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#1 by bunny1ov3r
2015-07-21 at 06:11
< report >Four threads and no GD yet, thought I'd start one.

First of all, I'd like to say that it is really fun to read over this vn. The jokes and some dramatic development cracked me up. While it is quite a bit off from a masterpiece, Maruto's expertise in script writing does show in this game.

The plot is cliched and innovative at the same time. Why? I've seen similar plot about a lot of girls chasing after a men who is just an ordinary worker (even for especially similar situations) a million times in different media (especially Chinese internet novel). Yet, it is pretty innovative in visual novel. You don't see many vn with a divorced 30yo protagonist and a central heroine who is only in third year of middle school..

The way that the routes are arranged is also both smart and problematic at the same time. The routes runs in series instead of parallel to each other, so a lot of repetition of common route is avoided as long as you can save in a smart fashion. However, it is clear that chapters are bundled in sequence to focus on specific heroines; each girl get her turn kind of thing. It makes the plot looks more like that of a harem.

Of course, the story is still very enjoyable to read because of Maruto's skill in writing drama script. The sound aspect also enhances the quality of the narration. Soundtracks are a little bit repetitive, but effective and appropriately used.

Personal Character preference
Sawashima Himeo > Kouno Asami > Hinosaka Mitoko >Amagi Kaya

Personal Route Preference
Kouno Asami > Sawashima Himeo > Hinosaka Mitoko >Amagi Kaya
#2 by babymetal
2015-07-21 at 08:33
< report >How is the leading macho? I would love to give it a try at some point but the dude repels the shit out of me. Not this a-complete-duffer-gets-laid-by-some-miracle shit again.
#3 by bunny1ov3r
2015-07-21 at 17:59
< report >It depends on your preference, but indeed a lot of people didn't like him. He is like a Haruki Kitahara who is just as undecisive in relationship, but much weaker in dealing with relationship.
#4 by tyr
2015-07-21 at 18:52
< report >I wrote a comment about this game a long time ago in t4779.18.
For the sake of discussion I will quote it again:
Ironically, I played this yesterday and was extremely disappointed.

The writing is awful and irritating. Some examples:

- changing perspectives: i hate it, if the writer uses a first person narrator and then decides to shift the perspective to a third person view for storytelling reasons. Well, if he can't tell his story with a first person narrator, maybe he shouldn't use one! -.- Every time I try to immerse myself with the protagonist, the game changes its perspective and I lose this immersion.
I don't want to go into writing theory but this is one of the worst things a writer could do and sadly most visual novels suffer from those amateurs, who don't know how to tell a story. This game is one of the worst examples I experienced yet with like half of the game in first person and the other half in third person narration. without artistic reasons. just cheap storytelling. ugh...

- episodic storytelling: well, the shifting in narration may have something to do with this stupid episodic storytelling. this vn tries so hard to be an anime that it greatly fails as a visual novel. this happens if you don't use your medium right.
As a result, the pacing is atrocious and a dramatic structure is nonexistent.

- harem protagonist: the game tries hard to make me believe, that the protagonist is some unlucky guy who fails at life... but as soon as the novel starts he instantly gets his harem of women who love him. Not so unlucky if you ask me. It's really a shame, because this kind of protagonist and his journey to find significance and true love could have been really interesting, if it wasn't dumped for generic harem slice of life.

- abrupt termination of scenes: every time something potential interesting happens, the game ends the scene (like a cliffhanger) and doesn't come back. As if the writer didn't know how to write it and used a cheap way out. Should this be funny? Because, it is not. It's a ridiculous cheap cop out.

I was really hoping for a good vn, because the premise sounded very interesting. But sadly this game doesn't care about its protagonist and the underlying themes of depression, loneliness and the young muse, who represents hope and life, and instead presents a generic harem slice of live romantic comedy. Meh.

Well, the seiyuu of the protagonist was very good, indeed.

In the end, Damekoi helps me realize once again that I don't understand the vn community at all. I read many Damekoi comments and reviews and I just can't understand how anyone can get feels out of this game.
It's supposed to be a story where a good hearted hetare is loved by nice women who heal his lonely soul .. but it's just not this kind of game.
This is a game where the protagonist is loved by women who are WRITTEN to love him. There is no chemistry, nothing feels believable or relatable. It's just wish fulfillment of the worst kind: artificially constructed situations written in the most amateurish way. It's supposed to convey a good feeling to the reader, but this feeling feels so artificially created and insincere, it doesn't make me feel good and instead it makes me feel like a real looser for playing such obvious escapism.

tl;dr: Good idea, horrible execution.Last modified on 2015-07-21 at 18:54
#5 by babymetal
2015-07-21 at 19:57
< report >Does it mean that you won't give a shot to WA2?
#6 by tyr
2015-07-21 at 20:23
< report >Exactly.
#7 by bunny1ov3r
2015-07-21 at 20:50
< report >^I agree with all your points in #4

The way that the routes are arranged is also both smart and problematic at the same time. The routes runs in series instead of parallel to each other, so a lot of repetition of common route is avoided as long as you can save in a smart fashion. However, it is clear that chapters are bundled in sequence to focus on specific heroines; each girl get her turn kind of thing. It makes the plot looks more like that of a harem.
Episodic story is the word I am trying to look for in this paragraph

- abrupt termination of scenes: every time something potential interesting happens, the game ends the scene (like a cliffhanger) and doesn't come back. As if the writer didn't know how to write it and used a cheap way out. Should this be funny? Because, it is not. It's a ridiculous cheap cop out.
Now that you mention it, this actually is a problem too

Shame that you won't try WA2 thoughLast modified on 2015-07-21 at 21:01
#8 by Ileca
2015-07-21 at 21:28
< report >WA2? WA2? White Album 2?
#9 by bunny1ov3r
2015-07-21 at 21:37
< report >^what else?
#10 by Ileca
2015-07-21 at 21:42
< report >Sorry, White Album is not one of my reference. I thought it could be WAna II ~Gang Rape~.
#11 by bunny1ov3r
2015-07-21 at 23:00
< report >Wana as in that anime?
#12 by tyr
2015-07-21 at 23:35
< report >To be honest, the reason I wont try White Album 2 is simply that I don't like love triangles, especially if they try to be "realistic". If I wanted to experience pointless drama, fickle characters and rage-inducing plot development, I would just get a life.
It's the same reason I wont play KimiNozo either.
#13 by bunny1ov3r
2015-07-22 at 04:02
< report >^really can't argue against that
#14 by babymetal
2015-07-22 at 05:26
< report >>realistic
The characters surly are. And the more I think about it, the more it seems that you really need to have a troubled relationship behind. Otherwise it won't sink in you so deeply.
#15 by tyr
2015-07-22 at 05:33
< report >._.
#16 by vnerogereview
2016-08-12 at 01:46
< report >Normally, I wouldn't even bother replying to a thread, let alone reply to a person's specific comment well over 1 year old, but I really couldn't help myself because this person went full retard. tl;dr at the bottom

changing perspectives:

Are you serious? We're reading a damn NOVEL here, not some charage or a protagonist-only kind of story. You literally suggesting that just because the Harry Potter series isn't all in the viewpoint of Harry that you hate the entire book. Multiple perspectives is absolutely crucial for a good story so it doesn't get all monotone and boring looking at scenarios in just one perspective.

episodic storytelling

At this point, you're just being ridiculous. Episodic story-telling is absolutely crucial in the beginning to set the parameters of each scenario, including location, character background, character relationships, and much more. You are NOT going to get all this done within a single "scene" especially if you have four heroines, a protagonist, and several subcharacters to present.

harem protagonist

You are either incredibly blind or simply in denial at this point since his "harem" is absolutely not "instant". All four heroines generally start out being cautious or even hating the protagonist and it's the protagonist who changes that emotion into affection through various actions. It's completely unlike full-blown charage where the protagonist has all flags raised from the get-go and heroines are characterized with blushed faces and stuttering around him. At this point, I'm starting to doubt that you've even played the game.

abrupt termination of scenes

You should name some examples. This way you can prove that you at least scanned the game. We have spoiler tags and I've played this game twice. Don't worry about spoiling the community or me.

As far as I'm concerned with my two full playthroughs, everything is explained even if it's implicit. You either failed to catch these subtle conclusions, or missed it completely while you were furiously holding down the Ctrl Key

Additional Comments:

Looking at your profile and seeing you rate rape-games or darker titles with scores of over 7, I HIGHLY doubt that your perspectives are the general beliefs. No wonder you don't understand the VN Community; because you obviously have different preferences or mindsets from the rest of us.

I personally enjoy darker titles myself, but that kind of preference won't bias me against genuine and excellent story as this one.

Again, I write this long-ass reply because the user went full retard with his short look-back of this game, and it's obvious that he has his own preferences and opinions which blinded his judgment about this title. I ask all readers to NOT trust his words because he obviously finds rape or darker games much more valuable, and that's not in correspondence with the general mindset of the VN Community

tl;dr the user I'm replying to is heavily biased and is unreliable for critiquing this game

Bonus: Oh, so "realistic love triangles" is the only reason you're not playing WA2? That's fine; you're the one missing a great story. In return, you can't critique it. It's one thing to have your own preferences, but another to say that the game is probably bad because of your own bias.Last modified on 2016-08-12 at 02:08
#17 by Ileca
2016-08-12 at 02:18
< report >Bunny1ov3r is a ~80% pure moefag sugar and he agreed with #4 so your pathetic attempt of bringing discredit by using unrelated arguments like "this guy love rapefest he is unreliable" is just plain stupid. "General beliefs", "general mindset of the VN Community" (with capital please), what dza fuck is zat?

I didn't read it but I can tell you that changing perspective can be a really bad idea because it breaks immersion and identification. There is no problem blaming a detachment if it has no positive effect. It certainly isn't _absolutely crucial_ for a good story to change perspective because such rule doesn't exist!

If you want to talk about narration, ok, fine, but no need to shit all over the place.Last modified on 2016-08-12 at 02:24
#18 by bunny1ov3r
2016-08-12 at 03:44
< report >LOL #16.

I remember in one of my high school classes called theory of knowledge (basically philosophy), I learned about one type of logical fallacy (I forgot the name), that it is a fallacy to discredit a person's opinions by discrediting their personal qualities......

I am the type of person who, in the reviews, try to find things to criticize in titles I like and find stuff to praise in titles I do not like. If you can't tell from my review, I have an overall favorable opinion on damekoi (7/10). And actually I am a big Maruto fan who rates White Album 2 10/10. You might have messed up someone else's post about WA2 with mine. In his defense, though, he only said it was exactly because it is too realistic that he doesn't want to read it (doesn't fit his escapism criteria). He made no mention about the quality of the game.

I don't mind criticisms on my opinions, but please refrain from personal attacks in the future. I am not a mod but I think it's not a far stretch to say that mods would be willing to take administrative action against repeated personal insults.

Again, I write this long-ass reply because the user went full retard with his short look-back of this game

but I really couldn't help myself because this person went full retard


edit: ad hominem fallacyLast modified on 2016-08-12 at 03:54
#19 by anonymous
2016-08-12 at 03:53
< report >:popcorn:
#20 by pendelhaven
2016-08-12 at 06:36
< report >
If I wanted to experience pointless drama, fickle characters and rage-inducing plot development, I would just get a life.

best words ever. Reminds me of t1010

judging from the title (the world's greatest no-good love), I expected a no good love writing. the writing complaints are just normal \__(ツ)__/Last modified on 2016-08-12 at 06:41
#21 by vnerogereview
2017-08-27 at 03:44
< report >Replying a year after all this, purely because I'm playing this game again for the 3rd time.

First off to #18, None of my reply was pointed towards you. It was towards #4. Thousand apologies as I never actually even bothered to read your own posts until now as they were justified and fair enough considering personal preferences the first time I skimmed through them. On the other hand, the latter reader's reply suggested that he didn't even read the novel based on his replies.

Though on the other hand I ask that you give me 5 minutes to defend myself since now you're calling me out for ad hominem fallacy. We're on the interwebs and let's be perfectly honest our authority to judge, critique, and praise VNs would most likely come from pure experience with them in the first place, meaning players who actually have full original reviews might have a better standard of critique (though you can argue they can have personal bias) than your average VNDB member who might not even be able to read Japanese fully. I mean, with what else can prove your authority?

Again none of my original reply was directed towards you, but I want to take this time to suggest that if a player (more specifically #4 in question) has only really played darker nukige and rate them as the best ones out there all the while using personal preference as "logic" to critique genuinely good games, that's the people I can't trust.

I never said anything negative about having personal opinions and preferences, but when those are used to judge and rate games, that's when it becomes fallible and this is why I said the person "went full retard". Was it a personal attack? Maybe. Was it well-deserved? I'd say yes. Look at #4's post again: he starts off saying he didn't like something and thus it was bad, then becomes very vague regarding why he thought the game was bad, then finishes with incorrect analysis/information of the game which is what I base to suggest he didn't even read it. If at all, he should've included at least one example from a different game to prove his points. He suggests none.

Again with all due respect I myself have played at least 200-250 titles (possibly more) and have liberally claimed this game to be "the best" essentially perfect in many aspects to the point I want a remake of it. By no means I call myself an expert, but I think after 200 titles I can tell what games are good or not, and Damekoi was definitely on the stronger side for which it deserves its due respect.Last modified on 2017-08-27 at 03:45
#22 by shukumeiteki1
2017-08-27 at 18:13
< report >It's been a WHOLE year already, who are you even replying to at this point?
Is it so important for you to win a LOST conversation by bringing up the same arguments yet again?
O.o

But I must thank you for bumping this thread, otherwise I wouldn't have seen Tyr's comment and possibly ending up reading this VN D:
#23 by verifonix
2019-05-19 at 19:56
< report >Okay back to normal conversation, I've been wanting to play this game for a LONG time very cool to finally play it with the e-mote support and translation.

So far I'm really liking it! MC is not too bad and the female cast is so far likeable? Rating it a tentative '9' will see how much I'll have to lower that score :)...
#24 by Ileca
2019-05-19 at 20:59
< report >Can you disable the e-mote?
#25 by verifonix
2019-05-30 at 15:19
< report >@24 yes, under "gesture" there is on/off.