Do you listen to voices?
|#1 by nagtal|
2015-10-18 at 02:05
|I'm really trying to play visual novels, but I find that I am making really slow progress because I'm waiting for the voices to read out all the lines. What does everybody here do? Does anybody skip the voices?|
|#2 by verdun|
2015-10-18 at 02:13
|If the story blows and/or the individual voices annoy me, I'll skip past them.|
If not I'll take the time to listen.
|#3 by ma0u|
2015-10-18 at 02:58
|If i have time to spend on a visual novel i listen to the sound, Otherwise i just read it.|
|#4 by space-ranger|
2015-10-18 at 03:44
|I tend to listen to the voices. Even if/when I don't listen for what they say, I still prefer voices as they helps me tell the characters apart. I don't wait for voices all the time though, particularly not if I click quickly through a boring scene. It's not uncommon that I skip one or more H scenes as they easily becomes repetitive. Voices have no influence on that though.|
Also I assume for this discussion, we ignore unvoiced VNs. Obviously I ignore voices if they aren't there to begin with.
|#5 by phantasm|
2015-10-18 at 04:18
|I play most VN in auto-mode so waiting for voice is normal to me. Even if i click through, I still listen to voice unless that character's voice annoy me.|
I rather read a light novel than VN if I don't want voice.
|#6 by bunny1ov3r|
2015-10-18 at 05:09
|Some games allow you to mute voice so that autoplay will be much faster. On the other hand, I find that I do miss the voice somewhat if I do that. It's a conundrum. |
And yeah, you can click to cut voice if you want to read faster. Most games will keep autoplaying when you click (it's really annoying when I get a system that stops autoplay when I click).
|#7 by niyari|
2015-10-18 at 07:24
|always. the way i see it you might as well appreciate the effort of the seiyuus if you're going to play a visual novel. voice acting helps flesh out character. take for example Aya from Hatsuyuki Sakura, the directing on her voice perfectly captures everything about what kind of personality she has that wouldn't come across from just reading text or looking at her art.|
of course, if you find a voice annoying then you should just mute them since that's what sound options are there for.Last modified on 2015-10-18 at 07:25
|#8 by gabezhul|
2015-10-18 at 07:35
|I generally don't wait for voices to finish. I read relatively fast (practice! :P), so for me voices are just a neat little extra that helps set the tone of a spoken line, and I usually get said tone from the first few words alone.|
If the seiyuu is really good or puts up a really unusual performance then I sometimes listen to them, but otherwise I skip the moment I read the actual line.
Funny thing is, I do the same with most anime as well. I blame the recent boom in light-novel adaptations that all have these slow info-dumping parts that probably looked passable on paper but are actually atrociously slow when the characters have to speak the lines (not to mention often pretty silly; people in real-life don't infodump like that). It's pretty much the same thing, though I couldn't tell which came first for me.
|#9 by bunny1ov3r|
2015-10-18 at 18:33
|^ I know that some people are used to watching anime at 1.25-1.5x speed with adjusted sound ORZ.|
|#10 by space-ranger|
2015-10-18 at 20:34
Some games allow you to mute voice so that autoplay will be much faster.I hate auto mode. Sometimes I have to wait for ages for the next line and sometimes I only read half a line. With backlogs of various quality or even completely missing, I have stopped using this feature all together. Instead I wrote a small piece of code to work with a game controller. Each time I push it to the right, it generates a mouse click. It requires a very gentle pressure, meaning I don't get tired of clicking forward. At the same time I have complete control of the new text rate and can adapt completely to the amount of time I want to spend on each line.
Before anybody asks: no, I will not upload that piece of code. With the amount of software dependencies it is unlikely to work if just copied. For starters it only works with windows running in a virtual machine.
I know that some people are used to watching anime at 1.25-1.5x speed1.5 the speed is 1.5 as many jokes per minute, which makes it 1.5 times funnier right? Then why not 10x speed?
I have moved SD subtitles into HD video and fixed a time offset to match and similar actions to view something other than "just viewing the file". However changing the viewing speed never occurred to me and I don't think I would want that. If I finally have time to sit down and watch anime, my goal is to relax, not rush.
(not to mention often pretty silly; people in real-life don't infodump like that)Are you trying to say that I'm not a "real-life" person? Either that or I missed what you refer to as infodump.
|#11 by eacil|
2015-10-18 at 21:44
|He was talking about narrative in anime. If you want to see a pretty bad info-dump, watch Heavy Object this season and you will understand what it means even if I will never speed up a show or it will look like how I watch american tv series which I don't think much about. I understand that people have various way of not appreciating something so I won't say anything about people reading and watching VN without listening the work of seiyuu. I am still a little surprised, though.|
|#12 by krafty|
2015-10-19 at 00:41
|I love listening to the voices, partially because I read Japanese quite a bit slower than I can understand the speech, so they help me get through Kanji I'm not familiar with.|
Also, some voices really make the characters come alive and come to define them almost more than the character's visual depiction or even their dialogue; examples include Mamiya Takuji from Subarashiki Hibi, Neon Scala from Ourai no Gakthun and Nikaidou Shinku from Irotoridori no Sekai.
|#13 by takata|
2015-10-19 at 08:53
|I can't understand the voice, so I don't wait for it to fully play out. The voices do help to set the tone and identify the character though. Also, I find it annoying when the voice stops when I go to the next line, when the next line wasn't voiced.|
|#14 by darkraiders|
2015-10-19 at 09:00
|Most of the times yes, except during h-scenes.|
|#15 by tiglath|
2015-10-19 at 10:58
|I tend to listen to voices, sometimes even multiple times. I'm still in the process (slow process) of learning Japanese, so reading the lines and listening to the speaker tends to help me understand it better. Sometimes it helps me distinguish words from a line of hiragana I have trouble dividing into words (yes, I'm that bad at it). I also have trouble remembering kanji readings, voices also help with that.|
In H-scenes I usually skip them. Not much new vocabulary to learn there :P. I also turn off SFX (slurping and humping noises) and something I cannot stand at all: background moaning (as if voice acted moaning wasn't bad enough).
|#16 by maou-jp|
2015-10-19 at 13:11
|Since I'm trying to learn Japanese, I listen first and read later.|
I usually skip H-scenes but not always.
|#17 by [deleted]|
2015-10-19 at 13:32
|I don't skip anything aside the scenes I've already read.|
|#18 by space-ranger|
2015-10-19 at 16:07
In H-scenes I usually skip them. Not much new vocabulary to learn there :PJust learn the 3 big Os. Oppai, Omanko and Ochinchin. That's the important words for H scenes. Now we can all skip those with no vocabulary loss :P
|#19 by bunny1ov3r|
2015-10-19 at 17:18
|Wow, look at how many people not properly appreciating the efforts that seiyuu put in in their lines. I am pretty sure H-scenes are the part that they try the hardest. |
(don't mind me, I am just a troll)
|#20 by space-ranger|
2015-10-19 at 17:36
I am pretty sure H-scenes are the part that they try the hardest.Good point. However the issue is not as much the seiyuus, but rather the rather lame text they have to work with. The blame is with the script writers rather than the readers/listeners. I don't think this situation is ideal, but there is nothing I can do about it except do what it takes to maximize my own enjoyment. It's not like I hurt seiyuus by not listening to them.... well it might since I wrote about it online, but without this thread, they would never have known :P
You make me think of the manga Koe de Oshigoto where the whole theme is the really hard work of a specific young seiyuu, who have big issues with saying embarrassing words for H scenes, yet she can end up orgasm just from reading the lines. Not the greatest manga, but the comedy works and it has its moments, at least if you are aware of what voiced eroge is all about.
|#21 by bunny1ov3r|
2015-10-19 at 22:37
Good point. However the issue is not as much the seiyuus, but rather the rather lame text they have to work with.This is exactly the subtle point that I wasn't able to articulate earlier. The H-scenes are definitely lame for most of the VNs, for most readers. The lameness in H-scene for you is as the languishness in a big portion of daily conversations for numerous VNs that I've read. Usually, a significant portion of any one VN is filled with daily comedy, no matter what genre it is in. I am usually tired of these conversations after 30 minutes reading in. That's why I click through or even ctrl through a big portion of the voiced contents. There are exceptions though. I listened to most of the voices for Baldr Sky Dive and White Album 2 (for example), not only because the voices are well done, but also because I never got tired of the script.
At this point, people may raise this point. Why the fuck would you read VN, if not for the daily conversations? Well, for one, some parts of VN are more interesting than others. Maybe I didn't express myself clearly, but I meant that I click through a big portion of any VN, but do let the voice ring out their full duration for the more interesting parts of the novel. So in this sense, clicking is a form of skimming through the unimportant part, if you will.
Oh yeah, and also because I always read VN in Chinese trans (my native language), so usually I only need 1/3 of time for the seiyuu to speak out the line to read and comprehend the sentence. I get impatient waiting for the whole voice to come out.Last modified on 2015-10-19 at 22:48
|#22 by space-ranger|
2015-10-20 at 01:07
The lameness in H-scene for you is as the languishness in a big portion of daily conversations for numerous VNs that I've read.The daily conversations is one thing, like talking about food at while eating dinner or whatever. Those can be decent, funny or annoying depending on how well the script is written. I was more like talking about H scene script where you can give a 5 line summary of 200 lines without losing content other than moans or "oh my (whatever word they use for genitals/boobs)". There are also cases H scenes are so generic that you can replace the name with another heroine and you wouldn't notice the difference. Too shallow to show personality or anything like that.
Granted, writing H scenes is likely quite hard. He pushes into her, stuff happens and ends with a climax. It's hard not to make generic, but good writers can add character personality as well as fun moments, like clumsiness, jokes, somebody walking through the door or whatever. It just happens way too rarely.
Also I have the impression that a number of VN customers in Japan have a fetish for females saying names of genitals. I don't, which makes it boring, not exciting to hear them say those words over and over. It's not that I don't understand those words, it's more like it becomes repetitive and boring rather than interesting. I don't know if it's a cultural difference or a me being different, but either way, this H scene structure makes me skip lines, which is the question asked in this thread.
|#23 by nekoyasha|
2015-10-20 at 01:20
|Not only do I always listen to voices, I usually watch the OP (manually if it doesn't play automatically) every time I open the game. I'm in no hurry : )|
|#24 by space-ranger|
2015-10-20 at 02:13
|A number of OP are spoiler heavy, which is why I watch them last, not first. You don't know if it spoils until after you watched it.|
|#25 by bunny1ov3r|
2015-10-20 at 04:42
|@22 Good point. So that's why I almost always use the "ctrl" function for H-scene, and usually "right click" and/or "enter" for daily conversation, due to their different level of "boringness". And as you eloquently put it, |
It's hard not to make generic, but good writers can add character personality as well as fun moments, like clumsiness, jokes, somebody walking through the door or whatever.Furthermore, even among good characters created by good writers, there are some that I just can't bring myself to like so much for whatever reason, even though it may be a well-done character. I am sure this happen to everyone. After all, one plays galgame for the heroine (or the hero for people with the opposite sexual orientation).Last modified on 2015-10-20 at 04:46
It just happens WAY TOO rarely.
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