Game inclusion in the DB

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#601 by eacil
2020-03-31 at 19:46
And is it good?
#602 by usagi
2020-03-31 at 20:38
And is it good?
I like it so far. It reminded me Berserk manga/anime by its atmosphere. I played only 3-4 hours though. Good writing and very grimdark world. Also high replayability - you can be evil sadist or even good samaritan, abstaining from any tortures and trying to execute victims in the most painless way. But both way of playing have its own challenges - former will endanger you to losing your sanity too fast while latter will put you in high risque of getting mob and king's anger. That, and the whole plot have great deal of interactivity - there are tons of options you can go about each and every event in the game - resulting in lot of consequences as well. And torture minigame is actually quite interesting time and resources management puzzle - with high chance of killing or forcing to get insane your victims before they can give you needed answers/confessions. Its not easy to be an executioner )Last modified on 2020-03-31 at 20:43
#603 by eacil
2020-03-31 at 20:48
Ok, thanks for the comment. Definitely wishlisted (Berserk is in my manga top 5). I will look at your vote to see if your appreciation changed along the way.
On a side note, don't you think the first screenshot is a major spoiler, or is it something right at the beginning? I know it's on steam but when I saw it I thought maybe it was one of those huge spoilers used to attract attention.
#604 by usagi
2020-03-31 at 21:00
Definitely wishlisted (Berserk is in my manga top 5). I will look at your vote to see if your appreciation changed along the way.
I am afraid I won't be the source of information you need here since I don't have much time to read vns regularly and I have huge issues with too low attention span - resulting in dropping majority of vns if they are not very short - notwithstanding how good they can be and how much I liked them at the time of first play session. I am not able to finish any vn of decent length for quite a time already.
On a side note, don't you think the first screenshot is a major spoiler, or is it something right at the beginning? I know it's on steam but when I saw it I thought maybe it was one of those huge spoilers used to attract attention.
It's right at the beginning.
#605 by ginseigou
2020-04-01 at 05:19
What about adding Disco Elysium, The Banner Saga, King of Dragon Pass and Tyranny? They're pretty similar to The Executioner.Last modified on 2020-04-01 at 05:49
#606 by usagi
2020-04-01 at 12:23
What about adding Disco Elysium, The Banner Saga, King of Dragon Pass and Tyranny? They're pretty similar to The Executioner.
No, they are not. The gameplay-to-reading ratio there is much more focused on the gameplay aspect as far as I can tell. The Executioner is basically a book - albeit very interactive one. Gameplay mechanics there is more like add-on to the story rather than the core of the game. Banner Saga is pure tactical RPG with usual story bits between battles - like in many similar titles (Fire Emblem, Vandal Hearts, Final Fantasy Tactics etc.). Idk why you think otherwise - yes, there are occassional (and very short) narration parts here and there - but you will spend more time on battles without doubt.
Disco Elysium has its deep profound unique RPG system as the main draw of the game - rather than its story. That, and reading flow is constantly interrupted there by gameplay features such as using skills and checking probabilities. Adding to that free movement and locations exploring, point-n-click adventure parts and unconventional way for text presentation - and you get the media piece which is quite far from what visual novel should be. Other twio titles I didn't play yet - however I strongly suspect that they have similar issues too.
#607 by ginseigou
2020-04-01 at 13:29
King of Dragon Pass is an interactive book too link . It looks very similar, there's inventory, character skills, map movement and you spend most of your time reading random encounters with choices to advance the story. It has no gameplay apart from choices and village management.
#608 by butterflygrrl
2020-04-01 at 16:20
If Long Live The Queen is out, I don't think King of Dragon Pass can be included, it's much less narrative. The random encounters are fun but the core gameplay loop is balancing your village numbers.

King of Dragon Pass is definitely not an interactive book, it has no through-line story like LLTQ does. LLTQ could have been easily written as a gamebook (if you have Diplomacy 10, turn to page 80). King of Dragon Pass could not. The random encounters do not 'advance the story', they are random. If you look at a guide to how to play the game the guide is all about the village management decisions - exploring, defending, raiding, building shrines. That's how the game advances.

(However I have not played the Executioner so I can't compare that.)Last modified on 2020-04-01 at 16:24
#609 by usagi
2020-04-02 at 13:19
you spend most of your time reading random encounters
You said it yourself. The whole King of Dragon Pass time is filled with gameplay mechanics - where text is meant to serve the game process - not other way around.This is not what book reading should be.
In Executioner there aren't random events and it has consistent story. While there are some mechanics too - it could do even without them easily - replacing them with usual choices. It wouldn't change that much.
#610 by usagi
2020-04-18 at 18:12
Does digital comic such as this Paizuri Fantasies belong here?
#611 by beliar
2020-04-18 at 19:01
From the screenshots alone I would say it's a digital comic. It might be wrapped in a VN engine, like Ren'Py, but I have encountered many such comics before and an idea I should add them here didn't even cross my mind. If I find, I'll check the "gameplay", but preliminarily I'd say it's not a right fit for us.
#612 by usagi
2020-04-18 at 20:02
It shold be deleted then from vndb, no?
#613 by eacil
2020-04-18 at 20:28
You have a really short memory, Beliar, because you decided to accept Motion Comics less than two years ago.
#614 by beliar
2020-04-18 at 21:06
No this kind of comics. The one instance where I said it might qualify was distinctly different, and as far as I know it still wasn't added to the db.
#615 by eacil
2020-04-19 at 05:31
How so? The one you said qualified is just a manga pre-cut and stuffed inside a software where you click to get new bubbles and panels. It's exactly what this Paizuri Fantasies is according to the steam video.

adult comic 'kinetic' visual novel stories
This description is so full of crap...Last modified on 2020-04-19 at 05:32
#616 by beliar
2020-04-19 at 10:41
Got a chance to try Paizuri Fantasies and imho it's definitely just a digital comic. I have no idea why they wrapped it into a Vn engine, especially, because they are also selling a PDF version too. If we allow this, we might as well allow any CBR/CBZ format comic too.

How so?
link, which I think you are talking about displayed each comic panel taking up the full screen (and it transitioned between panels, rather than pages), the bubble speech appeared as the characters spoke rather than all at once, and it was fully voiced and had multiple animations. So, it was more than just a simple comic book. However, the point is moot as it wasn't added to the db anyway.
#617 by butterflygrrl
2020-04-19 at 13:47
>I have no idea why they wrapped it into a Vn engine, especially

so they could sell it on steam, i assume!
#618 by eacil
2020-04-19 at 20:00
The point is not moot because CITY no.109 Arisu-hen is in the db and nothing prevents me from adding Mizu's. Animation and voices are irrelevant as admission criteria.
Anyway, you are saying the steam video is lying if it doesn't transition from panels but pages, bubbles appear all at once, in a word, you turn pages like a regular digital manga. I guess there is no royalty-free music either.
I found that it was kickstarted. Since when 18+ content is allowed on KS?
#619 by beliar
2020-04-19 at 20:53
you are saying the steam video is lying if it doesn't transition from panels but pages, bubbles appear all at once, in a word, you turn pages like a regular digital manga.
Exactly. You simply flip the pages. The Steam video is bullshit.

Since when 18+ content is allowed on KS?
Since ages ago. You just cannot have any 18+ stuff on the KS page. As long as the page is clean you can kickstart any smut you want.

And I don't remember CITY no.109 Arisu-hen. Did I make any decision on it, before? there is no demo on the dlsite to try it.Last modified on 2020-04-19 at 20:55
#620 by eacil
2020-04-19 at 21:46
I played it, it's not a digital manga. It's what you saw with the Mizu's one.
#621 by curious
2020-04-28 at 08:22
A doubt, shouldn't link and others Nijiiro Bambi titles be included since H na Kanojo (Natsu) is? At least these two are similar.
#622 by 707
2020-05-01 at 05:12
A3! (Act! Addict! Actors!) this doesn't look like a visual novel for me
#623 by beliar
2020-05-01 at 11:17
How so? Looks pretty VN for me: link
#624 by shining17
2020-05-19 at 03:41
Ideology in Friction

Hrpg, not VN.
#625 by kittyace
2020-05-23 at 01:11
Hypnospace Outlaw is a Point and Click Adventure, not a visual novel. I guess reading is more integral to the game than most point and click games, but nothing in the game is formatted like a visual novel.