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#2576 by ninius
2021-07-13 at 20:41
< report >@beliar, I was thinking maybe you should fix a date that you clear the tag/trait queues so they don't stack like that? Like maybe the last day of every month? Might make the job easier and less like a burden? :D Just a suggestion, and then people wouldn't have to wait months for their tag/traits to get modded.Last modified on 2021-07-13 at 20:44
#2577 by naiohoras
2021-07-14 at 02:04
< report >Rape Roleplay should be set as sexual content.

Protagonist's Rival as a Heroine has description that state "one or more heroines that have a rivalry going on with other heroines" which doesn't go well with its name.

this tag Single Hole Multiple Objects Insertion is not applicable, even though it doesn't have any child tag...

Only Blood-related Heroines should be set as no spoiler. initial proposal stated that it was "to prevent spoiling the relationship in the case of unbeknownst incest being plot-relevant in one or more routes", which is not a very often case.Last modified on 2021-07-14 at 02:26
#2578 by ninius
2021-07-15 at 22:01
< report >Natural Disaster should have these aliases, so it's easier to find: "flood", "earthquake", "hurricane", "tsunami", "storm", "natural catastrophe"
#2579 by ezezin
2021-07-16 at 18:10
< report >Prostitute Heroine is a child tag of Prostitution, but Prostitute Hero is not. I think Sex Involving Prostitution can also be included in there.

What about leaving Single Hole Multiple Objects Insertion as it is, making it a parent tag for Anal Multiple Objects Insertion and Vaginal Multiple Objects Insertion, since those two are more specific? I see that Warfoki wanted to replace the tag (g3378.1), but i think it could be useful for searching and sorting purposes.
#2580 by beliar
2021-07-16 at 22:10
< report >Single Hole Multiple Objects Insertion and its counterpart trait were specifically made non-applicable, because they are obsolete. You are supposed to use Anal Multiple Objects Insertion, Vaginal Multiple Objects Insertion and Vaginal + Anal Object Insertion tags instead, and slowly transfer the existing entries from from the obsolete tag/trait, until they can be removed.Last modified on 2021-07-16 at 22:11
#2581 by mrkew
2021-07-18 at 12:16
< report >reg the name change of Flat/Small Chested Heroine (Non-Loli), I would do the same for the newly added Small Breast Sizes Heroine. Because of the rule that breasts that cast a shadow count as small breasts and not a flat chest, there's a huge amount of lolis tagged with small breasts.
Second, the pettanko heroine tag was used for a long time, before you decided this "casts shadow" thing, so all the (non-loli) girls with small breasts made their games tagged with pettanko heroine. I don't know what to do about that aside from going through all the tagged games and changing most of them from flat chest heroine to small breasts heroine with mod power.
Third, what is the purpose of Flat-chested Heroine? Loli heroine already implies small breast sizes. It will just be a double tag cluttering the cloud. "It can be used for loli characters too". What does too mean here? If non-loli chars are supposed to be tagged with the other tag, then this was meant only for loli chars when you made it.Last modified on 2021-07-18 at 12:24
#2582 by skorpiondeath
2021-07-18 at 13:16
< report >@mrkew: I tried to follow your discussion with rampaa but obviosly I did not get it right. First in the trait department breast size are just a phisical aspect there is not this loli distinction.
In the tag department instead why do we need (non-loli) character separeted from loli ones?
But lets suppose we want to keep them separated then I agree with you that Flat-chested Heroine is useless we can just use Loli heroine like you said. Flat-chested Heroine can be reformed in a way that it cannot be used with loli.
Flat/Small Chested Heroine (Non-Loli) is the old pettanko wich did not distinguish flat chest from small chest and probably the best idea is to trasform it in the actual Small Breast Sizes Heroine so we can switch the the 2 new tag Flat-chested Heroine wich must be changed to (non-loli) and Heroine with Small Breasts (also non-loli).
Is it ok?Last modified on 2021-07-18 at 13:17
#2583 by mrkew
2021-07-18 at 14:06
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In the tag department instead why do we need (non-loli) character separeted from loli ones?
I have two simple reasons.
1. A huge percentage of all small breast sizes heroines are lolis. They would basically monopolize the tag. If someone wants to tag search for a VN with small breasted heroine that isn't a loli, there'd be no way for him to do that. You could argue that he could exclude loli heroine from the search, but there are many VNs that have two different girls, one small-breasted (normal) and another one small-breasted (loli).
2. Loli heroine already implies small breast sizes, because it's not tagged as Oppai loli heroine.

My proposal:
Delete Flat-chested Heroine and Heroine with Small Breasts.
Keep flat and small together in Flat/Small Chested Heroine (Non-Loli), because otherwise you need to go through all 628 of them and manually separate them.
Move Loli Heroine under Small Breast Sizes Heroine. Remove Oppai Loli Heroine from under Loli Heroine and instead put it under Big Breast Sizes Heroine. This keeps it neat and tidy, and prevents oppai loli from appearing under small breast sizes.
#2584 by beliar
2021-07-18 at 14:45
< report >Under the traits we have neat and tidy Flat Chest and Small Breasts traits. Right now Skorpy has split them into three tags, but that creates a problem where the two tags not marked 'non-loli" will simply get stuffed with lolis.

I personally see that the only sane way forward is making Flat/Small Chested Heroine (Non-Loli) obsolete and transferring the tags to the other two. Right now the threeway relation is very confusing and frankly helps no one to search for characters.

Yes, the twoway relation will still end up stuffed with lolis, but they can be excluded, and if somehow there will be one in a hundred situation where the VN has both a loli and a flat-chested non-loli, well, that is an acceptable margin as far as I see.

Move Loli Heroine under Small Breast Sizes Heroine. Remove Oppai Loli Heroine from under Loli Heroine and instead put it under Big Breast Sizes Heroine
Absolutely not! Loli is more than just breasts - it's the whole body shape. Moving loli under breasts does a horrible disservice to lolis, reducing the whole tag to just the breast sizes, which is not true at all.
#2585 by mrkew
2021-07-18 at 15:16
< report >I was not implying lolis are only about breasts. Obviously, it's a combination of what's generally considered prepubescent features. But what they have in common are small breasts sizes, so the parent tag is accurate in 100% of cases, which is when you could consider putting them under that tag.
and if somehow there will be one in a hundred situation where the VN has both a loli and a flat-chested non-loli, well, that is an acceptable margin as far as I see.
One in a hundred? Try 1 in 3-4. I went through all of them recently. That's not an acceptable margin at all.Last modified on 2021-07-18 at 15:19
#2586 by hector
2021-07-21 at 07:40
< report >There is a typo in the second word of the tag Incubus Protaganist.
#2587 by mrkew
2021-07-21 at 12:35
< report >Has Window Transparancy Setting this tag applies to every single japanese VN made in the last 15 odd years with the exception for a couple of low budget doujin games. Another tag to use on every game in the list and every game that's coming out.
No window transparency would be so much more useful.
#2588 by beliar
2021-07-21 at 12:37
< report >I denied "No Window Transparency", because it applies to every single doujin VN and OELVN made within the last 30 years. Mayhap neither of those tags are very useful, but there are definitely less VNs with transparency settings than without.
#2589 by mrkew
2021-07-21 at 13:23
< report >Yeah well, I see 30 japanese VNs in the db that come out this month, and how many will be applicable for the tag? 29? Maybe 28? How many in total in the db? 8k? 9? How about making a No window transparency tag and restricting it to jpn.
I bet naiohoras' intention with the initial proposal was to discern games that have window transparency and those that don't. This tag is applicable, but in reality it will be sparsely used because so few people tag untranslated games. Meaning there will still be no way to know if a game doesn't have window tranparency, because the tag not being there doesn't mean anything.
#2590 by historyeraser
2021-07-21 at 14:45
< report >I really doubt people are gonna specifically search for VN's with either tag, so they should both go.
#2591 by beliar
2021-07-21 at 15:02
< report >I'm really thinking that's probably what I'll have to do. No one's gonna bother to tag with either one, so the tag won't correctly represent the VNs that are subjected to it.
#2592 by historyeraser
2021-07-21 at 15:43
< report >Romanceable Protagonist Candidate(s) seems like a really awkward sounding name. Like, it seems like it was cranked out of a machine translator.

I think it would be better if it was changed to something like "Romance Between Protagonists" or "Other Protagonist As Romance Option" if you really want to empathize the "choice" part. "Other protagonist as hero/heroine" can also be an alias.
#2593 by beliar
2021-07-21 at 15:48
< report >Yeah, I remember not liking the name, and I think it was changed at least once already, as the first iteration name was even worse, but at the time we didn't come up with anything better.

Your titles are not bad. Might do that.
#2594 by naiohoras
2021-07-21 at 23:24
< report >the inital reason that I proposed No Window Transparency Setting is that once upon a time on the most windy and stormy and rainy and cloudy and sad of day, I encountered a nukige with NVL.
I already hate NVL in the first place so I almost stopped playing it. but then I thought "eh, at least it has windows transparancy setting, right?".
with such optimistic mind, I began rummaging the option menu.
a few minutes passed, and I couldn't find it.
"it's a late 2000s VN by a proper company, so why the hell the option doesn't exist".
with a supressed rage I opened vndb create a new tag section and then....
decided to call it off because I didn't feel like it and just search for another vn. it was not until I played Haitoku Shitei Soukan ~Ane no Midara na Yawaniku~ (ADV, but the damned text windows obstructed the heroine's face in H-scene) that I decided something had to be done.

anyway, I believe a group of people share the same dislike as mine, they don't like CGs getting obstructed (especially nukige in my case). we have tags like No Quick Save/Load, No Gallery, No Auto Function which is actually the trend until the last 15 years so I honestly don't know why it got rejected considering these, but, eh...
I still prefer No Window Transparency Setting over the current tag overall. the description need some tinkering so the tag wouldn't be too bloated, but I don't know how.
#2595 by anay
2021-07-23 at 07:51
< report >I think we need tag "Five to Seven Heroines" for easier search a VN with more than four heroines but less than eight.Last modified on 2021-07-23 at 07:51
#2596 by gvbn
2021-07-23 at 08:15
< report >Has Window Transparancy Setting transparency, with an e
#2597 by ninius
2021-07-23 at 12:03
< report >Reptile should have "snakes", "turtles", "crocodiles" and "lizards" as aliases.
#2598 by lunaterra
2021-07-23 at 19:31
< report >Should Achievements be used for VNs that have Steam achievements/console trophies/etc but don't include achievements in the actual VN itself? I was always under the impression that it should, but some people are downvoting the tag on VNs with Steam/console achievements: link

Regardless of the answer, it might be worth amending the description to make it clearer.
#2599 by mrkew
2021-07-23 at 23:55
< report >Tags are there for the game's own content, not an external application.
#2600 by mrkew
2021-07-27 at 00:59
< report >There's an overrule for lolicon, which is now a non-applicable tag in link, would be cool to have that removed.