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#1351 by savagetiger
2018-08-12 at 21:54
Haraguro Heroine - just rename it if you think people don't know what Haraguro means, but leave that as an alias.
Is it really misused?
There's Haraguro Hero too.

Romanceable protagonist candidate(s) needs to be properly capitalizedLast modified on 2018-08-12 at 22:06
#1352 by kominarachromer
2018-08-13 at 00:20
Ludum Dare Game Jam - At this point, I feel like we should just remove all of the specific game jam tags; I don't think they really add anything, and any criteria for inclusion is going to seem vague and arbitrary.
#1353 by minah
2018-08-13 at 00:41
^ I agree, I don't see how having more specific tags than Game Jam gives you any extra useful information.
#1354 by leery
2018-08-13 at 02:58
>> Yes, it is unclear. Have you actually tried reading it?
> *sigh* I changed the description to the one provided by the Oxford Dictionary. Be happy, be drunk...

The part you changed is much better, but I will not be happy until you include the word 'hair' in the very first sentence of the description. Is there a reason you are avoiding it?

"This game has at least one heroine with braided hair." or "This game has at least one heroine with her hair in braids." would be fine for me.

>> Great, now the people trapped on a burning ship are no longer trapped; instead, they're confined.
> So? Seems legit. You yourself tried to school me on aliases and now you are having a buyer's remorse? For shame, Leery.

No, I'm not having buyer's remorse. You did not do a change of alias -- you made a change of title. You ought not to make major changes to a tag without running them through other people.

> P.S. How the hell are you tracking the changes I made?

ESP and/or psionics.

> Regarding the Scorpiondeath's suggestions, does anyone object to me renaming the currently poorly named Heroine with Thigh-highs to "Heroine with Zettai Ryouiki" and changing the currently useless Stockings to "Stockings Fetish"?

I like Stockings Fetish. Don't care either way about the first one.

> Haraguro Heroine needs to be either renamed to Manipulative/Scheming/Machiavellian Heroine, or completely purged and a new tag created with the aforementioned names. Suggestions?

I'd go for Manipulative.

> t3617.1158 - Reportedly Central Heroine is a mess. My suggestion is completely removing the tag, as it doesn't appear to be fixable in the current state. Thoughts?

Dunno, one of those things I haven't run across (yet). Deletion sounds viable.
I only recognise My Fair Angel and Kana ~Imouto~ out of the games tagged with it, and a few handfuls I know the titles of but am not familiar with the games.

For Kana ~Imouto~ it makes sense, for My Fair Angel not that much (it's a single-girl raising sim, which of course has other heroines too. Otherwise it would be a boring game.)

tbh, if you only see a single character on the cover, it seems like a probable candidate for this tag...

> And now regarding the tags currently stuck in the queue:
> Near Future - I'm afraid people are gonna use a different definition what constitutes "Near Future". That's why I'm not sure about approving the tag.

Sounds like a Twenty Minutes into the Future to me.

> Foreign Language Learning - I'm not sure we need to split the Education tag further, especially because most of the games currently under it are already related to language learning. I'm leaning towards denying it.

Educational is not a highly populated tag; I don't think it needs any splitting.
You could add some sort of 'learning'/'teaching game' aliases to Educational for searching.

> Pedophile Protagonist, Lolicon Protagonist, Shotacon Protagonist - Usagi's suggestions. t3617.1224. Seem to have merit, so I'm likely to approve them.

I would assume a protagonist of that kind be the default in the games geared for that audience. Don't care either way.

I don't particularly like the filing under Psychological Problems though I can see the reasoning.
(I'm not objecting -- as long as the tag can be found elsewhere too. And it can.)

> Story recap - Dunno how many VNs are there that use this technique.

The database does seem to have a lot of technical tags that sound marginal (to me).

> Test of Courage - Not sure if people are not gonna misuse the tag for the most arbitrary of reasons.

It's fine for me. One of those events that happen quite often in a Japanese setting, and I even used the tag once. I would assume the word 'kimodameshi' that was supplied as alias will ring bells for people.

Object to the word "significant" in the description though. File it under Story Events.

> Non-protagonist love - Do we have any VNs that would require this tag, instead of, let's say, "Love Triangle" tag?

Terrible name.

> Ladder Structure - Seems to have merit, but I'm not sure if people are gonna use it correctly. I'm afraid it would soon become a mess if approved.

My primary concern is that it will require quite a few playthroughs of a game to be able to discern the presence of that sort of structure, if any.

> Homicidal Hero - are there many VNs, where the Hero is simply a murderer, without Yandere or Yangire traits coming into effect?

Should be named Murderer Hero at least. Homicidal means 'with a desire to commit murder'.

So, er, if I didn't voice a clear opinion above, it was a "don't care".

Randomized Events: "Example of a game with randomized events: v19637"

Yeah, that's an SLG. Well, possibly raising sim.Last modified on 2018-08-13 at 05:33
#1355 by leery
2018-08-13 at 04:30
Today, in the series of 'what the hell is this tag for and why isn't it a metatag':


and why the hell does it have Castle under it anyway.
Actually, I'd delete the tag and petition for legal custody of its children.

The fact that it has (irrelevant) children is problematic, so I'd prefer its children be moved anyway. Apartment Building is the only child that makes sense.

I mean, it's technically OK but what sort of a game would be tagged as 'House'? Wouldn't 'Home' or something make more sense? Assuming it's for the 'private tutor' type of games.

Please rename it to 'House, M.D.'

(Incidentally, I would say Body of Water fits better as a metatag too.)

While we're on the subject: Teacher Protagonist / Teacher Hero / Teacher Heroine possibly should have a 'Private Tutor Protagonist' / 'Katei Kyoushi' / 'Governess' aliases. That, or someone needs to propose new tags. New tags would probably be better.

By the way, I found a game where No Sense of Direction Heroine would apply except for the fact that she's (a) protagonist. I don't particularly want to create a tag for it. What should I do?Last modified on 2018-08-13 at 04:53
#1356 by dk382
2018-08-13 at 05:25
At the very least, I agree that "House" should not have those child tags. A tag meant for "regular houses" is fine and holds meaning, but it shouldn't be a parent tag for so much random crap.

Also for Haunted House, I see both games with haunted-house style attractions found in culture festivals, theme parks, etc, as well as games that are set in lived-in houses that are actually (or thought to be) haunted. I don't think it's very useful to have these things sharing a tag, but I'm not sure the best way to separate them are, or if we should just axe the theme-park style haunted house attractions or what.Last modified on 2018-08-13 at 05:34
#1357 by kiru
2018-08-13 at 06:24
@1354: You can easily figure out a game's structure by checking any walkthrough. Especially ladder structure is obvious. See link (edit: Kinda nsfw site btw, because of advertisement for VNs)Last modified on 2018-08-13 at 06:26
#1358 by leery
2018-08-13 at 06:29
Rename it to Private Home and alias Regular House, General House, Sergeant House, etc.

A tag's title should optimally be around 10-20 characters in length. Anything shorter is hard to find. Anything longer is an eyesore.
#1359 by minah
2018-08-16 at 00:57
Please add BxB Romance as an alias to Male Romance and GxG Romance as an alias to Shoujo Ai.

Come to think of it, should the Shoujo Ai and Yuri tags also be renamed like the yaoi-related tags were?
#1360 by kominarachromer
2018-08-16 at 01:37
#1359 probably, since like half the titles tagged with yuri only have threesomes in them
#1361 by leery
2018-08-20 at 08:52
Does a club president's role have much of a difference to a plain club member's role?

If not, I would be in favour of merging the two 'sports club president' tags with 'sports club member' tags. Neither of the president tags have been used much.

School Sports Club President Hero -> School Sports Club Member Hero
School Sports Club President Heroine -> School Sports Club Member Heroine

These ones might be worth considering too:

Student Club President Hero -> Student Club Member Hero
Student Club President Heroine -> Student Club Member Heroine
Student Club President Protagonist -> Student Club President Protagonist

Discipline Committee Leader Heroine -> Discipline Committee Member Heroine
Discipline Committee Leader Protagonist -> Discipline Committee Member Protagonist

Student Council President Hero -> Student Council Member Hero (XXX This one lacks parent-child relationships.)
Student Council President Heroine -> Student Council Member Heroine
Student Council President Protagonist -> Student Council Member ProtagonistLast modified on 2018-08-20 at 09:20
#1362 by kiru
2018-08-20 at 08:54
^Does it matter if you are a king or just a subject?

In other words, of course it matters. A whole damn lot.
#1363 by leery
2018-08-20 at 09:04
Both a senpai and a president have plenty of authority at a club, in my experience.

But only one gets its own tag.
#1364 by leery
2018-08-26 at 12:06
Game Show

A significant part of this game is set on a game show.

How many games would use the tag? One? Two?

Three, I'd believe. I found a use for it, and whoever proposed it had tagged one or two games with it.

It's a shame that you don't have a 'recently tagged' link for awaiting-moderation tags. Would surely make beliar's work easier? He could even check whether the tag has been used!
#1365 by beliar
2018-08-26 at 12:35
It's a shame that you don't have a 'recently tagged' link for awaiting-moderation tags.

God, yes. It would help a lot if I could see if anyone used the proposed tags recently.
#1366 by yorhel
2018-08-26 at 12:38
It's a shame that you don't have a 'recently tagged' link for awaiting-moderation tags.
The functionality exists, just the link is missing. E.g. link - the id in the URL can be any tag, even one that hasn't been approved yet.
#1367 by leery
2018-08-26 at 12:48
Oh, I do know that you can plug the ID in manually. I was just pointing out that the handy link was missing.
#1368 by leery
2018-08-27 at 05:28
Things that happened yesterday:

- a bunch of tags were approved
- a bunch of tags were rejected
- Yuri got renamed to Lesbian Sex
- Shoujo Ai got renamed to Female Romance
- Yuri Rape got renamed to Lesbian Rape, Yuri NTR into Lesbian NTR
- GxG & BxB propositions were handled
- House got renamed to 'Domicile' (alias: Home), description amended. Children intact.
- Student Council President Hero got re-parented
- Heroine with Zettai Ryouiki got renamed, thigh-highs nowhere to be found now
- Braided hair issue settled.
- War & Battle Royale thrown out of Story Events as proposed
- Transgender Heroine: New alias 'Ladyboy Heroine', some description changes
- Gender Bending: New children: Transgender Heroine / Transgender Protagonist / Transgender Hero / Non-Binary Characters
- USSR now filed under Past Earth (and not Modern Day Earth)

...I think that's it? Just putting this here in case someone wants to comment. Not really satisfied with the Domicile changes myself.

By the way, whatever happens to Central Heroine should happen to Central Hero too I presume. I'm not terribly convinced something /needs/ to happen though.
#1369 by pabloc
2018-08-31 at 13:33
When I see "female romance" I think of otome games. It's not intuitive at all.
Why not use "Girls love" instead? Especially when we have Girls Love Only
Same with Male Romance -> "Boys love"
#1370 by ramaladni
2018-08-31 at 13:51
there was a similar discussion on another thread. the change that #1369 proposes makes more sense.
#1371 by harleyquin
2018-08-31 at 13:53
Alias "Kankin" for Confinement
#1372 by rampaa
2018-08-31 at 14:44
@beliar please have a look at this.Last modified on 2018-08-31 at 14:44
#1373 by maggierobot
2018-08-31 at 23:19
Only a tiny typo
Only Cross-dressing Heros instead of "Only Cross-dressing Heroes"
#1374 by armony
2018-08-31 at 23:55
Judging by the descriptions of the former trap tags, now they also apply to crossdressers other than traps. Why? It will make searching for visual novels with a specific type of crossdresser more difficult. Let's say someone is looking for vn with an otokonoko character, which is what those tags were originally intended for. Now they will have to to sift through a list of visual novels with characters like Akebi. On a side note, as was pointed out in link, traps shouldn't be equated with cross-dressing in the first place.
Another issue is that there's a significant overlap between the revised trap tags and okama tags.

Also, what's with the requirement that cross-dressing heroines and side characters must speak like the opposite sex? The last time I checked, cross-dressing was about wearing clothes and accessories intended for the opposite gender, not about the way someone speaks. And what does it mean exactly to speak like a girl/boy? Does it refer to gendered language (e.g., pronouns), tone of voice, or both? What about the non-Japanese and/or unvoiced games where character's way of speaking may be inapparent?

Lastly, the descriptions are inconsistent. Descriptions of Cross-dressing Female Support Character, Cross-dressing Male Support Character and Cross-dressing Heroine include the bit about speaking like a girl/boy, but Cross-dressing Hero doesn't.
On the other hand, descriptions of Cross-dressing Female Protagonist and Cross-dressing Male Protagonist state that protagonist must pretend to be the opposite sex. Perhaps they should be renamed to Protagonist Disguised in Drag then.Last modified on 2018-08-31 at 23:57
#1375 by barfboy
2018-09-01 at 01:52
Wait, what happened? Why are traps not Heroines?


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