I don't think it fits for characters like Ame and Tuyu or Anua.

Can we do something about the Pregnancy trait not being flagged as sexual or spoiler but which keep spoiling pregnancy endings the moment you open the character tab and see a row of Subject of Pregnancy?
I guess it won't be flagged as sexual or as spoiler so can we have a separate trait for nukige?
If someone doesn't flag spoilers correctly, it's the problem with the user, not necessarily the trait. I see it a folly to separate plot based pregnancy from pure fetish pregnancy. First of all, there are already way too many traited characters to sift through them and separate into too categories, and secondly, pregnancy in VNs (that are not outright fetishist nukiges) frequently serves both functions - it's both a plot device and a fetish factor.
Frankly, I can see an argument to set the trait to "minor spoiler" going forward. Of course it's frequently not a spoiler trait in fetish nukiges, but I can see how it could be beneficial for plotges. And it's only a minor issue if someone forgets to remove the spoiler setting after adding the trait, in comparison to someone forgetting to ADD a spoiler setting. Unless there is a particular objection, I could do that.Last modified on 2019-03-05 at 21:16
#1654 by savagetiger
2019-04-04 at 06:33
Atai should be a separate trait and not an alias of Atashi.
#1655 by wakaranai
2019-04-04 at 10:57
> The Furry trait is altogether a mess.
yeah, instead of fixing it lets indulge it by changing trait definition! good job mate, keep it up.

jeez, i miss warfoki inactivity so much...
#1656 by entra
2019-04-04 at 12:08
Unless there is a particular objection, I could do that.
Please do! Games where it's a fetish feature are highly likely to have the VN tagged.

Related, Inbreeding should be marked sexual.Last modified on 2019-04-04 at 12:16
#1657 by beliar
2019-04-04 at 21:28
Please do! Games where it's a fetish feature are highly likely to have the VN tagged.
As there were no objections in a month, I'm setting Pregnancy to "minor spoiler".

Related, Inbreeding should be marked sexual.
Not sure about that. It's very possible to have inbreeding in a VN, without any on-screen sexual event happening. For example, you might learn that a heroine's mother and father are also brother and sister. They would be subjected to the trait, without it actually being sexual content. The same as pregnancy is not set as sexual content either.

Atai should be a separate trait and not an alias of Atashi.
Removed "atai" as an alias. You can now make a separate trait for it.

yeah, instead of fixing it lets indulge it by changing trait definition! good job mate, keep it up.
Do I hear some twittering in the peanut gallery? If the birdie could spare a minute not to be a smart alec, and would provide actual working solutions, I would be insanely gratified.
On that topic, I honestly think that changing the definition in this case would actually fix the trait, so unless there will be better suggestions, I will implement my musings in the previous post.

Sex on Beach should be marked as Sexual Content.
Did that one a long time ago.

A demigod is half mortal, half god. Lisianthus is Half Demon, Half God. There is nothing mortal about her. If possible can we restore Half-god to the traits list and delete Demigod?
Maybe the current main title and an alias can be switched, so "Half-God" is the main name and "Demigod" is an alias. The description would require minimal tinkering. I think that wouldn't break anything. Thoughts?Last modified on 2019-04-04 at 21:29
#1658 by savagetiger
2019-04-05 at 03:04
There's only 8 pages of characters tagged with Furry, it's not too many to go through manually.
We could make either a separate Anthro Animal trait with Furry as an alias. Or make a separate Fur trait for animal characters with fur.
#1659 by entra
2019-04-05 at 04:08
They would be subjected to the trait, without it actually being sexual content
Unless I'm being dim, couldn't you apply that logic to most traits in the Engages in tree? e.g. Drunk Sex could actually happen off-screen but still be sexual? The sibling traits do appear to be marked.

If you still disagree, could it be given the same treatment and defaulted to minor spoiler if no-one objects?
#1660 by beliar
2019-04-06 at 11:22
Unless I'm being dim, couldn't you apply that logic to most traits in the Engages in tree?
Well, you see, "sex" would be sexual content, but "pregnancy" that results from it is not sexual content. The same way, "incest" is regarded as a sexual content, but "inbreeding" is not sexual content, because it's only a consequence of a previous sexual act.

We could make either a separate Anthro Animal trait with Furry as an alias. Or make a separate Fur trait for animal characters with fur.
Ok, let's try to see how it goes.
"Anthropomorphic Animal (alias: Furry) (a child trait of Humanoid (Non-human)) - a bipedal hybrid of an animal in a humanoid form. For a character to be considered anthropomorphic animal, either human and animal traits should be pronounced in about equal measure or the latter should be dominant.
Do not use the trait to describe characters that look mostly human, but have minor animal characteristics, like animal ears (use Kemonomimi instead) or a tail (use Tail)."

Furry could stay the same, only its title would be changed to Fur, and the current alias would be removed.

Obviously that would mean, Anthropomorphic Animal and Fur traits could be used together, if the Anthro is actually covered in Fur.

Any amendments to the proposition?
#1661 by thewayfarer
2019-04-07 at 23:57
#1660
No objections with me. We can finally sort out the 'new' anthro characters and finding old ones just by searching two traits at the same time (Humanoid (Non-human), Fur).

Speaking of Humanoid (Non-human), the second sentence on the second paragraph should be changed to justify and differentiate humanoid characters with human-dominant characteristics; ie: Don't use on humans with minor non-human characters (Kemonomimi), just as said before.
#1662 by beliar
2019-04-08 at 15:14
I think one more exclusion clause will have to go into the description of "Anthropomorphic Animal".
"Only use the trait to describe the characters, for whom the anthropomorphic form is the primary one. Do not use it for shapeshifters, who can turn into an alternative animalistic form (e.g. a werewolf)."

Speaking of Humanoid (Non-human), the second sentence on the second paragraph should be changed to justify and differentiate humanoid characters with human-dominant characteristics
Should it? Because I think that a kemonomimi shouldn't be considered human, unless the character was actually a human cursed with such form or something similar. I'm pretty sure Humanoid (Non-human) does apply to most of humanoid characters with human-dominant characteristics. Unless I'm very wrong how vndb treats that specific trait.
#1663 by beliar
2019-04-08 at 20:19
I wonder, which would be better: renaming the current Furry trait to "anthropomorphic animal" and creating a new "fur" trait, or renaming Furry to fur and creating a separate trait for the anthros?
Probably the former. Either way, the list of currently assigned characters will have to be checked and moved to one or both of the traits as applicable.
#1664 by thewayfarer
2019-04-09 at 03:12
Should it? Because I think that a kemonomimi shouldn't be considered human, unless the character was actually a human cursed with such form or something similar. I'm pretty sure Humanoid (Non-human) does apply to most of humanoid characters with human-dominant characteristics. Unless I'm very wrong how vndb treats that specific trait.
I was talking about the verb issue; the second sentence and paragraph in said trait is describing to users to avoid using the trait who *are* pure human beings. It should be specific to avoid using it on characters who are dominantly human to prevent confusion between "whole" and "part".
#1665 by beliar
2019-04-09 at 17:57
The previous Furry trait has been renamed Fur and a new a new trait Anthropomorphic Animal has been created. I would be grateful if the users would help in sifting through the existing characters currently under Fur and Humanoid (Non-human) and help move those that need moving to Anthropomorphic Animal.

EDIT: I have also noticed that some full anthro characters are also traited with a "kemonomimi" trait. I don't thing that's correct, as, while the term literally means "animal ears", in the fandom it usually means cute girls with animal ears. People who are looking for kemonomimi's are not usually looking for full anthros, hence I'm removing the trait where I see it used in such a manner. Additionally I think the description of the "kemonomimi" trait should be updated to not use it with anthros.

EDIT 2: Another observation, regarding Cla-Min and pretty much every other humanoid being with its own trait (orcs, vampires, elves, etc). Shouldn't all these humanoid traits be moved under Humanoid (Non-human) as child traits? Now it seems redundant that, for example, a goblin character is also traited with a "humanoid" trait, when it's simply impossible for a goblin not to be humanoid...

EDIT 3: Okay, before i make too many mistakes, should characters like these Crome / Damion be considered Anthropomorphic Animals. They are humanoid dragons, which is not exactly an animal but a mythical being, but their overall characteristics are in line with other anthros. They are humanoids with mostly animalistic features, which I would consider to fall within the description. What about Garzburn, who looks much more human-like to me and less of an anthro being?

EDIT 4: Is Granberia an anthro? A loaded question, because it would mean I have fapped to an anthro character. :-P The next step would be to join the Yiff Party... :-(Last modified on 2019-04-09 at 19:23
#1666 by thewayfarer
2019-04-11 at 20:58
Gosh my notifications exploded like hell... I'm going to assume that every edits done by beliar are for replacing with Anthropomorphic Animal.

By the way, I noticed that "anthro" characters with the Dragon trait are classified with the former. Isn't there a proper term for their species? Like..."Dragonkin?" No, but still, I believe we should keep using Humanoid (Non-human) for humanoid dragons because they're a distinctive fantasy humanoid species along with the reptilian Lizardmen.Last modified on 2019-04-11 at 20:58
#1667 by beliar
2019-04-11 at 22:13
Well, the furry community does include dragons and the look of those characters does subscribe to every characteristic of an anthropomorphic animal. Hence, I ultimately do not think it's wrong to include them.
#1668 by minah
2019-04-12 at 06:04
Humanoid dragons should probably go under Anthropomorphic Animal, as there seems to be more overlap between humanoid dragons and games about anthro characters in general than there is with games about dragons as a mythological/fantasy race.
#1669 by truetakuma
2019-04-17 at 01:22
Not worthy creating a topic for that so Ill use this topic, anyways.

Does any one knows how to search for a trait inside a particular set of tags? say I search a vn with "Only Virgin Heroines" tag, inside of that tag I want only heroines with odango hairstyle. Or pretending personality trait. Is that possible? if not how would one narrow down a vn according to your tastes?
#1670 by fuukanou
2019-04-17 at 02:35
#1669, do it the other way around. Look for characters with the hairstyle + engages in virgin sex. If the heroine is a virgin, it's more than likely that the majority of VNs will be all virgin heroines, so you can do it like that (can check it on the VN's page). You don't even have to look at the heroine, just click the VN they're from if you're super sensitive to spoilers.Last modified on 2019-04-17 at 02:38
#1671 by sakurakoi
2019-04-17 at 08:39
Or pretending personality trait
Well, there is Pretending Heroine. Although there are over three times as many female pretending characters than VNs.

Needless to say, vndb really should have a composite trait+tag search still but somebody obviously has to program that first.
#1672 by truetakuma
2019-04-17 at 23:49
#1670 hit the nail on the coffin. I was looking into avoiding spoilers as much as possible. Ty

#1671 Pretending heroines was just a example. I actually prefer short-haired serious heroines (not exactly coodere). Hence the question.

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