Tags suggestions/fixes

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#1326 by seniorblitz
2018-08-01 at 17:43
Oyaji Hero should be child tag of Adult Hero, since for a character to be an older man they have to be an adult in the first place.
#1327 by dk382
2018-08-02 at 06:17
Would anyone be opposed to a "Magical Realism" tag in order to keep games with a few simple magical elements out of Urban Fantasy? I'm thinking of games like Golden Hour. With some of the games that were tagged with Urban Fantasy, I wouldn't be surprised if we started seeing stuff like Kanon and Clannad tagged with it. "Magical Realism" could be considered of a lesser degree of fantasy where a game takes place in the real world but like, has a ghost or a magical asspull plot device or something.

One of the problems with making this distinction is that it'd be hard to draw a line, and then to expect other users to recognize that line and tag properly. In my mind, Urban Fantasy doesn't have to be chuuni or action, but the fantasy needs to be a bigger part of the setting and more involved than just the presence of a reincarnated fox spirit or whatever you see in VNs these days. And there'd be a lot of borderline VNs that'd be hard to classify, so I dunno if this is the best idea. Any thoughts/suggestions?
#1328 by kiru
2018-08-02 at 06:36
^I think Golden Hour is fine as Urban Fantasy anyway. Maybe not a 3, but the main story is somewhat fitting for that, even if the other routes are less or even not at all.
#1329 by leery
2018-08-02 at 07:38
I wouldn't know how to delineate magical realism and urban fantasy. As far as I'm concerned, they are synonyms. The 1-star option is a good way to deal with it.


@savagetiger

No Hero(in)es
The issue I have with the tag is that its description conflates a lot of things.

Take any random linear plot game. You go through sex scenes of 15 girls in an order that is (tangentially) relevant to the plot, but none of these girls have an ending. The tag's description implies that I shouldn't tag the game with a Bookworm Heroine just because it doesn't have an ending for the bookworm.

There are _a lot_ of games like that if you look at the pre-1995 market.

(You might be familiar with Kindan no Ketsuzoku (Fatal Relations) which is a terrible game. Seven heroines, only two endings IIRC. And I don't think you got a heroine in either of those.)

In the end, I opted to recommend deletion, but I would be fine if the description was to be redone to remove that "settles down" part.

It won't be a tag I'll use either way.

Half-Japanese Heroine
I reckon your definition of 'most people' includes a very high amount of people who consume fantasy works regularly.

Let us take a hypothetical half-minotaur heroine. A person would type 'half' into the search box, and go through the suggestions.

It returns tags with these: half-brother, half-demon, half-dragon, half-human, half-japanese, half-orphan, transgender

Clearly the person would pick Half-Human Heroine out of those... but then he would have a sudden change of mind! The heroine speaks fluent Japanese! Even goes to an onsen once! She must actually be a Half-Japanese Heroine! Yes, that is the accurate tag. That is what I'm going to use.

Is that how it goes?


Why on earth am I suddenly getting responses to my suggestions now when I got nothing in the six months prior?
#1330 by leewdch
2018-08-06 at 23:25
I was looking for "yandere" tags in the database and I noticed there is no tag for yandere routes and/or yandere secondary characters, only yandere tags for the protagonist (male or female). I think there should be a *dere route for the most common variants. What do you think?
#1331 by kominarachromer
2018-08-06 at 23:45
Hero and heroine indicate that a character is a love interest. Occasionally the tags are also used for main characters in game without a route, but those cases should be fairly evident by looking at the game's plot and characters. Basically, it's completely unnecessary. If you want to find a game with a yandere love interest, look at the Yandere Hero and Yandere Heroine tags.
#1332 by leewdch
2018-08-07 at 00:37
Thanks for the explanation. The hero/heroine confused me since I assumed it was the main character
#1333 by leery
2018-08-10 at 05:15
So, er, beliar, do you want to finish our argument? I'd like to get this list business over with.

(It doesn't have to be you though. I'd appreciate a less stubborn mod to argue with.)

(And I'd like to see some discussion on the items under 'probably need discussion' too. Moderator or not.)
#1334 by beliar
2018-08-10 at 17:27
I'd appreciate a less stubborn mod to argue with.
Leery, don't you know that being a stubborn tightass motherfucker is like a prerequisite to being a moderator. In fact, when Yorhel interviews people for a mod position, the first question he asks is "Are you a stubborn tightass motherfucker?"
So, tough luck finding a less stubborn mod... :-P

### TAG TITLE CHANGES

Correct Choice Indicator: Choice Feedback (?)
I've seen games where the indicator shows a negative response too, so I'd say Feedback is a better wording. Shorter, too.
I admit, that is a possible situation, but I still feel that the current title is better self-explaining than "feedback".

### TAG ALIAS ADDITIONS

Half-Japanese Heroine: Half-Blood Heroine
Dunno about other people, but the first thing I think when hearing half-blood is half-demon, half-angel, half-elf, or any other half-mythical creature. Half-Japanese would be the last thing on my mind and I am afraid the tag will be used incorrectly specifically for such beings, because people do not read descriptions.

Office: Workplace
I can't tell from sakurakoi's reply whether he's with me or against me.
That's like a 99.99% occurrence with Sakurakoi - no surprises there. Anyway, I definitely do not see Office and Workplace as similar enough to be aliases. Office could be a child tag of Workplace, but I don't think we need to create more useless tags.

Classic Tsundere Heroine: Initially Hostile Heroine / Heroine that Hates Protagonist
I stand by my previous thoughts.

Modern Tsundere Heroine: Cutesy Tsundere (maybe even rename tag?)
It is the tag's description condensed into two words. Three if we count 'Heroine'. It clarifies the tag.
*Raises hands in the air* How in the name of seven unholy angels does it clarify the tag - it actually muddles and confuses it's meaning?!

Simulation Game: Life Simulation Game / Artificial Life Game (move over from Raising Simulation)
After some thinking I agree with you. Done.

Heroine's Mother as a Heroine: Oyako Heroines
See t3617.1325

Same Roof: Doukyo / Dousei (t3617.1181)
You really ought to add these two. There are twenty+ games each in the database that have the word in the title. They are not obscure words.
Done.

On the Run: Wanted by the Police
If you're "running away from [...] the police", then you definitely are wanted by the police. Why must the reverse be true too?
Added a "Being Wanted" alias.
If it were 'Wanted by the Mafia', you damn well would be on the run.
But what if you are a stubborn tightass motherfucker who Rambos-up and brings the gunfight to the mafia? What if you are not running from those weak-ass mafiosos?.. :-D
Actually, let's rewrite the whole description. I hate the word 'theme' that was introduced to it.
Tinkered with your description and added my approved version.

Heroine with Thigh-highs: Heroine with Kneesocks / ニーソックス
No one can explain it better than Scorpiondeath t3617.1324
Zettai Ryouiki should never have been alias for Thigh-highs, but what can be done now? Adding 'Kneesocks' to the mix would confuse the issue even further.

Holiday Cottage: Mountain Cabin / Mountain Lodge
Fuck it. Added those aliases.

### DESCRIPTION FIXES/ADDITIONS/WHOLESALE REPLACEMENTS

Nanpa
That's not the way I've been using the tag. Of course, I may have been completely wrong in my use of the tag because not a single soul deigned me with an answer when I posted the question in November.
Either you or me have a wrong understanding of the tag. As far as I'm concerned Nanpa is all about intercourse or rather a one-night-stand. My imagination of nampa goes something like this:
Guy: Hey, Lady. Wanna fuck?
Girl: Totally.
Guy: Awesome.
I may be wrong though. :-(

Heroine with a Braid / Hero with a Braid
I was expecting you to replace the whole description. The current description is a copypaste from wikipedia, and it's so generic that it's worthless.
Do you mean to say that the current description is unclear? I don't think it can be misused. I mean, people are dumb, but not THAT dumb. What more would you like? If you have a better description in mind, I'll gladly hear you out.

Shota Hero / Shota Protagonist / Shota Support Character (t3617.1178)
I'd still like an age range. But I guess deciding on one would be difficult.
Yes, it would be pretty hard.

Imouto-type Heroine / Oneesan-type Heroine
I'm not so sure about the first-degree relative wikipedia link you put in there. It looks to me that step-siblings will be eligible then too.
And so I excluded the step-siblings. Easy...

I'll come back in an hour or two to finish the rest of this.Last modified on 2018-08-10 at 17:29
#1335 by beliar
2018-08-10 at 22:20
Continuation of t3617.1334.

### THINGS I CANNOT QUITE SUMMARISE
t3617.1157: Discrepancies between naming of Twin/Double Hand/Blowjobs
Even the constantly banned Tyciol sometimes had a good point. Removed the Double Blowjob alias for consistency. I'm not sure we need a separate Double Blowjob tag, as the occasions for its use would be few and far between. For now I abstain.

### POTENTIAL DELETIONS
Tetris Game (merge with Tile Matching, t3617.1159) - Deleted. I cannot add it as an alias to 'Tile Matching', as even deleted tags are not allowed as aliases. Maybe there is a workaround. Need to ask Yorhel.
UTAU - Deleted.
P.S. Strange. I'm pretty sure previously deleting tags didn't actually remove them from the respective VNs and Yorhel had to manually purge them. Now it seems the tags disappeared after I deleted them. Has something changed with the programming?
No Hero(in)es (t3617.1258) - I feel the tag can be useful. It's the description that needs to be tinkered with. If anyone has a good solution how to update the current description, I'm all ears.

### THINGS I WOULD STILL LIKE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT
t3617.1101: Is Enjo Kousai the same as Prostitution?
Enkou is sort of a 'prostitution lite' and evokes a rather different image. I'd be mildly in favour of having enkou/prostitution separate, but I don't care either way as long as enkou is represented somewhere in the tag tree.
And I made some comments about that in t3617.1293 and t3617.1296, so, if no one has any more objections........

t3617.1208: 'Story Events' metatag
It is a metatag. They are allowed to have generic titles.
They're all events that probably have very little to do with the story but they are nevertheless rather common occurrences in games.
Created the tag Story Events and tentatively added some child tags.

t3617.1269: Asexual Protagonist is very divisive; is it actually needed?
I say 'no'. Unless someone brings forth a counterargument, I'll delete it.

### THINGS THAT PROBABLY NEED SOME DISCUSSION BEFORE ANYTHING IS DONE
t3617.1140: Trap Heroine etc. rename to Crossdressing Hero
I heartily approve of that. My suggestion: Trap Heroine to Crossdressing Hero, Only Trap Heroines - Only Crossdressing Heros, Reverse Trap Heroine - Crossdressing Heroine, Trap Protagonist - Crossdressing Male Protagonist, Reverse Trap Protagonist - Crossdressing Female Protagonist, Reverse-Trap Support Character - Crossdressing Female Support Character, Trap Support Character - Crossdressing Male Support Character. Also possibly changing the name of Trap on Male to Crossdresser on Male? And I suggest a complete removal of Trap Transformation Ending, as the tag seems to have been completely supplanted by Feminization.

t3617.1150: Haraguro Heroine
I would suggest renaming the tag, as I'm sure not many people (myself included) know what Haraguro is and they don't use the tag when it's applicable. My suggestion is Manipulative Heroine (alias Scheming Heroine). The description also needs to be tinkered a bit.

t3617.1158: Central Heroine is messed up.
My proposal is purging the tag altogether. And I'm not sure we need to reintroduce it. However we spin it, 'Central' or 'Main' heroine will always be used incorrectly.

t3617.1189: Merging and renaming of Janitor Protagonist and Dormitory Manager Heroine and Dormitory Manager Protagonist
In principle I would agree. Renaming DM Heroine and DM Protagonist to a more generic name seems prudent. The only thing I'm not sure - if we should merge the Janitor Protagonist with DM Protagonist, as the former has already been hijacked by various rape-based nukiges.

t3617.1194: Mystery being a child tag of Suspense
I probably agree. If no one objects I'll decouple those.

t3617.1207: Rebellion looks kind of funny under Government and maybe should be moved to Politics
Also agreed. If no one objects I'll do it.

t3617.1239: Split High School Student out of Student Heroine
That one I don't really agree with. Thewayfarer's suggestion is bound to bring chaos to the already tagged VNs. Moreover, from a purely objective perspective, the vast majority of students in visual novels are high school students, thus it's apt that it's an alias. If anything, it's University/College Student that could be split as a child tag to Student, but I'm not sure if it is exactly needed.

t3617.1267: Heroine with Swimsuits (and others in the category) tear down and morph into Swimsuit Fetish
I reckon it's at least five years too late for that though.
True story that. Also, fetish is too strong a word. I would rather uphold a status quo on this tag.

t3617.1274: Creation of a Sea / Ocean parent tag
I agree to this.

### THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BUT NOBODY WANTS TO DO ANYTHING
t3617.1214 through t3617.1238: Split out 'Cheating' from Adultery
Barfboy, who proposed it, already has my answer. No way in hell I'm doing that. A possible compromise is a creation of a child tag (something like 'Side Character Cheating') to be put under 'Cheating' and used only when a female who is not a heroine cheats with (or against) a person who is not the protagonist. However, after imagining all of two visual novels that would use this tag, I'm not much inclined to pollute the DB with more useless tags.

t3617.1226: Yaoi / Bara / Boys' Love / Shotacon / Male homosexuality (the topic goes on for two pages)
I have been pussyfooting with this issue, because I simply fret to use the wrong names for the tags, though t3617.1260 seems to have some good suggestions. So, let's recap:
Yaoi > Male on Male Sex (I suppose it works if we are focusing on the act itself, rather than on sexualities of the participants)
Yaoi Shotacon > the suggestion is Gay Shotacon. There is another appropriate word - Pederasty, but it's an insult, especially in Eastern Europe, so let's stick with Gay Shotacon
Yaoi Rape > Male on Male (good enough, I suppose)
Yaoi NTR > both suggested 'Male NTR' and 'Male on Male NTR' are confusing, so I would suggest sticking with an example two lines above and use Gay NTR. Eh?
Bara - I feel we should keep Bara as is and simply child it under the renamed Yaoi.
Shounen Ai > Male Romance
Boys Love Only > Male Romance Only

If no one has better suggestions to the whole Yaoi/Gay/Homosexual debate, I'll implement the changes tomorrow or the day after.


And now for some outlier stuff:

Delinquent Heroine / Delinquent Hero / Delinquent Protagonist: add alias Furyou Heroine
(Kind of weird that those are under the Student tag, by the way.)
(What the hell is a DNQ?)
Done. Also, DNQ seems to mean 'did not qualify', so ironically it does not qualify as an alias. :-)

Psionics: Doesn't look much different than ESP to me?
Indeed... Strange. One of them needs to go. My suggestion is purging Psionics and adding it as an alias to ESP.

Oh, and please parent Music Club under Musical Environment too.
Done.

A discussion about RNG, starting with t3617.1308.
I immediately thought about roguelikes, after reading the description of the tag. I'm not sure it applies to many VNs though. Rejected the tag for now, unless someone proves it has value.

Heroine's Mother as a Heroine shall be a child of Heroine with Children
Drama Club shall have aliases Engeki-bu / Acting Club / Theatre Club
Done and done.

Anal Rape should be a child tag of Anal Sex.
Wut?

Would LGBTQ be better titled 'LGBTQ Issues'?
Agreed. Currently it seems like every game with gay characters should have the tag applied, which isn't the case.

I think some tweaking should be done to the Multiple Route Mystery tag...
by Seniorblitz.
Agreed. Changed the description accordingly.

Futanari on Female should have 'sexual content' category.
Done.

Oyaji Hero should be child tag of Adult Hero, since for a character to be an older man they have to be an adult in the first place.
I suppose so. Done.

Would anyone be opposed to a "Magical Realism" tag in order to keep games with a few simple magical elements out of Urban Fantasy?
I'm completely sure the tag would be misused to hell and back. It's already clear from Leery's response:
I wouldn't know how to delineate magical realism and urban fantasy. As far as I'm concerned, they are synonyms.
To make it clear in urban fantasy the keyword is 'fantasy', while in magical realism, the keyword is 'realism'. The works of magical realism are frequently very surreal and have lots of 'did it happen or did it not' events. Dreamstates and hallucinations abound. Haruki Murakami's works are prime examples of the genre. Still, I'm not sure we should add it as a tag, as, like you said, it's very hard to draw a line.Last modified on 2018-08-10 at 22:47
#1336 by eacil
2018-08-10 at 22:39
I have been pussyfooting with this issue, because I simply fret
Don't worry, it's the reason why you make such a good "Crossdressing Male Support Character" (btw you renamed one of the two Support as Side).

Gay NTR
Not working. Gay NTR could apply to lesbians. It works with Gay Shotacon because shotacon is a gendered word so you don't have to specify what kind of gay the gayness is.
Can you really misinterpret Male on Male NTR? I mean, how?
Male Homosexual NTR?

Don't forget to remove the aliases like Yaoi Romance, etc.
#1337 by beliar
2018-08-10 at 22:52
you renamed one of the two Support as Side
These ain't the droids you are looking for.
P.S. Does that mean you approve of renaming traps to crossdressers?

Can you really misinterpret Male on Male NTR?
It just sounds weird to me. Also, NTR is an event, not an act, so 'Male on Male' is a worse fit here than 'Male Homosexual NTR'. I would prefer that one for the title.
#1338 by rampaa
2018-08-10 at 23:18
It has been 9 months but I am still waiting for this.
#1339 by seniorblitz
2018-08-10 at 23:21
>Anal Rape should be a child tag of Anal Sex.
I meant that if the VN has anal rape, it already has a form of anal sex, but considering rape is a darker type of sex content already, I think separating it from the anal sex tag makes sense.

Btw another minor request Choices from Other Perspectives should also be under "other perspectives" since for the game to have this type of choice, it must have at least one scene with a different POV in the first place.Last modified on 2018-08-10 at 23:21
#1340 by eacil
2018-08-10 at 23:32
Does that mean you approve of renaming traps to crossdressers?
That's a difficult question.
Either you rewrite the definition to fit otokonoko and good luck with that, or you rename the tag according to the definition and that's easy and objective.
Now, it results we don't have otokonoko tags anymore and I wonder if it will be a problem. It would be if it was doujinshi/manga but is it for VN? It doesn't appear so. Alicia Edith doesn't crossdress to me (didn't play it though > but will!) but he has woman's underwear. Well, I think we need to wait for more convincing samples to start thinking about otokonoko tags. Characters who don't crossdress or who do but so little that the crossdressing tag doesn't do them justice. If there is a gap, I guess somebody will notice.
#1341 by savagetiger
2018-08-11 at 00:15
As long as we leave the current names as alias for those yaoi/trap tags it could work. If you just delete all the current names entirely though it would probably cause a bit of a panic from all those users who don't bother to read the discussion boards and wonder wth just happened.
#1342 by eacil
2018-08-11 at 00:28
I don't mind if we keep yaoi/BL/trap titles as aliases for a time as long as they are removed at some point (not in one year). Just to smooth the transition.Last modified on 2018-08-11 at 00:28
#1343 by leery
2018-08-11 at 06:38
The DNQ alias for Delinquent heroine was probably supposed to be DQN ('dokyun'), which is apparently Japanese slang for, well, delinquent.

DQN has another meaning though: idiot.
And I think that meaning is more common.
#1344 by kominarachromer
2018-08-11 at 07:34
#1343 The most common usage among English speakers (those who even know what DQN means) is delinquent. Same as how “ecchi” and “hentai” is used completely differently in Western communities and in Japan.
#1345 by leery
2018-08-11 at 08:02
I wouldn't know; I know Japanese, I don't know how English speakers 'know' Japanese.
#1346 by skorpiondeath
2018-08-11 at 12:59
Zettai Ryouiki should never have been alias for Thigh-highs, but what can be done now? Adding 'Kneesocks' to the mix would confuse the issue even further.
I think you can safely change Heroine with Thigh-highs with "Heroine with Zettai Ryouiki" since description clearly talks about that and maybe we can just downvote the few VN that don't have a single heroine with a skirt and thigh-highs or knee socks. Maybe consider adding the picture that explain Zettai Ryouiki. Otherwise this tag is useless as it is...I don't get what good can do.

After that you could repropose the tag "Heroine with Thigh-Highs" maybe merging the with tag Stockings which has no true use now since it states "This game has quite number of scenes where the scene's focus is on stockings.", but I used constantly to tag heroines.
Probably the idea about Stockings was to tag VN where the stockings theme is relevant and like let say 70% or more of the CG are about stockings/pantyhose and hosiery in general (like for example Bikyaku Seido Kaichou Ai "Ko, Kono Hentai! Watashi no Tights ni Nante Koto o...!").
So I find 2 possible solution for Stockings:
A) Rework the tag
A.1) Is about a theme not heroines (stockings/pantyhose fetish) move it under "Theme->Sexual Content" and rename it like Stockings/Pantyhose Fetish
A.2) His description should clearly states how much "quite number of scenes" it is, like you can deduce protagonist has a stocking fetish or he clearly states he has one (again like Bikyaku Seido Kaichou Ai "Ko, Kono Hentai! Watashi no Tights ni Nante Koto o...!").

B) Delete the tag
B.1) Delete the tag and merge his entries with "Heroine with Thigh-Highs"

About:
Heroine with Swimsuits (and others in the category) tear down and morph into Swimsuit Fetish
True story that. Also, fetish is too strong a word. I would rather uphold a status quo on this tag.
Just my personal opinion but now that we have traits to apply to every character which wears a swimsuit with it the tag is kinda obsolete, ofc it has it use for older VN with no character listed but I find the "Swimsuit Fetish", "Stocking Fetish" appealing because it tells you something about the theme of the VN.
The main problem is how to classify a VN under the "Fetish Theme"...again one way could be that the protagonist clearly states his fetish...second way could be the high amount of CG around the subject (like Yuuguu Settai ~Kotou no Gokuraku e Youkoso~ is for swimsuits).Last modified on 2018-08-11 at 13:04
#1347 by thewayfarer
2018-08-11 at 23:20
#1346
Just my personal opinion but now that we have traits to apply to every character which wears a swimsuit with it the tag is kinda obsolete, ofc it has it use for older VN with no character listed but I find the "Swimsuit Fetish", "Stocking Fetish" appealing because it tells you something about the theme of the VN.
I can see you're thinking what I'm thinking what you're thinking about the Swimsuit tag I tried suggesting so...what *can* we do just to identify 'that' VN is sexually focused on swimsuits? The...only problem is that things focused on one thing -- sexually -- would straightly be called a "Fetish". As in sexual gratifications of things that turn you on. Plus VNs can find itself into sexual gratification. So you could count it might be focused into a particular topic whenever it calls for...again, fetishism. In fact, that might coincide with Nukige because fetishism blends smooth with sexual content.

I don't think there's a reason for me to say "Fetish is a strong word." It's just my personal opinion and somehow that's been bought out. But I can say that "Fetishism" and Nukige *might* fall into the same category. But fetishism could always coincide with sexual focused VNs and who knows...someone has a fetish for "tentacles" but might not make sense to me just to see a "Tentacle Fetish" tag. I could be overthinking that but there's "redundancy" concerns. We should go with the commonly and "acceptable" categories people can have fetishes on. :/

But, are "Fetish" and "Nukige" actually the same thing?Last modified on 2018-08-11 at 23:33
#1348 by leery
2018-08-12 at 07:57
Great, now the people trapped on a burning ship are no longer trapped; instead, they're confined.


Story Events
I don't think Battle Royale belongs there. Or War. I think they're too major to be the minor plot-irrelevant points I intended the metatag for. But whatever.

Heroine's Mother as a Heroine: Oyako Heroines
See t3617.1325

Oyako means 'parent and child' and there's no particular emphasis on the word 'and' there. I'm not sure where either of you are getting the implication that they come as a pair.

Heroine with a Braid / Hero with a Braid
> I was expecting you to replace the whole description. The current description is a copypaste from wikipedia, and it's so generic that it's worthless.
Do you mean to say that the current description is unclear? I don't think it can be misused. I mean, people are dumb, but not THAT dumb. What more would you like?

Yes, it is unclear. Have you actually tried reading it?

Is the tag really for heroines that have a 'complex structure or pattern formed by intertwining three or more strands of flexible material'?

Textile fibres? Cool, I can use it for heroines that have hip clothes!

Wire? I guess the heroine is an artist and carries a bunch of metal wires with her!

Hair? Who cares. That's just an example among three. I doubt there's a heroine around who braids her hair. The first two ones are soooo much more common in games.

If you have a better description in mind, I'll gladly hear you out.

I did give you a better description. Everybody knows what braided hair looks like. Do you think 'dumb people' can visualise what a 'complex structure or pattern formed by intertwining three or more strands of flexible material' looks like?

I'm hardly on the dumb end, and I can't.

Imouto-type Heroine / Oneesan-type Heroine
> I'm not so sure about the first-degree relative wikipedia link you put in there. It looks to me that step-siblings will be eligible then too.
And so I excluded the step-siblings. Easy...

Why not just have it read "who is not a sibling or a step-sibling"? It's way clearer.


Also, this is my fetish: linkLast modified on 2018-08-12 at 08:12
#1349 by beliar
2018-08-12 at 10:56
Great, now the people trapped on a burning ship are no longer trapped; instead, they're confined.
So? Seems legit. You yourself tried to school me on aliases and now you are having a buyer's remorse? For shame, Leery.
P.S. How the hell are you tracking the changes I made?

I don't think Battle Royale belongs there. Or War.
As I said , the current additions are tentative. I might tinker with them in the coming days. Especially if people give suggestions what might fit in that category.

Oyako means 'parent and child' and there's no particular emphasis on the word 'and' there. I'm not sure where either of you are getting the implication that they come as a pair.
That is what immediately comes to my mind. You know, no one is gonna die or be carted off to prison if I do not add that alias. ;-)

Why not just have it read "who is not a sibling or a step-sibling"? It's way clearer.
Legit. Made the change.

Yes, it is unclear. Have you actually tried reading it?
*sigh* I changed the description to the one provided by the Oxford Dictionary. Be happy, be drunk...

Regarding the Scorpiondeath's suggestions, does anyone object to me renaming the currently poorly named Heroine with Thigh-highs to "Heroine with Zettai Ryouiki" and changing the currently useless Stockings to "Stockings Fetish"?

Haraguro Heroine needs to be either renamed to Manipulative/Scheming/Machiavellian Heroine, or completely purged and a new tag created with the aforementioned names. Suggestions?

t3617.1158 - Reportedly Central Heroine is a mess. My suggestion is completely removing the tag, as it doesn't appear to be fixable in the current state. Thoughts?

And now regarding the tags currently stuck in the queue:
Near Future - I'm afraid people are gonna use a different definition what constitutes "Near Future". That's why I'm not sure about approving the tag.
Foreign Language Learning - I'm not sure we need to split the Education tag further, especially because most of the games currently under it are already related to language learning. I'm leaning towards denying it.
Pedophile Protagonist, Lolicon Protagonist, Shotacon Protagonist - Usagi's suggestions. t3617.1224. Seem to have merit, so I'm likely to approve them.
Story recap - Dunno how many VNs are there that use this technique.
Test of Courage - Not sure if people are not gonna misuse the tag for the most arbitrary of reasons.
Non-protagonist love - Do we have any VNs that would require this tag, instead of, let's say, "Love Triangle" tag?
Ladder Structure - Seems to have merit, but I'm not sure if people are gonna use it correctly. I'm afraid it would soon become a mess if approved.
Homicidal Hero - are there many VNs, where the Hero is simply a murderer, without Yandere or Yangire traits coming into effect?

EDIT: And how do you feel about the potential removal of Trap Transformation Ending, as I see it as completely redundant to Feminization?Last modified on 2018-08-12 at 11:03
#1350 by seniorblitz
2018-08-12 at 15:53
I tried to explain Ladder Structure in the simplest way I could tbh, I mainly requested It since I thought there were more than enough games with this system, and it is pretty recgonazible because of how It Works (you "deny" hero 1 you continue the Common route until you reach the choices for hero 2, etc. Like a ladder). I also requested It since I have some acquintances that dislike this type of structure in the VNs they play and só a tag could help avoid this type of VN.

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