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#151 by tahu157
2019-09-13 at 15:26
Gud lawd there is a staggering amount of good titles in that WillPlus deal.
#152 by ᔕᕼᖇOOᗰᒪOᖇᗪ
2019-09-13 at 15:51
Yeah, that's actually pretty damn tempting. Probably gonna have to put my dislike of dmm aside for this.
#153 by echozulu
2019-10-11 at 19:56
WillPlus' 10 for 10k deal is now on DLSiteJP, perfect for those with a
dislike of dmm.
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#154 by tahu157
2019-10-11 at 20:27
The selection isn’t quite as good this time unfortunately.
#155 by echozulu
2019-10-11 at 21:44
Heh, another sale.

Anim 10 for 10k on DMM.
#156 by fuukanou
2019-10-11 at 21:49
#155, less ideal than the WillPlus sale but hey if you're gonna buy an anim game this is the time to do it at 1k a pop. idk if there actually are 10 anim games I'd want to play though.
#157 by echozulu
2019-10-11 at 22:00
#156 True

Honestly though, art+BM+SoC are amazing. But they offer more older than newer Anim titles :/ Still 10 (BM+/SoC) Nukige of that quality and within the 10-30h length range for 83€ is an amazing bargain. I don't have any WillPlus or Anim titles so this is perfect. I just hope most of them can be freed from SoftDenchi/I hope that DenchiUnwrap works on them. So, spend 83€ on some 'story-heavy' moege (compared to Nukige) and Sei Shoujo titles or spend them on, imo, high quality nukige...decisions, decisions.Last modified on 2019-10-11 at 22:19
#158 by ᔕᕼᖇOOᗰᒪOᖇᗪ
2019-10-11 at 23:16
Mm, already went for the Willplus one on DMM. I picked out 10 games from the Anim sale but I'm not sure I'm gonna pull the trigger. I probably wouldn't have hesitated if they had a few more newer titles in there. The sale is a far cry from the full Empress library+.
#159 by fuukanou
2019-10-12 at 00:11
#157, are there any problems with SoftDenchi? like apart from the "can't use it in the future if DMM shuts down" bit. Seems to be pretty unobtrusive to me, log in once into SD and then you don't have to later on from the second time and second game onwards. DMM Game Player needs to be killed though, let me know if you've found a way around that. I cba to open, update and restart the damn thing each time I want to play a game on it.Last modified on 2019-10-12 at 00:12
#160 by echozulu
2019-10-12 at 00:20
^
are there any problems with SoftDenchi? like apart from the "can't use it in the future if DMM shuts down" bit.

I just want to use my VNs on any PC or possible future reinstallation of Windows that I own and I'm too spoiled? not to want any piece of extra software standing between me and my legally obtained games/VNs, no matter how unobtrusive it is :D (also why I don't use or buy on Steam anymore if at all possible)

DMM Game Player needs to be killed though, let me know if you've found a way around that.

No, I don't know any solution to that but when I get one of the TanukiSoft titles I can ask some people who are already cracking PlayDRM for me and others. Would do all of it myself if I just knew how ;-;Last modified on 2019-10-12 at 00:26
#161 by fuukanou
2019-10-12 at 01:08
#160, at any rate, when the industry moves onto streaming games only, then piracy won't be a problem so DRM won't matter lol

i just want to see the day that nobody can get for free something i've paid good money for. i don't particularly care how many people i fuck over in my quest, even if in the end it fucks me over too.Last modified on 2019-10-12 at 01:09
#162 by darkraiders
2019-10-12 at 02:36
#162 Piracy is already a huge problem for streaming service, so games being streaming only won't stop piracy.
#163 by fuukanou
2019-10-12 at 03:02
#162, piracy for a game streaming service? I can't see how that'd work apart from internal leakers.
#164 by darkraiders
2019-10-12 at 03:52
Like i said piracy is already a problem for streaming service and that include music, tv show/movie, games etc. It was calm for a while, but once they all decided to make their own streaming website or launcher and make it harder for peoples to watch/play their stuffs in the same place, piracy started rising again and streaming didn't stop anything.Last modified on 2019-10-12 at 03:52
#165 by tahu157
2019-10-12 at 04:37
@#160 is there a limit to how many machines you can install a DMM game on? I actually just tried doing a second install of a DMM game earlier today and it threw an error. Something about a key I think but I couldn’t quite read it.
#166 by kiru
2019-10-12 at 07:43
@160: I know this is getting old, but Steam is just a store. Publishers themselves decide if the game has DRM or not. There are a lot of games on Steam without DRM, especially VNs.
Also, most of those which do have DRM (steamworks) have easy ways to deal with it if you really need to, but that's up to you. Games that don't have steamworks included should usually be safe. I don't really care too much, unless it's third party DRM like denuvo though. That crap doesn't need to be.

I'm not for DRM. In fact, I hate most of it. But Steam is one of the least restrictive ones you can find (you could argue, given what's around in the net, it doesn't matter at all), and offers a bunch of services that come with it. (Steamworks isn't just DRM) If you look at the official guide about steamworks by Valve it even literally states that this is NOT a solution against pirates(!!!), but more something to make sure personalized Steam features work (trading cards, achievements and so on). Of course, not everyone cares about these things, but still.

Steam is not the same as shit like DMM player and whatnot. Luckily. That said, it's just a store. So publishers can attach much more nasty things, if they want. That has to be mentioned on the store page though, as far as I'm aware.

edit: Little known fact: Steamworks can also be used without DRM, but few know that... including devs. There's an entire page dedicated to DRM free games on Steam though: linkLast modified on 2019-10-12 at 07:50
#167 by lala7
2019-10-12 at 09:19
I think people should use other sources than steam to buy VNs. There are several snowflakes in steam who are easily triggered and can remove VNs from the store, be it loli characters or rapes. It already happened several times in steam and will happen again in the future.
#168 by echozulu
2019-10-12 at 09:40
I think everyone should say their last piece about DRM so as to not derail the conversation and purpose of this thread, my piece:

#165 Afaik it depends on the DRM used (DMM has FIVE different ways of doing DRM). It's mostly like the old MG DRM where you can install a VN five times before asking for another key/code.

#166 Yes, Steam is just a distribution platform but if you look at the provided link the only DRM-Free VNs you'll find are from WingedCloud (and maybe one or two indie titles) and none of the major publishers are present. There is SteamEmu but the setup is annoying and tedious - funny coming from a guy with an account at each of the major VN shops, including the ones owned directly by the publishers.

#167 While I am also against censorship and Steam's arbitrary application of the rules, they do have to folllow a ton of different national and international laws. Distribution of loli/shota-con content is considered distribution of child pornography in a supposedly Western country like Germany for example, the simple act of owning it isn't, though. Keep that in mind because I bet that they would do anything if it meant more money and is within the laws of all applicable jurisdictions.
#169 by fuukanou
2019-10-12 at 15:13
#164, that's not an explanation. You only get a video feed for a game streaming service, which is personalised to the inputs you are sending. Not to mention some personally identifying information is (should be) hidden somewhere on the screen so if you even did try to upload videos of it, it can be traced back to you. No file ever touches your computer. How are you meant to pirate a game on a streaming service?
#170 by shining17
2019-10-12 at 15:31
Cloud-gaming is still unreliable. Just look at WOW classic and its queue time. Besides, I dislike the idea of buying only the license to play a game. It's local download or nothing from me.
#171 by fuukanou
2019-10-12 at 15:32
#170, that's the beauty of it.

your only choices are stream it or nothing. there's no piracy option.

I feel like it's worth a try for developers, if only one or two games first. I just don't get the feeling Japanese players (i.e. the only demographic that matters) will be too bothered, seeing as there is already good draw (iirc) towards digital rather than physical copies.Last modified on 2019-10-12 at 15:39
#172 by shining17
2019-10-12 at 15:38
I hope to see all of them flop then. Not to mention, the gaming industry is already in poor condition because of greed.
#173 by fuukanou
2019-10-12 at 15:40
#172, the greed of the gaming industry is more about adding boatloads of DLC and micro-transactions and shipping incomplete games. Wanting to stop piracy is not greed.
#174 by lala7
2019-10-13 at 06:33
#168
Steam has region locks, Japanese devs can region lock the games for Japan only and Steam doesn't need to ban them.
#175 by ramaladni
2019-10-13 at 07:26
link Few VNs here

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