Staff real-name policy

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#1 by yorhel
2016-06-14 at 13:19
Oohashi Ken'ichirou. please explain. Im sure we decided to not use real names when people did not actually use them.Last modified on 2016-07-02 at 12:43
#2 by wakaranai
2016-06-14 at 13:28
no, we decided to not include aliases not used in VN production. real names are added whenever known.
#3 by yorhel
2016-06-14 at 13:34
Im pretty sure it was decided not to use the real name if it was never credited, and the current guidelines agree with that:

Typically this is either the person's true name (if known, and if the person has used their true name in the context of VNs)
#4 by wakaranai
2016-06-14 at 13:36
fine, but if you want to enforce no-real-name policy, we'll have to edit out real names in many (100+) entries, and i think you'd better consult on the matter with mods first.
#5 by yorhel
2016-06-14 at 15:18
I have nothing against real names, but IMO it doesn't make much sense to make it the primary name (or even an alias) if the real name is not used at all in credits. Using the description is fine. Do we really have many uncredited real-name entries?

But agreed, feedback from others is welcomed.
#6 by beliar
2016-06-14 at 16:21
I'm actually with Wakaranai here. I have always assumed that we decided to include real names if they are known. All the entries I added were shaped that way, and if we decide to remove unused real names, a lot of them will have to be edited down.

I think that having real names is an advantage and there are no benefits in removing them. After all, we aim to be a comprehensive database.

That's just my opinion about the matter, though.
#7 by sanahtlig
2016-06-14 at 19:47
You're lucky this site is in a foreign language, else you'd probably be getting complaints from creators and IP holders.

I'd recommend sticking with the approved staff listed in the credits if you want to stay as true as possible to the wishes of the creators involved. Pseudonyms are used in this industry for a reason. Outing them with real names on a site like this is kind of a breach of privacy. How would you feel if one day you realized your VNDB pseudonym had been changed to your real name without your permission or consent? (JAST actually did this. Users were not happy.)Last modified on 2016-06-14 at 19:58
#8 by hnnyn
2016-06-15 at 01:18
tbh i think it's better to not include real name (if not used as credit) in name list, just like #7 said

there are a lot of real name (in alias), but some of them (or as far i've seen) are used as credit
#9 by wakaranai
2016-06-15 at 05:11
Do we really have many uncredited real-name entries?
you tell us.
SELECT COUNT(*) FROM staff s WHERE NOT EXISTS (
SELECT 1 FROM vn_staff WHERE vn_staff.aid = s.aid
UNION
SELECT 1 FROM vn_seiyuu WHERE vn_seiyuu.aid = s.aid);
or something like this.

and every entry should be checked, whether it's actually never credited or it's just so happens that nobody bothered to add a credit.Last modified on 2016-06-15 at 05:13
#10 by nutellafan
2016-06-15 at 09:45
I agree with wakaranai and beliar.

In the case of KENN/Oohashi Ken'ichirou, his stage name isn't the same thing as pseudonyms used by seiyuu doing R18+ work. His real name isn't intended to be kept private and "KENN" could even be considered his nickname (especially by his fans) rather than purely a stage name to keep a real name "hidden". Yes, I don't believe KENN gets credited for his seiyuu work by his real name, but since this is a database, it'd be nice for those interested to learn more about the seiyuu they looked up. That's one of the reasons why I try to be as comprehensive as I can with every entry I make. It makes sense for their real name to be the main name, so people can learn which name is their real name and which is the stage name.

However, a case could be made for seiyuu doing R18+ work, since many of them probably do earnestly intend (i.e. not just a formality) to hide behind aliases for whatever reason (embarrassment, work-related reasons, etc.). That being said, some of the more well-known Japanese sites listing eroge seiyuu aliases such as Galgame Himegimi openly reveal real names and I've never heard of them getting in trouble.Last modified on 2016-06-15 at 09:48
#11 by yorhel
2016-07-02 at 09:44
@wakaranai: That reminds me, I had some queries lying around to find potential issues in staff entries, here goes.

Unlinked staff entries: link (102)
Unlinked aliasses: link (260)
Unlinked primary names: link (366)

The latter is probably the most interesting in this discussion.

I remember bringing this real-name topic up before, and I just found it: t6138.90. It wasn't as conclusive as I remember it, so I can imagine the current confusion. I'm still of the opinion that real names aren't very relevant if not credited, but I'll concede if the concensus goes the other way.Last modified on 2016-07-02 at 09:46
#12 by beliar
2016-07-02 at 09:54
Now, that reminds me, I have found an annoying bug regarding names and aliases. If you try to add a name to the VN staff/cast, write a partial name into the field and then click the correct entry, the DB seems to default to the alias that is first alphabetically.
For example, let's take No One But You into account. If you try to add Rachel Marks (s315), write Rachel and then click Rachel Marks, it defaults to Rachel C. D. Marks, because goes alphabetically prior to it. You need to write the full name to actually add it.
The same goes with Sean Patrick Thurlow. In Brett Matthew Martin the name seems to default to Brett Martin, even if you click Brett Matthew Martin (again, alphabetically primary).
I have noticed this behaviour with a lot of games and it gets seriously annoying to realise that the game defaulted to different aliases after you press submit.
#13 by yorhel
2016-07-02 at 12:41
@beliar: Should be fixed now (and hopefully I didn't break anything else).
#14 by jazz957
2017-02-05 at 17:49
So uhh... how should we handle this? M.S was edited by u126678 who bears a suspiciously similar name.
#15 by beliar
2017-02-05 at 21:18
Hmm. I think we have two points to consider here:
1) If the user 'ms' is actually Shiranaga Masaya or just impersonating him, though I don't think it's likely, as he isn't editing or defacing any other entries.
2) If he is actually Shiranaga Masaya, then where did Nutella get his name when originally adding this entry? If she easily found it on the internet, without scouring obscure deepnet pages or sacrificing black goats to Shub Niggurath, then there is no reason to hide or remove it and 'ms' has no claim to anonymity. On the other hand, if the name is not widely available to the public, than we might grant him that privilege.

After all, there is a precedent. Once upon a time Hanako (s140) personally asked me to remove her real name from the DB and I obliged.
#16 by sanahtlig
2017-02-05 at 21:26
This is pretty simple. If the creator in question has a preference, then it should be respected.

If you want to verify, just ask the user to verify their identity on a known account like Twitter.
#17 by sanahtlig
2017-02-05 at 22:42
I contacted M.S on Twitter. M.S requested (via DM) to not be registered under a real name in this database. I present this as proof that an interaction occurred between the two of us.Last modified on 2017-02-05 at 22:44
#18 by jazz957
2017-02-05 at 23:05
Looks like he removed it on VGMdb too. Also today, in fact.

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