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#101 by ds1150
2013-05-29 at 20:23
< report >Just a quick question in between: When viewing the page for a VN sexual content tags are hidden by default, I assume that counts for all tags under g23? However, g1446 is listed under sprites and thus shown in the tag summary even if sexual content is turned off.

Shouldn't this tag be considered "sexual content" as well?Last modified on 2013-05-29 at 20:24
#102 by barfboy
2013-05-29 at 21:24
< report >I guess that brings up the question of whether nudity is automatically sexual.
#103 by abyssaleros
2013-05-30 at 07:04
< report >Only for the most of perverted ones I guess (e.g. those hard-core religious zealots of certain towards humanity ill-disposed monotheistic sects).

But seriously what is the matter of this anyway?
Hidding sexual tags while looking at the visual novel entry of let us say a nukige?
If someone is so adverse against sexuality he or she should just filter about age ratings, unless he or she wants to peek at sexual pictures...Last modified on 2013-05-30 at 07:32
#104 by onemore
2013-05-30 at 08:51
< report >@103 Are they really hidden by default? You can hide or unhide tag groups at will, and I thought it shows whatever you chose last time.Last modified on 2013-05-30 at 08:51
#105 by abyssaleros
2013-05-30 at 09:04
< report >No they are not, a flaw in my eyes, although one I do not care, as I normally take a wide arch around non sexual visual novels, as I am interested into japanese culture because of their non tabooing attitude towards sexuality in media like novels, manga and games [see Gabezhul's rightfull comment].

But someone who cannot stand sexuality should for his or her own sake not peek at 18+ material.
So in my opinion hidding sexual content tags is like censoring the cover of a porn DVD while still looking at it. So the only save way is to just use the age rating filter or not using this database.Last modified on 2013-05-30 at 09:40
#106 by gabezhul
2013-05-30 at 09:04
< report >No, they are not hidden by default, Onemore is right. The same goes for the spoiler settings and the summary/all settings. The only one that is always off by default is the option regarding the NSFW screenshots and covers, but you can show even those by default by ticking a checkbox on your profile.

As for the nude sprites tag, I agree with the ones speaking above me. Nudity does not automatically mean sexuality any more than revealing clothes or swimsuits, and should not be treated as such by our tag-hierarchy either.

@Abyssaleros: You might want to clarify your statement about Japan's "non-tabooing attitude towards sexuality", because it is just blatantly wrong. They are one of the most sexually repressed nations on the planet, and arguably THE most sexually repressed non-zealous nation. It's just that they are using their media as an outlet for their pent-up frustrations while vigorously trying to pretend said media doesn't exist in their everyday lives so that they can sleep better at night. Japan is kinda weird like that.Last modified on 2013-05-30 at 09:12
#107 by abyssaleros
2013-05-30 at 09:26
< report >#106
Done.
I was just thinking in medias res (pun).
No I was just referring to written and drawn art.
But let us not hijack this thread, if you see sufficient need feel free to open a thread under my profile.Last modified on 2013-05-30 at 09:53
#108 by ano
2013-05-30 at 09:42
< report >For g1446, I wanted to put it under sexual content, but I forgot.
I wonder in which case somebody would put this tag without it being related to sexual content.
If such cases happen a lot in the future, then it will mean it's ok as it is.
#109 by gabezhul
2013-05-30 at 09:50
< report >@Abyssaleros: Nah, just checking. It just sounded weird coming from you. :P
#110 by soketsu
2013-05-30 at 09:50
< report >
They are one of the most sexually repressed nations on the planet
wrong
They are the most.
Graphic(drawn) media enables the japs to fully molest the full potential of sexuality. They are the only ones who dare to project even the most unimaginable sexual act. Just take "tentacles" for example. Its very origin is japan.

In spite of being the most fucked up... I mean, sexually aggressive(?), japs doesn't seem to be very explicit. Explicit in the sense of censorship. They can heedlessly illustrate graphic guro yet remain modest(?) enough to put mosaic in genitals.
#111 by gabezhul
2013-05-30 at 10:21
< report >Tentacles are not a good example. I mean, sure, it has historical precedences in Japanese art, but the phenomenon mainly developed because of post-WWII Japanese censorship laws (or rather, to circumvent them).
Also, I wouldn't call them -the- most repressed nation, simply because there are still places in the Islamic world where a woman can be imprisoned or otherwise punished for showing an ankle, and they don't even have the media outlet Japan has... You don't really get any more repressed than that unless someone locks you away in a dark room underground and cuts off your hands to stop you from jerking off... -.-

P.S.: Also, yeah, I think I will stay out of this thread from now. I don't want to further the offtopic in a DB thread any more than I have already done... -.-
#112 by silence
2013-05-30 at 13:36
< report >Please, add a "Magic Crest" alias for i1243. I think this makes sense.
#113 by ds1150
2013-05-30 at 16:57
< report >@102, @105, I didn't mean to bring up that question. Personally I'm not really interested in most non 18+ VNs either. I was just wondering since I've stumbled upon it and didn't mean to bring up a large discussion. It's fine as it is for me.

Assuming they were off by default was my mistake, I'm sorry. Let's leave it at this then :)
#114 by atlantima
2013-05-31 at 01:42
< report >Please add link to Wikipedia article to g166.
#115 by silence
2013-05-31 at 14:16
< report >May I ask why I can't delete my own tags while in the Modify Tags mode? I can add a dozens of tags and suddenly find out that I added some wrong tags. I can't save the changes after that, and I don't wanna do all the work from the begining...
#116 by yorhel
2013-05-31 at 14:22
< report >@silence: Click in the middle, between the positive and negative score boxes thingies stuff.
#117 by silence
2013-05-31 at 14:30
< report >Oh, thanks :)
#118 by soketsu
2013-06-05 at 12:08
< report >The VN I'm currently in make me think of creatring a NoPan tag.

Description:
This features a non-sexual intercourse scene where a female character wearing normal wear but discreetly not wearing panty or any other garments of similar purpose.

^ kindly add(comment) some more to that description and suggest aliases
#119 by silence
2013-06-09 at 02:47
< report >I know you guys are busy with the tags, but I ask you to make changes in some traits. Or discuss them, of course.

1) Add a "Magic Crest" alias for Magic Tattoo
2) Move Voodoo under Cursing
3) Move Moralist under Proactive
4) Change the name of Tominagi position to "Launch Pad" (still, the "Tominagi" word is unfamiliar to most people), move tominagi to aliases, replace the link with this one: link
5) Oh, and please change the link for Seventh Posture to this one or any other with the visual example.Last modified on 2013-06-09 at 03:14
#120 by onemore
2013-06-09 at 03:49
< report >While we're on the topic of sex positions - is "deep swallow" how i1133 is called? I've never seen that name; I have, however, seen it referred to as "reverse spitroast".
Also, it should be child to i92.Last modified on 2013-06-09 at 03:52
#121 by silence
2013-06-09 at 04:09
< report >^
If I understand correctly, this trait describes the 'threesome' variation of Deep Swallow position, and it's actually penetrative, when the original Deep Swallow is looks like that: link
So, originally it's oral sex of two partners, a variation of cunnilingus.
#122 by gabezhul
2013-06-09 at 04:38
< report >That Voodoo trait is stupid as hell. Voodoo is a full religion that also happens to have the stereotypical "stabbing a doll to curse someone" thing, so at this point I can't even decide if it should be reworked into an Ushinokokumairi trait or turned into a Voodoo trait that is actually about, you know, Voodoo instead of a Japanese type of cursing someone... -.-
#123 by silence
2013-06-09 at 06:11
< report >@122
Can't say anything smart about this, as I'm not the author, and have no special knowledge about this stuff. So I rely on you =)Last modified on 2013-06-09 at 06:13
#124 by onemore
2013-06-09 at 07:02
< report >#121 So actual "deep swallow" is different from what the trait describes. Amirite?
#125 by silence
2013-06-09 at 08:12
< report >^ It seems so. But I'm not a Kamasutra expert or something xD
I just googled it (O_0)