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#2401 by funnerific
2020-09-14 at 15:10
< report >It reuses music from their first game which isn't from the same series.
#2402 by naiohoras
2020-09-14 at 17:20
< report >cheap VN producers such as Atelier Sakura and Appetite literally reuse their own soundtracks for all of their games. does this mean the tag applies for all of their VN? if so, then damn we have a lot of work to do.

I think we should either have a separate tag for this or revise the description. saying the soundtrack as non-original is incorrect since the producer is actually own the music, but they cannot be called as original either since it's not unique to a VN.Last modified on 2020-09-14 at 17:31
#2403 by ramark776
2020-09-17 at 00:33
< report >As discussed in t11757, Bishoujo Game serves a very important function, and as such it should either be reinstated or an alternative tag that also covers its key feature of split routes distinguished by differing romance should be added.

In addition to the arguments there, although Linear Plot, No Hero(in)es, and No Romance Plot exist and each cover a large amount of non-galge VNs, their coverage both has spotty overlap and isn't full-proof, excluding VNs such as Tsukihime Plus-Disc, I/O, Corpse Party BloodCovered, Subarashiki Hibi ~Furenzoku Sonzai~, Kara no Shoujo - The Second Episode, and Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV - Zennin Shibou Desu. It's also extremely cumbersome to search through each of the three tags independently.
#2404 by zolty
2020-09-24 at 01:49
< report >I'm not sure if there is a dedicated thread for troll tagging and I am also not totally sure on what is recommended in this scenario (the guidelines are a bit vague), so here goes:

I've seen many tags in VNs with sexual content, where there is a single scene with said content and users have tagged it with score of 2.

According to the guidelines (pasted below), I think the score for such similar scenarios should be 1.

1: The tag does apply to the visual novel, but is not too apparent or only plays a minor role.
2: The tag certainly applies to the visual novel.

Am I mistaken here?
If people are consistently tagging incorrectly, is there a thread to report them (or should I send a friendly message)?Last modified on 2020-09-24 at 01:50
#2405 by warfoki
2020-09-24 at 10:48
< report >Not trolling, just lazy. The default value for a tag is 2, you actively have to change it to vote 1 or 3, many people just don't bother.
#2406 by ninigi
2020-09-24 at 11:54
< report >Correct me if I'm wrong but since we already have fields for relations, shouldn't the mods made most tags from this parent category non-applicable? Or maybe delete some of them?Last modified on 2020-09-24 at 13:18
#2407 by butterflygrrl
2020-09-24 at 12:13
< report >Just vote it down a bit yourself and it'll drift down to a more correct setting over time. THough it's slightly harder to do this now that negative votes are more restricted iirc.

It's common when people are first adding a tag to something to stick with the default especially if they're not really sure of how important something is, just that it's present.
#2408 by ninigi
2020-09-24 at 12:30
< report >Already done some of those but then this happened. There's no guarantee new peeps won't upvote those tags as well so...
#2409 by mrkew
2020-09-24 at 14:27
< report >I think -3 is to be used when it is not present in the game or when the tag is no longer in use, not to even out the vote.
Death Note, Dragon Quest, Evangelion, and whatever else #2406 downvoted, are still valid tags and voting Death Note -3 on something which has the two main Death Note characters on the cover page is the troll tag.
EDIT: And #2404, if something is the main focus of a dedicated HCG then I'd argue that it's not a minor role. I suppose it heavily depends on how many total HCG are in the game.Last modified on 2020-09-24 at 14:43
#2410 by savagetiger
2020-09-25 at 05:33
< report >You can't search by specific anime relations only if a game has one or not. So those tags are still valid and shouldn't be downvoted.
#2411 by ninigi
2020-09-25 at 06:46
< report >#2410 Thanks, I'll revert my votes.
#2412 by mrkew
2020-09-25 at 13:52
< report >Don't forget to revert the votes for DQ, EVA, and Kantai Collection
#2413 by rampaa
2020-09-25 at 14:09
< report >
You can't search by specific anime relations
Actually you can, but not through VNDB's current UI. link
#2414 by funnerific
2020-10-07 at 21:24
< report >Some messy grammar in future forecasting
The protagonist or a character in this game, through scientific techniques or his/her own ability, can foresees events in the future and tries many attemps to stop or change the outcome of that events.
Make that:
The protagonist or a character in this game, through scientific techniques or his/her own ability, can foresee future events and tries to stop or change the outcome of said events.
#2415 by naiohoras
2020-10-08 at 01:52
< report >about Future Forecasting, the story doesn't need to about preventing or changing the future, some may even try to realize / follow the prophecy. perhaps the description should be revised according to that.Last modified on 2020-10-08 at 01:55
#2416 by ember
2020-10-08 at 09:39
< report >How about a tag for subaquatic settings? Confinement seems too vague for this. That would link titles like Ever17 and デイグラシアの羅針盤 (ok, at least two entries).
#2417 by mrkew
2020-10-08 at 10:12
< report >Butterfly is a very common position as shown by its trait. Can we get a tag for it? Currently there's only a tag for its child trait Seventh Posture. I suppose it's as simple as copying the description of the trait.
#2418 by rampaa
2020-10-08 at 20:02
< report >Based on a Web Novel has been rejected with the following reasoning:
Manga and Light Novel have significant differences, thus it makes sense for them to have child tags. Web Novel is just a novel that is published online, usually in a serialized form. I don't think there is much reason to split it off from the parent tag.
I enjoy reading web novels and visual novels (duh), so finding web novels that have VN adaptation interests me and it's customary to split light novels and web novels apart (see Novel Updates for example). Plus, making the split has no downside that I can see. So please reconsider.
#2419 by schlaefer
2020-10-09 at 23:37
< report >Is it really necessary to have Widower Protagonist AND Widow(er) Protagonist?
#2420 by beliar
2020-10-10 at 10:59
< report >
Is it really necessary to have Widower Protagonist AND Widow(er) Protagonist?
Oops? That shouldn't have happened.

Butterfly is a very common position as shown by its trait. Can we get a tag for it?
I didn't even realize that not all sexual traits are represented in tags. That said, I'm not sure if we need to expand so much for the tags. I mean, tominagi also does not have a tag. Maybe renaming the Seventh Posture tag to Butterfly and using it for all of the child tags too would be a more elegant solution... Need to think about this.

How about a tag for subaquatic settings?
I suppose it can be created. I'm kinda surprised we didn't have one.

Some messy grammar in future forecasting
Done. Included the Naiohoras' suggestion.

P.S. Also approved Rampaa's Web Novel tag.Last modified on 2020-10-10 at 12:06
#2421 by mrkew
2020-10-27 at 16:03
< report >It doesn't make sense for many of the technical tags to have tag power connected to them.
No Gallery. Either the gallery exists or it doesn't.
No Backlog, No Skip Read Text Option, Ending List, Backlog Jump, Music Recollection, Sprite Viewer, No Sexual content, Based on Anime/LN/WN, etc.
Anidb has the option for tags to be weightless. Does anyone think it would be useful here?
#2422 by rampaa
2020-10-27 at 16:23
< report >#2421: t13470.4, t13470.9

I've since changed my opinion though. Even for binary situations, tag weight might be useful. For one, they can better represent disagreements. Also suppose the VN has a remake and the remake has a gallery while the original game doesn't, in that case you could tag it with +1 tag score to be less misleading (you could also leave a tag comment but those comments cannot be viewed if one doesn't go to the "modify tags" page, which most people wouldn't before reading the game to not get spoiled). There can be also some fringe cases where a VN doesn't strictly apply to the tag definition but you think it's close enough, in those cases voting with +1 could also make sense.Last modified on 2020-10-27 at 16:27
#2423 by rampaa
2020-11-21 at 21:30
< report >Unavoidable Heroine Rape by Others and Only Avoidable Heroine Rape by Others should be child tags of Heroine Rape by Others.Last modified on 2020-11-21 at 21:32
#2424 by shinytentacool
2020-11-22 at 11:08
< report >I suggested a new tag but I did it by accident. It was meant to be a trait. Can't edit or delete it, oh well. Still would like to know if it'd be good or not (as a trait)
#2425 by laukku
2020-11-25 at 15:39
< report >For a given character, are being a hero/heroine and a support character mutually exclusive? In that case I suspect there's plenty misuse, and the descriptions of tags where there are hero/heroine and support character counterparts (e.g. Nurse Support Character and Nurse Heroine) should instruct to use the correct tag.