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#2801 by Marc402
2022-04-12 at 11:49
< report >There are a couple of typos in Depression.
trough → through
effecting → affecting
#2802 by usagi
2022-04-19 at 02:52
< report >Under the Same Roof should be child tag of Domicile
#2803 by Draconyan
2022-04-19 at 09:14
< report >I'd like Sex Involving Furries to have "Furry Sex" as an alias, cause I couldn't find it and it took me a while to realise I had to write it in the plural.
#2804 by butterflygrrl
2022-04-21 at 01:29
< report >Romance Between Protagonists should probably be moved to be a child of Multiple Protagonists directly instead of Protagonist Selection since there are games that feature viewpoint-hopping back and forth between two members of a couple (thus, they're both protagonists and have a romance between protagonists) without the player actually getting to choose which one to play.
#2805 by Charactor
2022-04-21 at 23:34
< report >Heroine's Hair should include more color categories like Heroine with Golden Hair,Heroine with blue
Hair,etc.Last modified on 2022-04-21 at 23:35
#2806 by xierin000
2022-04-22 at 03:28
< report >#2805 you can use traits for that, can you not?
#2807 by Charactor
2022-04-22 at 06:37
< report >#2806 oh ,i got it
I'll have a try
#2808 by shinytentacool
2022-04-23 at 18:10
< report >ooh, I didn't know about this one, Rushed Game Ending
Very usefulLast modified on 2022-04-23 at 18:11
#2809 by kei-tr
2022-05-06 at 20:33
< report >I might be kind of late for this but there was this tag I suggested last year but it was denied without much reason. I was actually inspired from Defloration During Common Route when I suggested it, created it (or intended to) as parent tag of Defloration During Common Route, and even copied most of it's description. I think if Defloration During Common Route has a place in database Sex During Common Route should have a place as well.Last modified on 2022-05-06 at 20:41
#2810 by Ileca
2022-05-07 at 01:25
< report >Beliar, we need a bimbo tag.
#2811 by cy
2022-05-07 at 03:27
< report >Speaking of the bimbo tag, I am a bit confused by the hierarchy of different kinds of sluts.

So we have Perverted Heroine, which should be a catch-all, but Promiscuous Heroine isn't its sub-tag, nor is Dominatrix Heroine, Prostitute Heroine, Gyaru Heroine, Mesugaki Heroine, Sadist Heroine, Masochist Heroine, or Rapist Heroine.

(I also think the description of Heroine with Sexual Experience is overly dry and apologetic, but that's just our admin.)

bimbos ftw <3

Also, the character traits != game traits thing could lead to all kinds of edge cases where games/characters were inadequately tagged, hurting discoverability. Someone might give a character a certain trait but not the corresponding heroine trait in the game, or the other way around.

Ideally, a trait like Heroine would be used per game-character and games wouldn't directly have character traits at all. Each character could have a table of games he/she/it appears in, and the value of each row would be a sub-table containing traits. That way a character could be marked as having H scenes or a certain personality in game A but not in game B, etc. Then the traits would auto-propagate to the games.Last modified on 2022-05-07 at 03:47
#2812 by butterflygrrl
2022-05-08 at 14:03
< report >For discussion rather than a specific suggestion.

There's a lot of confusion about the various kinds of SLG and what exactly they're meant to mean here, particularly when it comes to Raising Simulation and Dating Simulation

On forums outside of VNDB I often see it put forth that a game is only a "dating simulation" if the stat management is primarily focused around managing the protagonist's relationship with other characters in a mechanical way. You need to be able to schedule 'dates' in a reasonably freeform manner rather than only interacting with other characters when it's scheduled to happen in the plot. You may boost the protagonist's stats, but you also need to raise money for dates, buy gifts, regularly ask girls out, and manage how many affection points they gain based on where you take them and what dialog you select there. (There would also have to be some amount of Main Plot to qualify as a hybrid VN, of course.)

At some distance from this would be the Raising Sim, in which you are specifically raising the stats of a character who is not 'you'. You aren't directly playing that character, even if that's the character who's onscreen most of the time. You are a boss, a parent, a manager, who is guiding that character. (This fits with the definition currently on VNDB)

In-between these is what's often described as a Life Sim, in which you are directly controlling the character and the stat gameplay is focused heavily on boosting that character's stats. This may or may not involve any romance at all, but it certainly doesn't involve dating management.

I bring this up because I see a lot of games on VNDB at the moment currently tagged "Raising Simulation" that do not involve raising at all (there is no separate character being raised). Some of them involve romance (but not in a date management way). Some of them don't have any romance at all. (See The Executioner ) And I think they've been given this tag because people were uncomfortable labeling them as "dating simulations" when they aren't, but did want to emphasize that they involve character stat management, and so ended up with a Raising Sim tag.

Which means Raising Sim is full of mistagged games that are not raising sims.

So what's the best approach here?

* Move all games tagged Raising Sim that don't involve raising a separate character into Dating Sim even if there is no dating and no romance in the game

* Move all mistagged Raising Sim games into just Simulation Game and leave it at that

* Rewrite the definition of Raising Sim to be any kind of stat-raising whether it's a separate character or not. Remove Dating Sim and move all the entries into the new Raising Sim category.

* Create a Life Sim category and adjust the definition of Dating Sim to draw a clear distinction between them, then move a bunch of games out of both Dating Sim and Raising Sim.
#2813 by Ezezin
2022-05-08 at 14:28
< report >That's a problem of people not reading the descriptions of parent tags. For those cases the tag that should be applied is the generic Simulation Game.
Similar to RPG games, simulation games (SLG) usually have stats representing certain values of your character. And to achieve certain goals you try to build up certain stats. On RPG's most of these stats are combat related, while on SLG's they are mostly aspects of our daily lives.
Besides of the need (or not) of a separate life sim tag, if this is a problem that needs to be addressed (I don't know how many games are wrongly tagged with Dating Simulation), I suggest to add to Dating Simulation "Do not use this tag if none of the stats involve a romantic/dating element; use Simulation Game instead" in big, bold letters.Last modified on 2022-05-08 at 14:32
#2814 by iriyap
2022-05-08 at 18:37
< report >.Last modified on 2022-05-14 at 05:51
#2815 by bassttark
2022-05-08 at 23:42
< report >* Middle School Student Protagonist, Middle School Student Heroine and Middle School Student Hero should be children of Middle School
* Elementary School Student Protagonist and Elementary School Student Hero should be children of Elementary School

Fortunately Elementary School Student Heroine, High School Student Protagonist, High School Student Heroine and High School Student Hero are already properly tagged.

PS: Nevermind, I prefer t3617.2817 proposal.Last modified on 2022-05-09 at 12:15
#2816 by Mrkew
2022-05-08 at 23:59
< report >No, they shouldn't. I already mentioned this, but the high school protag/heroine/hero should be removed from under High School. For example for middle school, the tag description says "Some part of the game takes place in a middle school." But you can have middle schooler heroines in a game without ever stepping into their school. The entire game can take place at home.
#2817 by Ezezin
2022-05-09 at 00:43
< report >@bassttark I strongly disagree. Just because a character is a Middle School Student Protagonist or a Elementary School Student Hero, doesn't mean that the setting is a school.

Actually, I suggest to make a new non-applicable tag called "Student" under Misc. Character Tags and then move Student Protagonist, Student Heroine and Student Hero to that new tag (and also create a new "University Student" tag and move University Student Hero, University Student Heroine and University Student Protagonist under it). This would make searching easier if people are looking for a school setting.
#2818 by anay
2022-05-09 at 09:05
< report >Re-suggest.
I think we need tag "Five to Seven Heroines" for easier search a VN with more than four heroines but less than eight.
Or did someone already know the easy way to search these VN?
#2819 by Ezezin
2022-05-09 at 11:33
< report >Try this (you can add or remove tags based on your definition of heroine and in what kind of games they should appear); or if you want to be even more specific, try this (you can add or remove traits based on your definition of heroine).Last modified on 2022-05-09 at 11:40
#2820 by bassttark
2022-05-09 at 12:13
< report >I just wanted to point out that the current state of the tag tree is not coherent.

I support #2817 @Ezezin proposal.

#2816 Just removing High School Students from High School would not be enough because they would still be descendants of School via Student Protagonist et al. That is why Ezezin's proposal is better.
#2821 by beliar
2022-05-09 at 15:34
< report >
Beliar, we need a bimbo tag.
Not sure if serious... Imho, this is too much of a character attribute to assign it to a VN. There are only 3 characters tagged with Bimbo, that do not have a Bimbofication trait. Doesn't seem like the tag would be useful at all...

@butterflygrrl: Ezezin is right here. Any game that does not fit in a specific category should go under a generic Simulation Game label. Not sure how useful Life Sim would be, as I feel it's quite hard to define it.

@bassttark: I will implement Ezezin's suggestion.

@anay: That's a tag very few people will ever use or tag, which will never make it acurate. Just use Ezezin's suggestion.

So we have Perverted Heroine, which should be a catch-all, but Promiscuous Heroine isn't its sub-tag, nor is Dominatrix Heroine, Prostitute Heroine, Gyaru Heroine, Mesugaki Heroine, Sadist Heroine, Masochist Heroine, or Rapist Heroine.
A case could be made that Promiscuous Heroine should go under Perverted Heroine, but other tags you have mentioned are completely unrelated to being perverted:
Dominatrix and Prostitute are job descriptions.
Gyaru is a fashion/lifestyle.
Sadist/Masochist only describe heroine's relation to pain and need not be used in a sexual setting.
Rapist describes an act, which can be perpetrated for a variety of reasons (like blackmail) and has nothing to do with perversion.
The only other slightly ambiguous tag is Mesugaki.
#2822 by Ezezin
2022-05-09 at 16:08
< report >Can you also remove High School Student Hero, High School Student Heroine and High School Student Protagonist child tags from High School? And Elementary School Student Heroine from Elementary School?
#2823 by anay
2022-05-10 at 22:20
< report >@beliar: Well, that kill the meaning of easier way.

@Ezenin: Thank you, 8000+ VN are many. I guest I will modify some traits as you suggest.
#2824 by NaioHoras
2022-05-12 at 15:27
< report >title bad pls fix Only Protagonist's Brothers as Heroe(s)
#2825 by NaioHoras
2022-05-19 at 09:27
< report >"Sexual Moral Corruption" and "Erotic Moral corruption" should be added to Sexual Corruption as aliases so it would appear when typing "(sexual/erotic) moral corruption" (given Non-Erotic Moral Corruption's name).Last modified on 2022-05-19 at 09:31