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#2651 by Ezezin
2021-10-07 at 22:31
< report >A similar tag was proposed in 2014 called Non-Human Romance, but was denied. I guess you can use Interracial Romance + Monster Heroine/Monster Girl Heroine in that case.
#2652 by Ninius
2021-10-11 at 14:02
< report >Why is Interracial Romance about species and races but Interracial Sex is only about races?
#2653 by Mrkew
2021-10-11 at 17:38
< report >g1543.2 - as mentioned above it was about species the whole time, so one look at the tagged VNs tells you that almost all of them were tagged because of different species. Mostly elves and catgirls.Last modified on 2021-10-11 at 17:38
#2654 by beliar
2021-10-11 at 17:40
< report >That seems extremely counterintuitive. There aren't that many VNs assigned the tag, so I feel that those that have interspecies romance should be downvoted.
#2655 by historyeraser
2021-10-11 at 18:03
< report >Determinant Antagonist should be a subtag of Unique Routes
#2656 by Mrkew
2021-10-11 at 18:22
< report >I have no problem with imagining elves when someone says different race, might be because I don't read EVNs at all. But if you want to redefine the tag then mod downvotes are in order, because all I see under that tag are vampires, demons, cats, and elves.
#2657 by Ezezin
2021-10-12 at 08:17
< report >Interracial Romance used with Non-human characters: link
Interracial Romance used with Dark Skinned characters: link

That tag was used as inter-species romance since 2012. I agree with Mrkew, if you want to change how that tag should be used, it might need forced mod votes.

Edit 1: I don't think you would like this idea, but if people feel that they want a tag for those kind of romances, you could un-delete Non-Human Romance, rename it as Inter-species Romance and then we could tag those 81 vn with it, or ask Yorhel to automate it.

Edit 2: Interracial Sex and Interracial Romance (with the actual description) could be child tags for Ethnically Diverse Cast.Last modified on 2021-10-13 at 17:19
#2658 by Mrkew
2021-10-12 at 10:23
< report >The second list shouldn't even be that long, since it's for knife-ears in Amairo Islenauts and Kamidori. There are brown girls in the respective VNs, but it's okinawan and a magical pile of mud respectively
#2659 by beliar
2021-10-13 at 17:14
< report >Okay, I see I was a bit hasty in trying to "fix" the tag. I'll revert it back and probably rename to "Interracial/interspecies Romance" to prevent confusion.
#2660 by Draconyan
2021-10-20 at 09:51
< report >Is there a particular reason why Shotacon is not listed as "Not Applicable", like Lolicon is?
#2661 by x-rayj
2021-10-24 at 03:43
< report >I feel like the descriptions of Heroine and Hero should be updated a bit. They're not bad, but they could use some improvement. Part of the first sentence for both doesn't even apply to all visual novels, but mainly ones with branch plots. How the descriptions are something like this:

Heroine: Heroines are the female members of a game's cast, especially of the main cast, who act as love interests to usually male protagonists in stories of these games. In games with a branching plot, each of each they have their own route/ending while developing a romantic relationship with, but for titles with a more linear plot, the protagonist enters into a polyamorous relationship with multiple heroines leading to a harem ending.

These types of characters are almost exclusively found in bishoujo games.

Do not mix with a VN's lead female character, that is called a protagonist.

Hero: Heroes are the male members of a game's cast, especially of the main cast, who act as love interests to usually female protagonists in stories of these games. In games with a branching plot, each of each they have their own route/ending while developing a romantic relationship with, but for titles with a more linear plot, the protagonist enters into a polyamorous relationship with multiple heroes leading to a reverse harem ending.

These types of characters are almost exclusively found in otome games.

Do not mix with a VN's lead male character, that is called a protagonist.

What do you guys think?Last modified on 2021-10-24 at 04:08
#2662 by historyeraser
2021-10-24 at 04:11
< report >#2661

There are many problems with those definitions.

1. The "to usually male protagonists" bit in the definition of heroine definition and the equivalent line in your hero definition is unnecessary since everyone already knows that heterosexuality is the default in romance visual novels. This also applies to the "These types of characters are almost exclusively found in bishoujo games." line at the end.

2. The definition assumes that all endings involving polyamory must be harem endings even though poly endings can include only 2 love interests which is not considered a harem situation since harems involve at least 3 love interests.

3. The disclaimer telling people not to label protagonists as hero(ine)s shouldn't have "lead (fe)male character" as how it is in your definition (singular form) since visual novels can have multiple protagonists.Last modified on 2021-10-24 at 04:14
#2663 by x-rayj
2021-10-24 at 04:23
< report >I understand including the third reason, but about that, I don't create the last sentence. It is already there in the descriptions, and I just put it in them.Last modified on 2021-10-24 at 04:24
#2664 by Ezezin
2021-10-24 at 08:47
< report >No matter what definition or description for hero/heroine you want to use for tags, it won't change a thing. People don't read tags descriptions when think they know it's meaning; even less if those descriptions are from non-applicable tags.
Also, some hero/heroines tags were used almost since the creation of the website, so there must be several thousands VNs tagged with them.

Even if we reach to an agreement of what is hero/heroine, how do we "fix" the votes of near 10k visual novels using 681 different hero/heroine tags?Last modified on 2021-10-24 at 10:00
#2665 by historyeraser
2021-10-25 at 23:18
< report >If the Butterfly Position is accepted, then Seventh Posture should be a subtag of it.
#2666 by Draconyan
2021-10-27 at 14:13
< report >How about adding "Salaryman" as an alias for Office Worker? We already have it as an alias for Salaryman Protagonist
#2667 by historyeraser
2021-10-28 at 19:42
< report >Would "Ensemble Cast" work better as an alias for Multiple Protagonists or No Protagonist?
#2668 by NaioHoras
2021-11-04 at 16:34
< report >I completely forgot that this tag exist Repurposed Art. rather than making it as a child trait of Unoriginal Graphics (as I don't see the point of making them seperated), is it possible to conveniently merge it? or should I tag them manually?
#2669 by beliar
2021-11-04 at 16:39
< report >I thought there should be a tag for it when I approved Unoriginal Graphics, but my search didn't give any results. I must not have searched well enough...

Yeah, the tags can be merged, though it might take up to 24 h for the merge to properly show.
#2670 by gvbn
2021-11-12 at 04:03
< report >BBW Heroine as an alias for Chubby Heroine, that's the common term in porn.
#2671 by Mrkew
2021-11-21 at 05:06
< report >I was looking at Hime-sama Love Life! wondering why it has Ethnically Diverse Cast, because all the heroines are white. Then I looked at the tag description and see nationality there. Surely that's a mistake when ethnicity and nationality are two completely different things.
#2672 by Ezezin
2021-11-21 at 05:51
< report >If I'm not wrong, that tag was created as a response to the now deleted Amare Game tag (Discussion about it started in t3617.2635).
I don't think the description is wrong, but does it need a better name?Last modified on 2021-11-21 at 05:53
#2673 by NaioHoras
2021-11-21 at 06:28
< report >
because all the heroines are white.
and I'm pretty sure you meant race, my friend.
as someone who live in a nation with diverse cultural backgrounds, I can say that different ethnic does not necessarily mean different race, thus the tag is still applicable even with only looking at the title.
#2674 by Mrkew
2021-11-21 at 07:40
< report >Okay, but the discussion says the tag is meant for progressive/sjw games. I can understand for something like eiyuu senki where the cast is truly diverse, but I don't think a tag with this name should be used for games where frankly all heroines look the same (feature-wise). Even if it's not specifically tied just to race, different ethnicity is recognizable visually I feel like.
#2675 by NaioHoras
2021-11-21 at 08:13
< report >
but the discussion says the tag is meant for progressive/sjw games.
it's actually to keep out the silly tag Amare Game, which result in more objective and wider term of "diversity", hence Ethnically Diverse Cast.

I don't see the fault in tagging a vn with Ethnically Diverse Cast even when they look pretty much the same physically in a vn. they can be represented with other aspects such as different languages, dialects, customs, religions, and what not, which we rarely encounter in JP games, or vn in general.
though I admit that 3 is too high for Hime-sama Love Life...