Higurashi is Brilliant

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#1 by caplain
2013-05-26 at 06:36
I just finished it with a 5 hour marathon to finish off the second half of Matsuribayashi. I haven't read a lot of visual novels, but this is easily the best story I've ever read.

How is Umineko in comparison? I heard Frederica Bernkastel is in it, so that sounds pretty cool.
#2 by verifonix
2013-05-26 at 06:41
Umineko is different but very good. As long as you don't drop it somewhere mid-way, should be a great VN experience.
There's a team working on porting the PS3 graphics, Ep. 1-4 are done, 5-8 should be released soon if all goes well..Last modified on 2013-05-26 at 06:42
#3 by gabezhul
2013-05-26 at 06:48
Umineko is a completely different kind of animal. It has some of the same aspects as Higurashi, like the unreliable narrator, the "time loop" and the general writing style of Ryukishi, but otherwise the two has little in common.

Higurashi is more about the relationships between the characters and one overarching mystery in the time-loop, while Umineko is more of a detective story with a very strong emphasis on characterization and solving seemingly impossible murder mysteries, with many over-the-top "magic and/or colored text battles" interspersed (makes sense in context...).

Also, Umineko has a very strong meta-element to it, where the main character and co. are also present in a meta-world where he engages the "Golden Witch Beatrice" in battles of wit in order to prove that the murders are not done by magic but by a human culprit who tries to make it look like they were done by magic, which practically leads to having two completely different casts (the family and the servants on the island <-> the protagonist and the "magical beings" in the meta-realm) with different relationships, only linked by the protagonist, and both sides of the story have their own twists and turns and relationships and mysteries and whatnot, and then I haven't even mentioned the future timeline with its characters and plots...

Sorry if I am not clear, but it is REALLY hard to sum up a more than 100 hours long VN with radically different episodes and over 50 characters... -.-

In short: It's a great story, but there are only two ways you can read it: you will either try to solve the mysteries yourself, in which case you will probably get frustrated after a while, since you will only get enough information to even guess the true culprit about four episodes in; or you can just try to go with the flow and enjoy the ride, in which case you would probably have more fun with it but lose most of the subtext of the story. In even shorter: It's a great story, but hard to digest.
#4 by [deleted]
2013-05-26 at 12:35
@1 The overall arc between episodes in Higurashi and Umineko is rather similar, with the first episode focusing on an aura of menace, the next 2 episodes focusing on horror, then it enters a mystery to tragedy loop for a few episodes before finishing the last episode with a feel good farce which slightly damages the atmosphere of the earlier episodes.

Some of the themes touched on in Higurashi also play much larger roles in Umineko UMINEKO SPOILER:such as the sexual identity of Mion/Shion (tomboy/feminine).

Generally though Umineko is far more sombre and elaborate than Higurashi (as Gabe points out), I hope you enjoy it.

Just in case you hadn't noticed, there are more Higurashi episodes after Kai, see "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Rei". Rei only has 3 fairly brief episodes with 2 only being translated in the anime (and just involve club activities) but the third is excellent.
#5 by verifonix
2013-05-27 at 06:16
By the way guys, UminekoTweak PS3 should be released this week.
Is it allowed to make a "release" for this in the db as "unofficial ps3 patch" or something like that?
#6 by onemore
2013-05-27 at 06:43
@5 Do you mean Chiru PS3 patch?
#7 by gabezhul
2013-05-27 at 06:48
I wouldn't hold my breath for the Chiru PS3 patch, as it has been said that it will be "released in a week or two" since March... I would recommend treating it as an "it will be done when it's done" project.

As for adding it to the DB, no, since it is neither an official release, nor a translation patch. We didn't make specific releases for the Higurashi PS3 patches either, did we? :P
#8 by kilicool64
2013-05-27 at 07:41
You mean the Higurashi PS2 patches, right?
#9 by gabezhul
2013-05-27 at 08:20
Yep, just a typo.
#10 by yirba
2013-05-27 at 11:00
There are certain similarities between Higurashi and Umineko, but I think it's a very different experience. If you enjoyed Higurashi, it's definitely worth giving Umineko a try, though.

Also, it 'kinda' has Frederica Bernkastel, or rather there's a character simply called Bernkastel, but there's no indication that they're actually the same character. There are definitely several nods to Higurashi which should be pleasing to fans of that story.
#11 by gabezhul
2013-05-27 at 14:38
They have a connection, namely that Bernkastel is supposed to be the amalgamation off all the Rikas who couldn't escape the time loop, so she is a disillusioned and cruel witch who doesn't act like her Higurashi counterpart at all. I would say, at the beginning Ryukishi probably wanted to have her in a more positive role (as professed by the first few tea-parties and all the help she gives to Battler in the background), but in the later episodes the theme of the story slowly changed, and so... well, spoilers happen. :P
#12 by onemore
2013-05-27 at 15:55
all the help she give to Battler
What help? Delicious hamburgers?
#13 by saxman-faust
2013-05-28 at 17:16
Delicious hamburgers = Ange's finely tenderized corpse?
#14 by transcendence
2013-06-03 at 21:51
I just finished Higurashi up until Tatarigoroshi. Did you guys seriously try to solve the mysteries? Though which stuff to solve is actually confusing as it is, since the first three episodes are quite different from each other. After finishing the third episode, trying to 'solve' the mystery seems like a daunting idea to me, since I don't know which stuff is actually mystery and whatnot (and I actually played all three quite fast if I say so myself). It's seems to be a huge and ambitious tale.

So for tl;dr: did you guys try to solve the mysteries?Last modified on 2013-06-03 at 21:57
#15 by cucumberian
2013-06-03 at 23:39
I started Higurashi but dropped it after a few hours as I felt I didn't really need to read it after watching the entire anime series, OVAs included. Yes, I know I'm probably missing out on a lot of stuff. But the Higurashi anime is actually decent, unlike Umineko's, and I'm not really short on a VN backlog right now.
#16 by loctar87
2013-06-04 at 00:12
@14 I had a good deal of fun trying to "solve" Umineko, but not so much with Higurashi. You might be able to make some reasonable guesses, but I don't think it's really structured to be solvable. It doesn't obey Knox, so if you want to attempt reasoning try to be flexible.Last modified on 2013-06-04 at 00:13
#17 by alden
2013-06-04 at 01:50
In Higurashi the question to solve is: "Is this novel a mystery or fantasy?" While Umineko is structured more like a classic mystery novel, with a lot of tweaks.
#18 by transcendence
2013-06-04 at 17:00
@17: Can't it be both? I mean, it's definitely a mystery thriller, with elements of fantasy (I'm pretty much convinced now that it has some fantasy to it. I was spoiled, which is sad). So I'm not sure about what you mean.

Ah, I think you are supposed to solve each episode, where you try to construct a 'theory' that is consistent for all the other episodes.

I don't think it's really structured to be solvable
I'm not sure but I'm guessing we are not really given enough material to work on for a reasonable and consistent theory? At least that's what I thought after Tatarigoroshi.Last modified on 2013-06-04 at 17:11
#19 by [deleted]
2013-06-04 at 17:49
I'm not sure but I'm guessing we are not really given enough material to work on for a reasonable and consistent theory? At least that's what I thought after Tatarigoroshi.
That's it exactly, there are far too many viable explanations to realistically have a chance of stmbling across the correct one; however you can have a lot of fun thinking about it and trying to at least rule out some suspects.

If you're enjoying the mystery element then you will utterly love Umineko where there is a much greater focus on solving the mystery before the end and it provides the necessary clues to do so (not that you have much chance of solving it without help). By episode 4 or so it practically beats the reader over the head while screaming "baka" over the fact that you probably haven't worked it out yet.
#20 by transcendence
2013-06-04 at 21:22
@19: Well, you'd expect the number of viable explanations would skyrocket if you take into account supernatural reasons. We don't even have a clear idea of what's the extent of the possible supernatural reasons are.

I've said all that, but I decided to just chill out and play Meakashi right away. It's a shame but I don't really have the time to be enjoying it that much.Last modified on 2013-06-04 at 23:03
#21 by transcendence
2013-06-10 at 15:54
Sorry for double posting, but I think this is the best thread where I can post this question.

Can I play the 'putting the pieces together' part of Matsuribayashi as I want it to? I mean, I think I can solve it by myself (I don't think you can get stuck with it or something). What I want to know is, is there a proper and better way to play it, or a proper order in viewing the pieces?Last modified on 2013-06-10 at 15:55
#22 by lolzkidudz
2013-06-10 at 16:29
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#23 by [deleted]
2013-06-10 at 18:42
@21 You can relax and pick the shards as you like, it won't let you pick a shard if you haven't seen the shards which lead to it (it just says "not ready yet" or something similar).

As @22 points out in the wiki, if you go through all of the shards in a particular order then there's a brief after credits alternative ending. I'd suggest ignoring the walkthrough on your first playthrough as I find it breaks your immersion.
#24 by bolotoy06
2013-06-15 at 10:20
currently reading higurashi and i have to say its brilliant!...its different from Umineko but i say its still freaking interesting even though i already watch the 1st season of the anime...":DLast modified on 2013-06-15 at 10:23
#25 by bolotoy06
2013-06-21 at 09:15
just wow...it really is good!..the mystery of this game is very confusing as fuck....and the heart warming part fell so good!..special in chapter 3..damn!..just finish the first 4 chapter and its really good!..!..time to read kai!...!..im really great full the i watch the anime long time ago..haha

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