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#601 by PabloC
2015-04-04 at 11:48
< report >Sounds good, thanks.

As for Girlfriend Heroine, I'm not quite sure what is this tag supposed to do really. Heroine being a GF from the get go is already covered by Protagonist in Relationship just fine, since relationships other than GF/BF are already covered by such tags as Protagonist's Wife as a Heroine and Protagonist's Fiancee Heroine. And now heroine being in relationship with someone other than protagonist will be covered by relevant In Relationship tag (and again, there's a relevant tag for married heriones).
So, I'm not sure if we need the GF heroine tag at all. In Relationship tags should cover everything just fine (the only potential problem are homosexual relationships).Last modified on 2015-04-04 at 12:04
#602 by warfoki
2015-04-04 at 15:51
< report >Well, as I see it Girlfriend Heroine is supposed to be a for heroines who have a relationship with someone right of the bat, but they are nobody's fiancee or wife. The problem is that it currently covers two different things, so I really don't see the point of it either. So I'll just get rid of it.

As for Non-Binary Protagonist, after utilising some google-fu I'm even more confused than before. The exact definition seems to change source by source. Also, this seems to be a psychological issue, so unless we have a character who is described as a non-binary gendered character, we can have educated guesses at best. And those guesses have quite a few blurry borderlines. For example: does a voluntarily crossdressing male character belong here? He wants to be more feminine, so while he settles with a male body, he clearly doesn't want to be all that masculine. And what about characters who are mind controlled or otherwise changed so that they have desire to change their gender? What about futanari characters? Also, If we consider this to be a sociopsychological issue, then what about fantasy setting with entirely different gender roles? Or settings where we have more than 2 "basic" genders to begin with?

And so forth. Frankly I think I'm going to get rid of this tag and, now that I've put some thought to it, also delete the trait version of it. It's just more trouble than it's worth. I'll leave it for a short while, so if anyone has some brilliant ideas how to make this tag/trait actually useful, then go right ahead.Last modified on 2015-04-04 at 21:04
#603 by onemore
2015-04-04 at 17:36
< report >Suggestion: make Oyakodon into Oyakodon Ending, add new tag Oyakodon for the sexual act.
#604 by anonymous
2015-04-04 at 19:53
< report >@602 Honestly I'm not sure what all it encompasses, either; I was going by the general rule of if a character or Word of God says they are, tag it, and if not, don't. I mean, the point of tags/traits is to describe what's in the game, not to make speculations about characters' gender identity/whatever.

But if you think it's likely to be misused, considering how many other commonly misused tags there are already, I don't want to contribute to that problem.
#605 by savagetiger
2015-04-04 at 23:11
< report >@602 well the one character I put Non-Binary on is a god who is technically neither a man or a woman.

but those new Nanoreno games that minah tagged with Non-Binary Protagonist are more the tumblr all inclusive kind of thing where the option is just there to be pc or something.
#606 by anonymous
2015-04-05 at 00:05
< report >Actually, now that I think about it, maybe it would be useful to to have some kind of Protagonist Gender Selection tag under Customization? Savagetiger has a point, I think every instance of Non-Binary Protagonist is a case where you choose the protagonist's gender, just that it's male/female/other rather than male/female. But it's not really Protagonist Selection because you don't choose between separate, defined protagonists; you just tweak aspects of a protagonist's character.

Not sure how to phrase that as a tag description, though, and not sure if it would actually help or if I'm just causing new problems -_-
#607 by anonymous
2015-04-08 at 06:40
< report >OK, I figured out part of the issue with deleted tags showing up on VN pages: if you type a tag name in the "Add Tag" box, deleted tags won't show up. However, if you copy and paste the tag ID number into the "Add Tag" box, you can then select the tag and vote on it.

I'm pretty sure drjones's obsession with adding OELVN to everything is the only example of someone actually bothering to do that, but it's probably a loophole that should be fixed.

EDIT: Nevermind, apparently if you type the name of a deleted tag into the "Add Tag" box and press enter, it gets added to the list even if the drop-down menu says "No results." That's an even bigger bug.Last modified on 2015-04-08 at 21:27
#608 by default
2015-04-08 at 23:12
< report >Can we add something like "Has gameplay". Weird it's not here yet.
#609 by savagetiger
2015-04-08 at 23:20
< report >@608 what do you mean specifically? We already have tags for simulation games/rhythm games/mini-games/strategy games etc.

Real Taiwa de Manabu Jissen Eikaiwa Summer Story is tagged with a deleted tag "english".
#610 by default
2015-04-09 at 01:43
< report >^ I mean a tag that indicates if that game has any gameplay element. As far as I know, the filter is coded so that all the tags included must present in the game for it to appear.
Example: include "City Building Game" and "Dating Simulation", you get 0 result
#611 by dk382
2015-04-09 at 07:03
< report >So run separate searches. A general gameplay tag would only be redundant information when looking at a game's tags, and the tags are often already bloated enough as it is.
#612 by surferdude
2015-04-09 at 13:45
< report >How about a tag called "Interface Translation Only" or something like that ?

When doing a search for translated VNs it's really annoying when you see something new and think "Cool, another VN in English!", only to find out that it's actually just an interface patch for a hybrid VN.

I don't think there's currently a way to filter those out, so I think some people might find it useful.Last modified on 2015-04-09 at 14:00
#613 by takata
2015-04-09 at 14:02
< report >^Just call the release a partial translation patch, and put a note in the release saying what's translated, and what's not.

I know you can't search the note field, but I don't think interface-only patches would be so common that you would really need this tag to automatically eliminate them from your search.
#614 by surferdude
2015-04-09 at 14:06
< report >They're actually more common than you'd think.

And "partial patch" should imply that at least some part <of the story text> is translated, not just the interface which is only for the gameplay parts.

IMO, there should be a way to differentiate between, say, a partial patch that translates half of a VN which anyone can read, and an interface patch that is only useful if you use a text hooker/machine translation to read the VN.Last modified on 2015-04-09 at 14:22
#615 by PabloC
2015-04-09 at 14:30
< report >Making such tag is a bad idea, but if it's necessary, maybe we could add "interface patch" to the "type" field in release info?
Easy way to look specifically for interface patches might be useful for people who rely on ITH+MeCab combo.Last modified on 2015-04-09 at 14:31
#616 by surferdude
2015-04-09 at 14:47
< report >^ Maybe you'd like to elaborate on why my tag is such a bad idea, eh ?
#617 by PabloC
2015-04-09 at 15:18
< report >Because tags aren't release-specific? "Interface patch" is the same kind of information as "partial patch" - it's only relevant to one release. What if the VN has both patches (one for interface and one unfinished for the story)? And what if the interface patch eventually gets upgraded to a complete patch? You'd have to delete that tag then.Last modified on 2015-04-09 at 15:19
#618 by surferdude
2015-04-09 at 16:04
< report >Tags aren't release specific, huh ?

Then why is Kanon tagged with Protagonist with Voice Acting, when only certain releases of it actually have that ?
Or Little Busters, tagged with Low Sexual Content when most of its releases have no sexual content at all.

And why insist on denying a potentially useful tag when the tag Curling has been in the database for 5 years and it covers exactly 2 VNs, one of which is the side story to the other ?

But I guess all that is OK, and my proposed tag is a BAD IDEA. Fuck!
#619 by PabloC
2015-04-09 at 16:32
< report >I never said that tags not being release-specific is a good thing. It isn't. But that's irrelevant, just like a random curling tag or whatever. You are completely missing the point here.
Your tag is a bad idea because types of patches aren't covered by tags. They have a relevant field in release info. Why do you insist on making a tag for this one, specific kind of patch, while ALL other kinds are covered elsewhere?
#620 by surferdude
2015-04-09 at 16:57
< report >Because this specific kind of patch shouldn't even be listed in a Visual Novel Database as they only apply to the non-VN parts of a hybrid VN.

Because this specific kind of patch can confuse people into thinking a VN is translated when it is in fact not.

Because a way to filter these out when doing a search for translated VNs would be useful to some people.

Now you tell me, what harm would such a tag bring when only certain people who know what they're looking for would use it in the first place ?
#621 by PabloC
2015-04-09 at 17:38
< report >1) No. As long as the hybrid as a whole qualifies as a VN, patches for any part of it should qualify as well.
2) Just like any other partial patch. Some of them are demo releases covering a short prologue, some of them cover entire route, some of them cover just the interface. It has to be explained in the notes in all cases.
3) Tags aren't the only way to filter stuff, you know? You would filter interface patches just like you can filter all partial patches right now.

Look, there's a very high probability that mods will deny this tag, for the reasons I stated above. If you want to stick to it, go ahead, it will get you nowhere. I'm just suggesting a little less impossible solution, that's all.
#622 by warfoki
2015-04-10 at 02:37
< report >You can make that tag, but I won't let it through for the exact reason Pabloc thinks it's a bad idea: it's release specific. Here's a better idea: name patches like this as what they are, interface patches. Like r37997. That way simply searching for "interface" among all releases will get you your results.Last modified on 2015-04-11 at 11:21
#623 by savagetiger
2015-04-11 at 00:34
< report >No Character Sprites should have the alias of No Sprites.
#624 by anonymous
2015-04-19 at 01:32
< report >I submitted Protagonist Gender Choice re: what I was talking about in @606. Don't know if it's too general, though?
#625 by anonymous
2015-05-08 at 04:52
< report >Only One Bad Ending

Cut & paste error: "This game has only bad good ending."
should be "This game has only one bad ending."Last modified on 2015-05-08 at 18:25