|#1 by jazz957|
2016-04-08 at 04:00
|No. You aren't going crazy. That really says Frontwing. O_o|
|#2 by plaisanterie|
2016-04-08 at 05:00
|I like how they bother to re-translate VN that's been translated for ages now, rather than picking a VN that's not translated at all...|
|#3 by rusanon|
2016-04-08 at 05:06
|Edit: translator answered below, his info is more accurate most likely.Last modified on 2016-04-08 at 06:42|
|#4 by encrypted12345|
2016-04-08 at 05:26
|At least in this case, it won't be as catastrophic if they decide to do a wide screen all ages release since it would simply be a port of the console version rather than outright censorship. Or at least, I wouldn't have a problem with that.|
Still, I get falling out with Sekai because of that that fiasco, but partnering with Frontwing is interesting. I wonder if Key will do non-Key games. It feels like Sekai Project might be entirely phased out soon, but that still depends on whether or not this KS campaign can be executed well.
|#5 by then00bavenger|
2016-04-08 at 06:06
There's no retranslation, according to fantl team, frontwing will use their tl.
Where did you hear that? I told him the fantl was pretty much unusable and should be redone. Considering I wasn't contacted about this recently, I would imagine it's being retranslated by someone else as requested.
Granted I did say they could use mine if they wanted but I think I made it clear enough how bad of an idea that would be. Maybe it's a "if we get the funds from kickstarter, we'll retranslate, if we don't, fuck it" sort of dealLast modified on 2016-04-08 at 06:25
|#6 by rusanon|
2016-04-08 at 06:46
Where did you hear that?Certain editor on irc.
Now that I checked Sharin wiki page, I don't see him on staff. My bad for assuming he was part of that team.
Most likely he just interpreted the fact that frontwing contacted you as definite sign of using fan-tl.
|#7 by dk382⭐|
2016-04-08 at 09:04
|Yeah, herkz was on twitter stating as a matter of fact that they're using the fantl. I find your story more likely, though.|
|#8 by rusanon|
2016-04-08 at 09:30
|Well, after that yet another person affiliated with the tl project said that its "fan tl with revisions", so I guess we should just wait for some kind of official information from Frontwing/ABS2.|
|#9 by gumak|
2016-04-08 at 10:48
|Both companies have history with mishandling 18+ versions. This is going to be interesting.|
|#10 by hiecchi|
2016-04-08 at 17:21
|The most important question here is; 18+ or All Age Version?|
Lets hope both
Still its a great thing to see that Key dont work anymore with Sekai
|#11 by encrypted12345|
2016-04-08 at 19:19
|Almost certainly all ages version, because #9. But at least the console improvements might be nice if they port those. Otherwise, I won't have much reason to buy it, much less help crowdfund it.|
|#12 by encrypted12345|
2016-04-19 at 04:20
It's worse than I could have imagined.
|#13 by verdun|
2016-04-19 at 05:53
|We hired a crack team to comb through the fan translation. Tee hee.|
Reading the page just gives me all sorts of negative vibes from Akabei Soft and Frontwing.
|#14 by encrypted12345|
2016-04-19 at 06:31
|My personal favorite is gallery and music replay DLC. You can't really justify a price for basic VN features taken for granted.|
|#15 by warfoki|
2016-04-19 at 06:37
|Also, $3600 for a shikshi alone. Are you kidding me? What a fucking scam.|
"Hey, give us money so that I can give you the translation you already have, now with half the functions sliced off into DLC packs! Your help will make us able to do the same with other VNs, so be sure to help us!"
Yeah, fuck that.Last modified on 2016-04-19 at 06:37
|#16 by gabezhul|
2016-04-19 at 07:13
(Looseboy) A writer whose stories have gained widespread appeal for their highly dramatic scenes and their use of clever plot devices.Bwahahaha! The best joke I have heard in weeks!
Wait, they were serious about that?
Seriously though, this kickstarter is bullshit. I am not against a commercial western release, but this just smells like an over-the-top money-grab, and the top tiers are patently ridiculous.
|#17 by gumak|
2016-04-19 at 10:06
|"Nani? Should we include fandisc content already incorporated into console versions? Don't be silly. We'll ask those baka gaijins to pay more for it and they'll like it!"|
Why am I not fucking surprised that CEOs of Frontwing and Akabei Soft2 are friends? And no 18+ because why even bother.
|#18 by kiru|
2016-04-19 at 11:28
|I mean these are the guys who think that DRM is the way to get more sales. Why are people surprised?|
|#19 by encrypted12345|
2016-04-19 at 13:36
|I would laugh if this got funded... then after the campaign they announce that they will be using Denuvo.|
|#20 by sanahtlig|
2016-04-19 at 19:07
|I think Frontwing is responding to the market reality that casual Steam shoppers won't pay more than $10-$20 for a story "game". So they artificially created a stripped down version that they could market at these shoppers, while still selling the full version at full price to traditional VN customers. It's a rather ingenious business strategy--though I think episodic releases are a more intuitive way to handle this. However, it's probably much easier technically to just disable menu options.Last modified on 2016-04-19 at 19:09|
|#21 by kiru|
2016-04-19 at 21:43
|I don't think I'd ever support an episodic VN. Of course this silly DLC I wouldn't support either, but episodic VNs are even worse. We get that enough already with OELVNs and adventure like games. Usually those have 2 hour episodes or so, which is an absolute no-go. |
Especially for VNs it just hurts, as you can't use the strengths of it being a novel anymore. You can't take some time to establish the setting, do worldbuilding, do some good character-interaction, as every short episode needs their own "hook" and whatnot. It just collapses.
Of course there are exceptions. Umineko for example. But that's not really comparable. The story's structure makes the episodic release fine. (and the episodes are individually longer than some "all episodes together" games from the west too...) However forcing "episodes" into VNs is not a good idea at all.
That said publishers will try out things, that's just natural. So I'm pretty happy that they do this with stuff I don't really need to buy anymore anyway, as I've read it and am done with the title since a long time. (or in Sharin's case have dropped it) That makes it easy to not support Sharin with weird DLC and this strange kickstarter. Nothing of value will be lost anyway.
|#22 by loctar87|
2016-04-20 at 16:01
I think Frontwing is responding to the market reality that casual Steam shoppers won't pay more than $10-$20 for a story "game". So they artificially created a stripped down version that they could market at these shoppers, while still selling the full version at full price to traditional VN customers. It's a rather ingenious business strategy--though I think episodic releases are a more intuitive way to handle this. However, it's probably much easier technically to just disable menu options.Here's the thing: It costs them nothing to give us a CG and Music gallery. So if they can sell it for cheap without it, they can sell it for cheap with it. Personally, I think it's nonsense that there's some kind of "casual" Steam buyer that's going to buy their game if it's 5 bucks cheaper, but even if that were true, it's not worth pissing off your core audience with these nickel-and-dime tactics. So, no, it's a lousy business strategy.
I'm a bit more sympathetic of episodic releases, so long as pricing is reasonable. But besides being mildly unpopular, that's probably a money loser for them. If they have a $55 game, and they split it into 3 $20 games, it allows people to abandon the game if they don't like the first $20 bundle, leaving them with -$35 than they would have had. It let's them abandon a project early if it doesn't sell well, but that would be another slap in the face of their customers.Last modified on 2016-04-20 at 16:04
|#23 by playcool92|
2016-05-16 at 12:49
|Seems they changed back, I like what I readed on their most recent updates. I will probably support the VN, just need to read more info about this project to be sure.|
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