|#351 by sanahtlig|
2013-05-13 at 03:30
|Response to my e-mail:|
Thank you for your concern about our game. I would also like to thank you for the information and opinion of venturing into the localized VN game market.Last modified on 2013-05-13 at 03:34
We are indeed aiming for a broader market, and appealing the game to casual players. The reason for doing this is so that we can venture into a new market. We are also planning to market the product, but as the release date is towards the end of June, we are only starting the promotions this week.
We will have a Facebook, Twitter, and a Pinterest account up soon.
I understand that censoring and removing the original content brings dismay to the existing fans, and we apologize for that, but I hope that the existing players can still enjoy the game.
Thank you for supporting our game, and I hope you will continue to do so in the future.
Moenovel support staff
|#352 by engix|
2013-05-13 at 03:36
|Its obvious they have no intentions of making an 18+ patch, i don't see what mass spamming them with emails will do.|
|#353 by luckypaper|
2013-05-13 at 03:37
|I'll repost mine since mine was wayyy at the bottom of last page :P|
But taking kissing scenes out is outrageous
Thank you for your mail. I understand that the censoring and removing of original content brings disappointment to the fans of the Japanese version.
However, we are aiming for a broader market audience and would like to venture into a new market. Thus, with a different target audience in mind this time, we have produced a game that teens and above can play.
Although the kissing scenes do not show lips touching each other, the animation does make it abvious to the player that it is a kissing scene (i.e. the main character's head will be covering a female character's head. It will be like a back view scene of a couple kissing.)
I understand your disappointment, but i do hope that you will still continue to support our games, be it the English or the Japanese version.
Moenovel support staffLast modified on 2013-05-13 at 03:37
|#354 by sanahtlig|
2013-05-13 at 03:48
|I didn't even know what Pinterest was until I looked it up. It appears to be a social media site optimized for mobile devices (tablets, smart phones). That could be an indication that they plan to target the mobile market in the future.Last modified on 2013-05-13 at 03:59|
|#355 by herki|
2013-05-13 at 04:41
1500-2000 is probably what the 18+ version of Kira Kira has sold to date, so the all-ages version has only sold a couple hundred copies at most. Not a rousing success, IMHO.
You would be correct. And that's not even close to enough to regain the costs of translating the game.
I didn't even know what Pinterest was until I looked it up. It appears to be a social media site optimized for mobile devices (tablets, smart phones). That could be an indication that they plan to target the mobile market in the future.
lol, no. It's a website for womens' hobbies, etc. and is mostly used by women.Last modified on 2013-05-13 at 04:43
|#356 by loctar87|
2013-05-13 at 06:08
|You know, it makes me curious how people would react if they managed to succeed spectacularly with this strategy, despite the very long odds against it. What if they really did sell 100,000 copies after censoring it like this? Obviously that would encourage more VN translations, maybe even a huge number of new translations, all of which would also likely be heavily censored. I'm not sure how I would feel about that.|
|#357 by usasoldiern|
2013-05-13 at 06:26
|Man, I kind of understand what they are doing and why. But, at the same time I just do not like censoring in anyway.|
|#358 by neodragon|
2013-05-13 at 07:00
|The link to the game at play-asia.com doesn't work anymore... is it just my browser settings or what happened ?|
EDIT: The link to the digital version is fine. Odd. Hmmm, maybe an error on their site.Last modified on 2013-05-13 at 07:07
|#359 by shiroux|
2013-05-13 at 08:39
|It's so stupid that it does not even making any sense that do do this. "reach wider audience"? who the hell is that...are they gonna shove the product onto teen passerby who doesn't even know what VN is and take their money? Ridiculous. Their main audiences is the fans and yet they ignored them...to reach a wider audiences......|
|#360 by gabezhul|
2013-05-13 at 08:42
|You talk like if it was a unique phenomenon. It's practically what EA and other big name publishers have been doing for years by shoehorning multiplayer, co-op and shooter-elements into any game they could get their hands on for the sake of the "wider audience appeal". That's what companies who actually want to make a profit -do-.|
Also, if things keep going like this, I really might just take Herki's advice and lock this thread and open another for status updates instead. It would help with the redundancy.
|#361 by verifonix|
2013-05-13 at 08:44
|@shiroux yeah, die-hard fans might feel "betrayed" with removal of content (we'll see about the final TL quality), but for all we know they'll manage decent profits with the all-age audience.|
As much as I welcome more English translations, I do hope this won't be the direction new commercial translations will move towards.
|#362 by madeking|
2013-05-13 at 10:22
If they can get enough sales with this strategy to get more VN's translated this quickly then i fully support it, if not then i dont. (my opinion)
Things like translation quality and how well they've removed the ero and kept the story etc. also factor in with this release, but such things can be improved with future releases if it proves profitable, and maybe even patch this one.
Again, so much speculation thats been done over and over in this thread already.
Nothing new here.
...And will people stop quoting statements about kissing scenes not being removed and following by saying kissing scenes are removed...Last modified on 2013-05-13 at 10:23
|#363 by ultimecea|
2013-05-13 at 12:35
|whoa...already comment #363??|
i believe..we can actually stop loitering at this thread since there's no hope that we gonna get the full version of the game translated after all
so..instead of us wasting our time bashing that idiotic company and its claims..
lets just sit and watch the drama of how another company going bankrupt(hopefully)
and ignore those that claim they will buy/pirate that censored version
they'll know that they been robbed on broad daylight of an awesome story when they starts to ready the crappy version~~
|#364 by verifonix|
2013-05-13 at 12:40
|#363 you propose to stop loitering around, but leave behind another comment with name-calling and speculation. We've been there before.Last modified on 2013-05-13 at 12:42|
|#365 by ultimecea|
2013-05-13 at 14:10
|old habit die hard my friend..|
old habit die hard~
|#366 by lavanio|
2013-05-13 at 15:34
|The play-asia page for the digital version says STEAM now. It looks like that marketing is about to come out|
|#367 by madeking|
2013-05-13 at 16:17
|i'm hoping this isnt forced for all digital releases? i know someone who cant buy a hardcopy and wont want this popping up on steam.|
|#368 by yirba|
2013-05-13 at 16:25
|@367: It's probably only Play-Asia giving Steam keys. MangaGamer didn't even seem to know about the Steam release, so buying from them should just give you the direct download.|
|#369 by encrypted12345|
2013-05-13 at 23:32
|@366 That's one way to market it, I suppose. I'm curious as to how this whole affair will turn out.Last modified on 2013-05-13 at 23:32|
|#370 by bta|
2013-05-14 at 03:23
It's so stupid that it does not even making any sense that do do this. "reach wider audience"? who the hell is that...are they gonna shove the product onto teen passerby who doesn't even know what VN is and take their money? Ridiculous. Their main audiences is the fans and yet they ignored them...to reach a wider audiences......
Yes, the main audience is totally the "fans" of their visual novels, who barely buy any copies when the mainstream market on Steam will easily outsell them if a visual novel was on it...
I mean, would it really be so horrible for people other than the "fans" to enjoy these games? And the only thing preventing a large amount of people from trying this is some (likely badly written) porn.
They remove the porn, the game gets on Steam (well, they're currently claiming it'll be on it), it hopefully gets people interested in VNs and releasing all age VNs becomes much more profitable, which leads to a lot more English releases... I'm not really seeing the issue here.
|#371 by cucumberian|
2013-05-14 at 04:09
|Pipe dream. No one's going to buy it either way because it doesn't have the recognition of a popular anime adaptation or major brand name (i.e. Type-Moon, 07th Expansion) to piggyback on. This is why Steins;Gate is the only upcoming localization that has a serious shot at success.|
I mean, would it really be so horrible for people other than the "fans" to enjoy these games?Yes, if it means heavily censoring and watering down said games. I'm certainly not the only person who will cease to have any interest at all in VN localizations if this becomes the norm. Rather than simply cowering in terror of the game industry moral police, a better strategy would be to work to convince people that "porn with a plot" is a real thing. Guess that's too much for emasculated conservative Japanese devs. The VN scene needs its own Kamiya or Itagaki, people who do their own thing and won't take no shit from the media.
Or at least just do what Nitro+ did for the Japanese all-ages release of Kikokugai, where all the content and CGs of the H-scenes were left in the game, just with the naughty bits covered up and the descriptions slightly truncated. That approach can't get you more than an M rating.Last modified on 2013-05-14 at 04:13
|#372 by loctar87|
2013-05-14 at 04:32
|@371 I don't really agree with you're premise. If "porn with plot" was going to catch on easily in the west, it would already have done so. Being a badass who does what he wants doesn't matter if no one will sell the game except "porn" sites. The odds of this game seriously taking off if it's only on Mangagamer or some similar site is zero. The odds of it taking off if it is sold everywhere...well, it's still extremely low, but it's not zero. If you want VNs to go mainstream, this is what it looks like. Though whether that's a good thing or not is up for debate. In the fantasy world where this effort is a huge success, people would want more VNs, and maybe they could back into having uncensored releases eventually, in a decade or so. Sudden change is just not going to happen.|
Even as is, I'm surprised Steam would take this game. I seem to recall hearing they tend not to accept games without gameplay, and they certainly avoid porn like the plague.
|#373 by cucumberian|
2013-05-14 at 04:44
If you want VNs to go mainstream, this is what it looks like.What if I don't? It's not like regular video games didn't go to shit once they went mainstream.
Someone should localize the 18+ version of Queen of Darkness, an ero otome game with a female-dominant rape scene. I'm pretty sure the e-feminist bullies would shut their traps about that.Last modified on 2013-05-14 at 04:52
|#374 by stromiv|
2013-05-14 at 04:48
|Still trying to figure out how well a Steam game will do when it comes to everyone in your friends list knowing you are playing it. It might actually break the mold if the mainstream players can convince their friends that just because a VN is released, doesn't mean that it is porn. Or people will think VN=porn and not buy it because every one of their friends will think they play cartoon porn.|
|#375 by loctar87|
2013-05-14 at 04:52
|@373 Then you're in luck. That's very unlikely to happen, for better or worse. They will probably fail, and we won't have any more censored releases. We won't have any releases at all, except the porn garbage that's cheap to licence and easy to sell, and the occasional varying quality release from a fan-translator.Last modified on 2013-05-14 at 04:53|
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