Game inclusion in the DB

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#526 by mysterycorgi
2019-06-13 at 11:51
I tried looking this one for on the database as well as discussions and didn't see anything, so I'm bringing it up here: Forget Me Not: My Organic Garden
I'm a bit on the fence because of the incremental/clicker gameplay, but the story is 100% kinetic novel, drawn out by the incremental gardening gameplay.

I also wonder about Insurgence - Chains of Renegade because despite being a RPGMaker game due to how the story and dialogue are delivered. Example 1, Example 2, Example 3, as well as this example and this choice screen which are both from the upcoming sequel.Last modified on 2019-06-13 at 11:52
#527 by beliar
2019-06-21 at 16:01
Just to squash that frequent misconception, but ADV style story presentation, CGs and choices are not necessarily the exclusive features of visual novels. Rather they are also pretty much the standard features of most jRPGs.

The main feature that separates VNs from jRPGs is the presence of narration, which we have as a requirement for games that include gameplay.

Anyway, I did take a quick look at "Insurgence - Chains of Renegade", and as I suspected it's definitely not a visual novel. It's pretty much a traditional RPG, with the only thing of note regarding it, being the atrocious machine translated English language :-(
#528 by mrkew
2019-06-22 at 07:28
I want to ask if the VN hybrid from the circle PeperoncinoSoft Virgin Road (released in the west as Holy Road by Kagura Games) is allowed, so that I don't waste my time creating a page for it. It meets both of the requirements specified in the rules.
Narration - both in H-scenes and normal scenes. About 50% of the H-scene lines are narration. link
Presentation method - Large majority of the time is spent reading the text in a text window (ADV). Video of the first 10 minutes is here: link
#529 by warfoki
2019-06-22 at 21:11
Oh, I played this one a while back. I think it would fit. The gameplay is very simplistic and will make up at most like 30% of the play-time. It's essentially just padding in between scenes. It might seem more than it is at first with all the freedom of placing buildings and whatnot, but once you figure out the very simple mechanics of the game, the entire management becomes a pretty much thoughtless routine that you can be done with quite fast. I can't remember the ratio of narration anymore, but I remember it being there. I'm not the guy making the final decisions on these things, but I think it could fit here.
#530 by donkeyskin
2019-06-29 at 06:29
Does this (there's nudity) count as a visual novel that can be added to the database?

I found a video for those who don't want to download it: link (again, nudity)

The issue is that it's extremely short (one minute if you only play it once without trying for all the cards). There's the fortune teller's dialogue presented in ADV style (with no narration). Technically, all of the title is made of pure reading, there's no game hybrid element, only a normal vn-like choice. It should count as a pure vn.

I read #517 message and thought it could apply despite its shortness, but I feel extremely silly adding it without anyone else's blessing.
#531 by eacil
2019-06-29 at 06:41
Length is not a criterium for inclusion/exclusion.
#532 by donkeyskin
2019-06-29 at 14:39
Yeah, somehow I was under the impression there had to be a minimum length to draw the line at.
Anyway, in case it is still deemed objectionable, the page I created can be found here: link
#533 by usagi
2019-07-09 at 15:38
I strongly suspect that Monster Prom does not belong here. Judging by screens and description - it's PURE dating sim.
#534 by beliar
2019-07-09 at 21:44
Yeah, I have checked Monster Prom and in my eyes it really doesn't qualify as a visual novel. It has no plot. You basically choose the length of your game session and then try to raise the affection with one of the characters.

The events that happen do have a VN presentation, including the narration, but there is no plot, which I do think is a requirement for the game to be a "novel"...

What do you guys think? If I hear no strenuous objections I will delete the game in a few days.
#535 by lunaterra
2019-07-09 at 22:37
Monster Prom is just The Yawhg with a different skin. I don't mean this as an insult, it's just what it is--they're mechanically identical.

The Yawhg was deleted from the database for being more CYOA than visual novel, so if that went, then Monster Prom should go too. (Although ironically, The Yawhg actually has more of a plot: "a monster's going to destroy the town in a week, raise your stats so you can help rebuild.")
#536 by butterflygrrl
2019-08-04 at 23:52
Knee Deep is a 3d walkaround adventure game. While it is narrative, I don't think it meets the usual definition of visual novels.
#537 by beliar
2019-08-05 at 17:43
Apparently I have completely forgot about deleting Monster Prom. Time to rectify the mistake. But damn that will be a lot of stuff to delete...

I'll have to check Knee Deep once I have a chance.
#538 by shining17
2019-08-05 at 18:06
Just curious but are those deleted entries still included and counted as database stat? (Currently 25199)
#539 by yorhel
2019-08-05 at 18:11
No.
#540 by beliar
2019-08-05 at 18:13
I'm not sure, but database does not update in real time, but once every 24 hours at a set time (I think 12:00 UTC). So tomorrow simply count how many VNs were removed and added before that time and compare with the current number.
...
Or simply ask Yorhel :-P
Edit: Ninja'd by the boss.Last modified on 2019-08-05 at 18:14
#541 by yorhel
2019-08-05 at 18:16
Those counters are updated in real-time, actually. Or should be, anyway. It's only the tags/trait links and VN popularity/ratings that are updated daily.
#542 by shining17
2019-08-05 at 18:17
Thanks for the answers. :)
#543 by beliar
2019-08-06 at 17:42
@536: I have played Knee Deep for about 50 minutes in order to form an opinion, and I really can find nothing that would disqualify it as a visual novel.

It's pretty much a pure visual novel, albeit one made in a full 3D environment, which we actually have a tag for (Realtime 3D). It's not a "walkaround adventure game", because you never control characters directly, and they are only ever shown walking as a method of scene transition. It has a pretty low amount of narration, but narration is not even a requirement for pure VNs like this.

So, yeah, definitely not removing it.
#544 by butterflygrrl
2019-08-09 at 23:05
this game I have no idea if it counts as a VN, i think probably not? but i thought I should ask.

link

gameplay looks like, there is a short video clip of the girl, with subtitles at the bottom for what she says or for what the invisible unvoiced male protagonist says. sometimes the game will give you directions to click on something. sometimes between video clips you will be asked to get points to unlock the next clip (it was a mobile phone game originally).

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