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#1 by pendelhaven
2015-12-04 at 18:10
Was browsing on /jp/ a week ago, a comment said that this was translated. A week later, lo and behold, it IS finished.

Haven't been too deep in the story, but the media manipulation and bullying took me by surprise. And I think this VN came at the right time, as I was watching the happenings in EU. Let's just say media manipulation is scary, and that's an understatement.

Also that poor girl (literally) giving off all the YMK vibes I just hope she delivers as advertised. Chisato on the other hand is acting like a bitch on our protag. She should "check her privilege" lel. All other girls are very much a 'bro' in their own way. Mifuyu as the gentle onee-san type, non-chan as the kid genius, Michiru the quiet cool type like she's from some dark organization working as a silent assassin or something, Satsuki the too upright.

If I'd give a reason why you should play this, play this for the poor girl (literally).
#2 by natsucule
2015-12-07 at 02:39
No Hazuki end :'(
#3 by pendelhaven
2015-12-07 at 11:28
Still at common route... anyone else hating Chisato with a seething passion?
#4 by tokita
2015-12-07 at 23:03
Then you're going to love this, Pendel.
#5 by eruflipper
2015-12-08 at 03:39
I actually thought Chisato is pretty okay. I finished Chisato/Common, and I can actually see the symbolism on why her route was first.

It's actually pretty clever. Spoilers for anyone who didn't finish her route yet. My theory is that her route symbolizes her letting go of her dependence on Yuuki and after completing her route she lets go of him after finishing it and allowing him to be with other girls.
#6 by natsucule
2015-12-08 at 12:47
"Enlightenment is when you realize hating Chisato is
what makes you love the other girls that much more."
#7 by natsucule
2015-12-08 at 12:52
This is the first time I didn't want to finish a heroine route because I hate said heroine that much since Kanon from G-Senjou no Maou. But I HAVE to finish her route so I can unlock the other four :sad:Last modified on 2015-12-08 at 12:53
#8 by ferustachi
2015-12-08 at 19:24
@5 I was more thinking that it shows why Yuuki cannot accept her feelings because she is unable to move on from such things as her brother's death and why their relationship is as it is when the VN begins and how Chisato must progress past that to get what she wants and if she doesn't make an attempt to do so she will lose Yuuki to someone else. That and since they included so much in Chisato's route it saves them from having to repeat everything so you get a couple sentence blurb about a scene because you should know what happens in said scene via playing Chisato's route.

Now for my view that is not a reply to eruflipper. I do think Chisato gets more tolerable after she pretty much switches from tsun to dere and progresses beyond viewing Yuuki as her brother's replacement.

Shockingly my opinion of Chisato didn't reach its lowest point in her route but in Isara's route read it and you will see what I mean. I say she is pretty tolerable in Satsuki and Mifiuyu's route and she is pretty much outright supportive of Yuuki in Michiru's route.

After reading the entire VN I have to say Michiru is my favorite route, though one has to stretch my suspension of belief quite far in her route and I need to stop thinking of a certain bottle blond character from a certain VN. That and her route also raised my opinion of the President by quite a bit. Plus I enjoy her as a character because in any route, excluding Yuuki's love interest in that route, she is pretty much his most loyal supporter and comrade in the campaign. Though that is just my perspective.

Just thought I would give my two cents.Last modified on 2015-12-08 at 19:37
#9 by pendelhaven
2015-12-08 at 19:37
Shockingly my opinion of Chisato didn't reach its lowest point in her route but in Isara's route read it and you will see what I mean.

How is this shocking when she's a total clingy yandere(?) whenever the protag tries to go near Isara even from the common route?
#10 by ferustachi
2015-12-08 at 19:46
I would have expected my opinion to have been at its lowest in her own route is what I more meant. To be fair I did read Isara's last so it is freshest in my mind. But also because in Isara's route I would say her actions had way more serious repercussions then her just being clingy and jealous in the other routes so it reached rock bottom thanks to her.Last modified on 2015-12-08 at 19:46
#11 by jakerams
2015-12-08 at 21:20
I guess I'm one of the few that just love Chisato. But then again I like all of the heroines in this.
#12 by ferustachi
2015-12-08 at 23:40
Well so do I actually, I am quite fond of Chisato after she goes to the lovey-dovey part of tsundere but her attitude before that is admittedly annoying, perhaps more so because you have to read her route first (though I do get the guessed reasons). So half her route and her actions in the common are annoying but I think it does get better so I think she gains some points back somewhat in her route. But I will not deny that I was disappointed to learn that I had to go through her route first.

Overall for me she is a divisive character, some parts liked others hated.Last modified on 2015-12-08 at 23:59
#13 by natsucule
2015-12-09 at 02:04
I'm just sad that there was no Hazuki-sensei end.. Or even a scene with her. A fandisc including her, Monkey #1, #2 and the reporter would've been nice.
#14 by shimon
2015-12-09 at 14:21
I'm despairing because of the same reason. Somehow, I liked Hazuki back in the anime and I'm just liking her even more while reading the VN. Whyyyyy.
#15 by ferustachi
2015-12-09 at 17:40
@13 Well unless we want it to turn into a BL thing (to which some fans would rage over the lack of a Yume route then) we need to confirm that Hidaka is in fact a girl because that is unsettled. Personally I lean towards girl myself because of how he/she looks in normal girl's clothes and some of his/her behavior at times, but on the other hand there are some very passable traps so we need more than that.

Monkey 1 and 2 would have a shared route since that only makes sense with them. I am normally not too fond of threesome routes but in their case it makes complete sense for it to happen. That or ignore the threesome idea and have the other one walk in on about every other intimate moment and sex scene accidentally, for both humor, to show they need to develop apart from each other, and to tease at the threesome idea.

Hazuki I picture much drinking and being merry involved. So I'm game since, now that you mention it, I wouldn't mind seeing her route as a kind of what if.Last modified on 2015-12-09 at 17:43
#16 by maou-jp
2015-12-21 at 21:26
Why the main character see strange things? For example, Tatsumi has a strange mask, and that guy with the propeller.[spoiler]Last modified on 2015-12-21 at 21:31
#17 by liquidacid
2015-12-26 at 16:59
@15 I know in the anime version it's reveled that Hidaka is a girl who was forced by her club to wear both male and female uniforms so as to falsify the number of club members to obtain more funding.Last modified on 2015-12-26 at 17:02
#18 by jassman
2015-12-27 at 16:19
So how's the translation for this? Cus I just learned that the Noble Works translation has a shitload of errors so this makes me wary of fantls now.

Yeah, different group I know, so some reassurance would be nice.Last modified on 2015-12-27 at 16:20
#19 by kiru
2015-12-27 at 16:40
Read not too much, but it was fine, as far as I'm concerned.

Just for reference, where did you hear that Noble Works has a bad TL? That stuff gets spouted for quite a few VNs, and in most cases it's not really true. (nothing is perfect, just sometimes it seems that a few errors are blown out of proportion and sometimes they are never ever mentioned..)
#20 by jassman
2015-12-27 at 16:53
Reddit. The list they compiled does makes sense. Well, for Noble Works, the whole TL isn't entirely bad, just has quite a number of translation errors.
#21 by kiru
2015-12-27 at 17:23
Still, I'd ignore that. Try it and see if you like it and if so: Fine. If not: well that sucks. We aren't talking about machine-tl here.

Japanese is simply a language that's HEAVILY context dependent and can often be translated in many different ways. Mostly thanks to Japanese and English being not exactly close languages. The "optimal" way is debatable and even something not fitting may not necessarily be a "wrong translation". A simple literal translation just doesn't work.
"Sound of Drop" is a great recent example. It's so literal, without much English knowledge by the translator, that you get English that can hardly be called English. It's unnatural, doesn't flow and at worst doesn't make any sense at all, except if you try to translate it back to Japanese at which point you can maybe understand what the heck was meant there.

It's just not easy. I'm not checking reddit myself, but I'd just try it. You are your own best judge. What you don't see yourself... what does it matter? As long as you have fun that is of course.
I could've also made a list of errors I found in the Koisuru Natsu no Last Resort TL simply by listening to the JP voices, and even though I'm nowhere near fluent in Japanese. But for the big picture they didn't really matter and the VN should be about as fun in English as it could probably be. (although partway through I started to think I should've written that stuff down, as there were enough little mistakes to definitely warrant a report of them. Not just TL, but also grammar/typos or missing words )Last modified on 2015-12-27 at 17:24
#22 by rizor
2015-12-27 at 20:32
Really enjoyed the game overall. Favourite route order in my opinion was Satsuki > Chisato > Michiru > Mifuyu > Isara.

Anyone else find it strange that the Insert song the plays when Chisato either gives up on Yuuki or when Yuuki confesses to her in her own route is not in any OST or the in game Extra section?
Last modified on 2015-12-27 at 20:32
#23 by pendelhaven
2016-01-05 at 17:59
Just finished Mifuyu route (meaning one more route left).

forced drama everywhere. literally everywhere. What is this, OELVN? The entirety of her route can be summed into 3 parts.

1. the obvious love triangle
2. Peeking at her laptop
3. the hospital dash, which I believe to be objectively worse than airport dash of Lily route from Katawa Shoujo.

I was truly expecting more but... oh shit.
#24 by verdun
2016-01-07 at 17:15
So, I got to this a bit late. Computer trouble and whatever. I just finished the Chisato route and I can honestly say I haven't hated a route this much since Yumina in Yumina the Ethereal.

It didn't help that I found her personally annoying, I hate angry tsundere characters and the only way I could hate her harder was if she was a violent loli.

And like I said, I hated her route even more.

On the minor side, I don't think they developed her personal trauma well enough, the conclusion made sense though. My real issue was the latter end of the route. I look at the tagline "love, election, and chocolate," and feel that they completely abandoned the election aspect. Instead, they go forward with this Takos idea which is so unbelievably idiotic. There is no way in hell that you can get me to believe a company would go so far as kidnapping and attempted murder to maintain their store in a school even if said school has 2000 students. Even if it was just that store acting on it's own, the motivation is completely ridiculous. And the worst part about, THEY REFUSE TO PRESS CHARGES. What the hell is that?! The old lady apologized and they're probably reflecting on it.... BULLSHIT. If the store is going that far, they must be out of their minds. And at the end, Yuuki loses the election which I am totally okay with. But it would have been much better and believable if they actually spent the time developing his competition and showed them being competent. They should have developed the story around the other two candidates and built them up as the antagonists. Which would actually go with their own title, but no we have to go out of left field to find an antagonist. It was great till the second half of the arc where everything just goes to crap.

I hope the other routes pan out.
#25 by elpwny
2016-01-18 at 20:26
@rizor Editor/misc. hacker here. About your spoiler, I love that you noticed that. The original song was too short for the increased time the autoplay took with the English text. This left a significant portion of some very emotional scenes without any music. Therefore we spliced in an (official) extended version of the song from one of the separately released CDs.
Fuck Chisato


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