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#1801 by namingmegently
2019-08-11 at 14:34
The Victorian era was not part of the Early Modern Period, and so it shouldn't be an alias of Early Modern Period Earth.

The tag Early Modern Period Earth was clarified in t3617.860:

Early Modern Period (*3)

*3: Only valid for VNs set outside Japan. Use tags under Japanese History for VNs in Japan. Approx early 16th - late 18th century. After Medieval period and before industrial revolution.
#1802 by ginseigou
2019-08-11 at 21:32
Only 2 games under Trap Transformation Ending tag. I think it's useless.
#1803 by lunaterra
2019-08-21 at 18:58
Birthrate Decline shouldn't be under Setting. It would make more sense under Other Elements or possibly Story Events.
#1804 by kratoscar2008
2019-08-23 at 01:22
#1803
How so? That tag usually applies to the whole setting, if you see the tagged VNs all of them have the decline as being the central focus of the story or setting and usually why the sex happens.

On another note we really need the ability to remove tags from VNs, it helps in many cases where people tag just based on nothing but a hunch. It wouldnt be such an issue if the downvoted tag didnt show in the search results or you have more than 2 people voting for it as it makes it so other users doesnt knows which is right.
Recently the nameable protag tag was used in the latest moonstone cherry game and the reason? The user worluvus seems to have only played Imoparas and assumed that this new game would have it too and he didnt even bothered to try the trial which shows such feature isnt present. That tag needs to be erased not downvoted, its there just to confuse people.Last modified on 2019-08-23 at 01:26
#1805 by lunaterra
2019-08-23 at 01:51
There are three types of tags under settings:

* "Scene" = physical locations (e.g., school, hotel, amusement park, military base, etc.)
* "Universe" = is the VN set in our universe or another universe? If it's set in our universe, what geographic location is it set in? (e.g., Japan, Europe, USA, etc.)
* "Time Period" = what time period is the VN set in? present, past, future? (also includes seasons, which doesn't quite fit in with the rest but makes sense)

"Birthrate Decline" just doesn't make sense alongside these. Meanwhile, Other Elements includes other "event" settings like Battle Royale, Apocalypse, and everything under Story Events.
#1806 by kratoscar2008
2019-08-23 at 01:58
Ah i see, yeah i guess that makes sense.
#1807 by barfboy
2019-08-25 at 12:45
I created a tag
Ordered Choices
About two weeks ago. I should have said 'Every' instead of 'the'. Every first choice is for the first heroine, every second choice is for the second heroine, every third choice is for the third heroine, and so forth. I'm trying to describe games like
Yumekoi ~Yume Miru Mahou Shoujo to Koi no Jumon~
and many others where every choice is ordered according to heroine. This can make it much easier for players to know what they're getting into when starting a game so tags like
Blind Choices
are less confusing. The choices in Yumekoi are only 'blind choices' if you don't realize they're also ordered.
#1808 by barfboy
2019-08-31 at 23:15
New question. New post.

I want to create a trait for 'exposed' clothing? I don't know what to call it. Reason is: Roshutsu Kei Mahou Shoujo Lovely ☆ Lily

Best way to explain is to show it
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When she transforms her body is purposely exposed to maximize her embarrassment (her magic is based on embarrassment) so her crotch is exposed and her top is transparent.

I was thinking 'Exposed'

This character wears clothing which purposely exposes the breasts, buttocks, or sexual organs of the character when worn properly.

This trait can then be a parent trait for tags like all the crotchless traits
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and would cover some (but not all) types of Transparent clothing.

The boorus used to call it 'useless clothing' but has since moved on to some other umbrella term that all the cool kids use now which I don't know. Although the tag still exists nothing is tagged with it anymore
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Examples in fan art are numerous although Satoshi Urushihara is the granddaddy of the trope.
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Just looking for input before I submit something.Last modified on 2019-08-31 at 23:17
#1809 by nakage
2019-09-09 at 10:37
I think the Iyashikei tag should be re-evaluated.
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It's listed as being something that is open for interpretation and not something that developers will aim to create. This is simply untrue, and such reasoning can be argued with many tags on this website. Utsuge can be a genre that is subjective as the loss of a character by the end of a story may still completely prevent a cathartic ending to some people, for example. I consider the KEY VN Rewrite to be an Utsuge as the game was just straight up depressing. I would have never played it had I known what happens.

Let's take VA-11 HALL-A
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Many people consider VA-11 HALL-A to be a relaxing game, and the intent of the game is fairly clear. There is no tag to denote that this game contains any of this. For me, Kamidori Alchemy Meister also has themes which are fairly laid back. The game is not very fast paced, and features many laid back moments in it. There are still no tags that denote this at all.

The entire concept of a moege also brings rise to this tag being necessary. Say, for instance, a person may want to read a low-conflict story. You can exclude a few tags (nakige, utsuge, drama, thriller) and still end up with games like Evenicle or the Rance games. Those games contains rape. So we have to add several more tags until we have an exclusion list 6-10 tags long, that still won't remove everything (unless you knew every single possible tag) when we could just have a single tag get the job done.

The idea of excluding tags is also not a good one. Remember VA-11 HALL-A, a game designed to fit this tag? When you exclude these tags, VA-11 HALL-A gets removed as it contains a little bit of drama in it. You would miss out on one of the most iconic relaxation games on the market just because there isn't a tag denoting that it's a relaxation game.

The genre is also not unheard of. Just type in "Iyashikei" into google and you will get a lot of results to media that is strictly designed to fit this genre. This isn't unheard of. Writers do write stories to be an Iyashikei (moege especially). Saying that it's open to interpretation is an extremely weak argument.Last modified on 2019-09-09 at 10:41
#1810 by namingmegently
2019-09-14 at 12:01
The Relationship Chart tag needs additional clarification on whether it's to be used for static charts that illustrate the main characters' relations with each other, or if it's to be used for dynamic charts that depict the main characters' ongoing relationship towards the protagonist via affection meters.

Hint: The first example provided in the tag's description is from Sakura Sakura and more information on its mechanic can be found at link . The second example provided in the tag's description is from Kuru Kuru Coeur and more information on its mechanic can be found at link .


If it makes it any clearer, rename Relationship Chart to 'Relationship Gauge'. I assume Gauge Display was created for non-relationship gauges, yes?Last modified on 2019-09-16 at 19:50
#1811 by fuukanou
2019-09-16 at 01:11
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Wrong its in description.
#1812 by warfoki
2019-09-25 at 20:55
So... I'm back. I initially only thought to be away for half a week, but then irl nonsense made that more like 3 weeks and after that I just felt super guilty for going awol AGAIN, despite promising myself not to, so I felt awkward about coming back, which then I used to procrastinate me doing anything here for like two months by going "eh, I'll get back to it tomorrow"... Oops.

Anyway, I cleared up the tag queue, will clear the trait queue in about an hour or so.

For now, let me address the yet to be answered issues in this thread.

Now then:

Engine - I'm fairly sure this can go at this point. I'll ask Yorhel if they got properly converted and all, if so, I'll purge it.

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The Victorian era was not part of the Early Modern Period, and so it shouldn't be an alias of Early Modern Period Earth.

Ugh, you dug up a 3 year old post for that. Look, I realize that the structure posted there would be superior to what we have right now. There's a reason though we never implemented it: it would require a metric ton of retagging. But, ehh, since we need to do some restructuring anyway, unless someone sneakily did the overhaul I started before disappearing in the meanwhile, I take a look at this. Probably deserves its own thread through.

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Trap Transformation Ending - Agreed, there doesn't same to be any interest in this tag. Deleted.

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Birthrate Decline - Agreed, moved it under Other Elements.

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Ordered Choices - Fixed it.

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I want to create a trait for 'exposed' clothing? I don't know what to call it.

Wrong thread, but I try to answer anyway. "Exposing Clothes" could work, but where exactly to put it? Over Body Clothing, Upper Body Clothing or Lower Body Clothing? Also this feels a bit too vague to be a non-meta trait. Like, would partially transparent clothes work here. What about super skimpy clothes that would not be properly covering irl, but because of the angle the character is drawn from, it never actually exposes anything? But yeah, the main issue is that I don't know where to put it.

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Iyashikei - Look, I googled it. And most of the things on the first page were people trying to define the term and somehow coming up with different criteria every time. I get it, they are slow-paced, feel-good titles with no dark plot elements. But that's really, REALLY damn vague and very much up to personal interpretation. Yeah, sure there are going to be some clear cut, undeniable examples, but there are going to be a ton more borderline cases where people just won't agree. There's a reason why Moege was deleted, despite being a way better known "genre".

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Relationship Chart - I added Relationship Gauge as an alias, but that's it. I really think you are splitting hairs with this one.

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Sexual Content - Fixed. How did that slip under the radar for almost a decade, I dunno. I suppose that's another case of nobody reading the description of tags that seem obvious from their names alone.Last modified on 2019-09-26 at 07:12
#1813 by skorpiondeath
2019-09-25 at 21:13
So... I'm back. I initially only thought to be away for half a week
Welcome back m8! Sometime you should tell us how it is to work for a secret government agency! Putting aside jokes no need to feel awkward. Glad to have you back! :D
#1814 by rampaa
2019-09-25 at 21:39
@Warfoki: Welcome back!

Can you have a look at t3617.1785?

Also Only Same-Sex Sexual Content should be made not-taggable (but searchable).
#1815 by warfoki
2019-09-25 at 21:42
The child tag / trait system will see a major overhaul anyway, so I'll get back to this anyway. I was supposed to get that overhaul done like back in July, but... ehmm... yeah... sorry about that.

Changed Only Same-Sex Sexual Content.
#1816 by namingmegently
2019-09-25 at 22:54
For this particular case, the 'Victorian era' alias need only be moved from Early Modern Period Earth to the newly approved 19th Century.

Strange as it seems, I've been beginning to wonder if Restart from Chapter Index could also be confused for a Save/Load feature. Should that be clarified in its description?
#1817 by warfoki
2019-09-25 at 23:08
Moved the Victorian Era alias.

I mean, it kinda is a save feature: once you have cleared a chapter, you can go to the chapter list on the menu and start from there, kinda like a checkpoint. Well, that is unless I fundamentally misunderstood what this tag represents.
#1818 by yorhel
2019-09-26 at 05:16
@Warfoki: Welcome back!

Engine - I'm fairly sure this can go at this point. I'll ask Yorhel if they got properly converted and all, if so, I'll purge it.
Oh, yes, that can definitely go now.
#1819 by warfoki
2019-09-26 at 13:53
Alright then, Engine and its child tags are purged.
#1820 by dk382
2019-09-27 at 00:05
Would there be any opposition to removing Athlete Heroine from being a child tag of Sports? There are many VNs that may feature "athlete heroines" but aren't actually themed around sports, like ef - a fairy tale of the two.. This makes the results when searching for sports less useful.

Also, Athlete Hero is not a child tag of Sports, only Athlete Heroine for some reason, so that needs to be rectified one way or another.

edit: also I propose unlinking sports with Tournament. Many (or most?) of the tournaments described are not sports tournaments.Last modified on 2019-09-27 at 00:16
#1821 by warfoki
2019-09-27 at 00:20
So I know this was supposed to go live, but here's this as a reminder: t12504.19.

I'm currently using method 1), but as per the discussion in t12507 I'll switch to method 2 and at the same time will try to reorganize everything so that child tags would 100% require their parent tags.

That'll probably mean a major overhaul of how the parent-child structure works. As such I'm not going to organize things separately right now. I'll probably spend a ton of time on this next week / this weekend anyway....
#1822 by namingmegently
2019-10-12 at 16:36
I forgot to add that the sole exception for the "dedicated button" part of Jump to Next Choice & Jump to Last Choice's description is for when this button is also shared with the Skip Scenes function.

Edit: Actually maybe it works better without that exception added since you wouldn't be able to completely bypass choice selections when skipping scenes anyways, so those cases would really just fall under the Skip Scenes function and not Skip to Choices, even if the former indirectly involves the latter.


Also, "choice" in the tag name should probably be made plural instead of singular to lessen the inclination of applying a tag vote strength of 3 or 2 on a VN that only allows you to jump back to the most recently passed choice selection and not any further back than that. This is only an inherent problem with Jump to Last Choice, so it'd be better to pluralize its name to some form of Jump to Prior Choices. Not to mention "last choice" was already problematic since it's not necessarily indicating the last passed choice but could also be interpreted to mean the last choice at the end of the VN, so that needed rephrasing anyway. Jump to Next Choice can stay singular since I've never encountered a VN that will only let you jump to the next choice selection and no more than that, so long as what's being jumped past was already read text as that's the only apparent dividing line for VNs with the Jump to Next Choice function: ones that allow for jumping past unread text and ones that don't. However, aside from each individually applied vote strength, I don't believe that division needs to be factored into the tag specifics.

Summary of request: Jump to Last Choice's main name should be changed to "Jump to Prior Choices" and its alias "Jump to Previous Choice" should be pluralized to "Jump to Previous Choices" and have "Jump to Earlier Choices" added as yet another alias. Append this note to Jump to Last Choice's description: If this same button only stores a maximum of one choice selection in its history at a time, not allowing for successive clicks to jump back further than the most recently passed choice selection, apply a tag vote strength of "1".Last modified on 2019-10-17 at 02:27

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