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#1 by prodyzer
2016-08-02 at 07:50
< report >One of the top hype among this month's releases.
I've just completed all the routes and felt something amiss. 'Stagnant' is what I would best describe this VN in a single word. While I won't complain the story plot for being mediocre/forced since it's the usual Yuzusoft's VN, I feel there is a lack of effort by the writer to make the dialogue at least interesting. Donkan protagonist is also a terrible trait for an iyashii-kei charage, which forced me to ctrl skip sometimes as I couldn't withstand my frustration on protag's stupidity. I also don't find all the heroines equally loveable but I guess that's normal.

A slow but sure decline in quality over the past few Yuzusoft titles. That being said, the game still manage to keep my interest at least 50-60% of the time. The oriental Japanese backgrounds CG and soundtracks (by famishin) are the only few things that I feel worth praising about. Overall is mediocre, but well... still better than most of the shitty releases recently.

Fav routes:
Yoshino > Mako > Murasame > Lena & 2 Side charactersLast modified on 2016-08-03 at 01:04
#2 by vnerogereview
2016-08-09 at 01:13
< report >For the most part, I share the same opinions. The game itself was pretty dull and even the battle scenes which were supposed to be exciting were just meh.

Transitioning was something I found to be largely awkward in this game, since as a "galge" advertised as a romance adventure, the amount of romantic transitioning was just painfully pitiful. I often wish companies would just take out the romance and H-scenes, and actually see an increase in people who buy their games because those things are sometimes ruining the story.

Though as with your post, the lack of "spice" I guess if you will within the dialogue was the worst part. It was just so bland after having played most of Yuzusoft's games and seeing almost the same pattern over and over again. Not surprisingly, once I got into the route enough, I was able to "see" how the route would end, and that's really not a good thing. If your readers can see how a story ends, why would they even bother continuing to read it?

The only thing that went good with this game was that unlike other titles involving "fantasy" elements, the game did a decent job keeping the Tatarigami/Yorishiro/otherwise fantasy elements afloat throughout the entire game (well, for the 4 main heroines at least). On the contrary, games like Sanoba Witch literally threw the "witches" element out the window until the very end when they brought it back for the climax of the route. Though one bad thing about these fantasy elements in both games was that it was pretty convenient

I'm actually in disagreement with your route preferences.

Lena > Murasame > Mako > Yoshino > Koharu/Roka

Because Lena's route is more complete in the sense her route explains a lot of things (what it explains is a spoiler; duh) and can even be a standalone route (i.e. a player can read Lena's route and make a very good prediction of what happens in other routes). It almost seems as if all the other routes connect to Lena's route.

On the other hand, CHARACTER-wise

Murasame >>>>>>> Lena = Mako = Yoshino > Koharu/Roka

Not because I'm a creepy pedophile, but because Murasame is the only character in the entire game who at least has a decent development with Masaomi. Other characters literally took one scene to look at Masaomi as a "異性" (Sorry, I have no idea how to translate that word properly).Last modified on 2016-08-09 at 01:14
#3 by prodyzer
2016-08-11 at 12:24
< report >@2
Perhaps the reason that Lena was the least enjoyable for me is that I played her last. Also, I just couldn't stand how forced the makers try to make gags out of her eccentric japanese as a foreigner. (Tatamigami? seriously?!)

Anyway, it's time to move on.
PS> 異性 = opposite gender/sex?
#4 by vnerogereview
2016-08-13 at 04:20
< report >@3,

Fair enough. "Incorrect usage of Japanese and/or Idioms" is a more poorer attempt at humor, and I can definitely see how that got annoying for you.

異性 is directly translated into "Opposite Gender/Sex", but in East Asian cultures it does have that implication of being attracted to said individual and having romantic affection for them.

As an example, as a guy, I can see "Girl A" as an opposite gender, but not be attracted to them. In that sense, I wouldn't see them as a "異性", but more "女性"
#5 by kiru
2016-08-13 at 09:59
< report >Just chiming in to say: Yuzusoft better stops with "story". It was fine in common, but everything else was at best just bad. At worst... really utterly terrible. It's quite interesting how they managed to make Murasame's route so utterly bad even though the girl is one of the most likable heroines. Didn't read Rena, because I'm quite honestly done with this game.. but I doubt that would change anything.

Even aside of that this game has issues (some of the tropes are just... god no), but with the utter crap "plot" elements it's not even a good moege anymore. Ouch. Just ouch. It wasn't nearly as bad in Sanoba Witch. What the heck happened? Then again I only read Meguru, but that was mostly because the route was so utterly satisfying. Closest to that would be Mako in this game. I'd even say she's more likable than Meguru. The route still is A LOT worse... feels like a shadow of Meguru's route to be honest. No pun intended, her being a Ninja is no excuse. :X
#6 by aggressor
2016-08-31 at 10:02
< report >Just finished Murasame route and what I could see was the usual Yuzusoft issue: pretty good common route (for a moege of course) and much worse individual route. It was too long for its own good and too diluted with unrelated stuff like school, (stupid) friends and uninteresting events. I think it could be better if they just concentrated on icha-icha and made the heroines' personality a bit more deep and interesting. Also H-scenes were pretty bad this time.
I'm going to try reading Mako and Yoshino now, but I doubt my opinion on the game will change to the better. Well, the art is still great, so let's focus on it :)
#7 by kazesakuya
2016-12-11 at 07:32
< report >Mako>>>>any character!
#8 by snoosnoo
2017-01-12 at 12:54
< report >I vomited a bit in my mouth. Meguru route was utterly satisfying? You mean the one with a nonsensical crystal heart ending, where the major conflict was resolved with the bird girl explaining in only a few lines to the plot-specific important character who doesn't even get a tachi-e and then BAM problem solved. THAT Meguru route?

I also like how you judge the whole game from the shittiest route. I'm gonna go lie down a bit now.
#9 by lianliu
2017-02-07 at 13:26
#10 by aprilia1k
2020-02-14 at 22:22
< report >I agree with much of the sentiment of OP and #2, etc.., regarding the quality, and especially with regard to the extremely frustrating MC. HOWEVER...

#2 - "I often wish companies would just take out the romance and H-scenes, and actually see an increase in people who buy their games because those things are sometimes ruining the story."

I strongly disagree with the assertion that removing romance and H content would result in increased sales. I do not wish to offend, but confess that I've the urge to tease a bit over this proposal.

I do agree, and in fact think it is certain that poorly executed elements, both in character interactions i.e. "romance" as well as clumsy or inappropriate ecchi scenes can greatly detract from the VN experience - but to suggest just forgoing these elements will result in increased sales... ? Cannot disagree strongly enough.

These are eroge... and this title, in particular, is rom-centric. I really doubt that abandoning the ero and romance would result in a better-selling product Even with the agreed-upon issues, this VN is holding a 7.69 with over 300 ratings. It will be interesting to see how the English TL is received.

Again - I mean no offense man, and in fact I agree with most of your observations - just feel that the boy-girl thing, the pursuit of the idealized Heroine route(s), are essential to such visual novels :-)Last modified on 2020-02-15 at 16:14
#11 by bigriend
2020-02-17 at 00:12
< report >Common route was indeed quite good but none of the routes struck me as particularly memorable, sadly. Well, at least I enjoyed the art and music.

Gotta agree with OP on heroines tho : Yoshino > the rest.Last modified on 2020-02-17 at 00:19
#12 by renaxan
2020-02-17 at 04:09
< report >i think this vn bit worse than his predecessor, only the music aspect is better. art stay same as expected from yuzusoft game.

story doesnt really keep me interested enough even in common route, and individual route even more bored me as the plot could be more intruiging. yuzusoft storyline become so predictable and the action aspect just utterly bad.

I'm only done 3 route (mako, lena, yoshino) and murasame keep me on bay because i just cant see her as heroine lol. I have no preference for heroine, but if i must choose then i will choose mako just because i like her hairstyle and her act feel so girlish (?) but.. her route including possesing stuff cringe and turn me off lol

Overall just decent eroge, not great but not bad. Its just bit worse than sanoba witch (since atleast in that game i have favorite heroine) and not even any close as good as dracuriot especially in action. I just hope riddle joker would do better later.
#13 by ferustachi
2020-02-18 at 02:48
< report >Overall I liked the art and soundtrack and liked the common, Yoshino and Murasame routes. But minus occasional moments that got a chuckle out of me or that I liked in particular I don't really desire to go back and read it again like I did with Dracu-Riot or Noble Works.

Though I will agree with @2 about Lena's route at least in part. I think reading it is important for understanding part of Mako's route but not as much for Murasame, Yoshino, and the childhood friends.

Personal opinion on the routes:
Yoshino > Murasame > Lena > Mako > Childhood friends
#14 by uchihaitachi
2020-02-19 at 15:32
< report >Best routes from my personal opinions :
Best Girls :
Of course, Mako. Second is Murasame. and then Yoshino and another heroine.
Best Couple for me in the route :
Mako x Masaomi (Protagonist)Last modified on 2020-02-19 at 15:34
#15 by taiketsu
2020-02-25 at 11:26
< report >Overall i rly liked the game, as any other yuzusoft game i read so far, but here and there could have been some improvement or better explaination on certain aspects.
But if i had to choose best route for me Yoshino for sure followed by Aya-chan <3
the music was top notch and loved each song. Cant wait for Riddle Joker release by Nekonyan hoping it will be just as good.
#16 by forever-here
2020-02-27 at 07:31
< report >currently on 1-3 and I'm finding this title to be very bad already. the MC is a goddamn simp and a blue-pilled cuck that easily gets swayed by the "pity talk" coming from Yoshino's dad, Murasame and Mako. so you're going to man up and save the muh ladies in distress despite receiving nothing in return? gotta say though, the pity talk can be effective for some stereotypical lonely hikki guys. the MC even admits it himself: if Yoshino was less likable he can easily turn a blind eye. I'd take that a step further and say if Yoshino is an old hag he'll likely to instantly run away.

and seeing the comments here, I should just drop this while I'm still early.
#17 by muffle
2020-03-17 at 21:11
< report >not as bad as people say it is but i fairly enjoyed it. it deserves its rewards in japan

@16 yikes man getting a bit personal eh?Last modified on 2020-03-17 at 21:12
#18 by creedhood
2020-04-21 at 09:25
< report >It seems I should let Murasame's route last; Lena's path explains a lot about everything else.

Should I follow the next order to make sure I enjoy at the fullest each route without getting spoiled??

Yoshino > Mako > Lena > sub-heroines > Murasame
#19 by diabloryuzaki
2020-04-21 at 09:48
< report >^
mako/murasame > murasame/mako > yoshino > lena <- if you want long read time
yoshino > lena <- if you want short read time
sub heroine is optional and only read it if you have solved the mystery in it or sub heroine is your first priority
#20 by creedhood
2020-04-21 at 17:39
< report >^
I see, thanks for the reply.
I think I am going to read Yoshino > Mako > subs (if I have the time and effort. Probably I will skip it) > Murasame > Lena
#21 by tremmy
2020-04-21 at 18:54
< report >I did Yoshino and Murasames route and just decided to call it quits there. Easily the most boring Yuzu title I've played. I'm not sure if I just didn't like the setting or what, but this one just didn't click with me like some of their other titles did.
#22 by silentrzk
2020-05-31 at 19:17
< report >Just finished playing the game, although I haven't played their After Stories but that can be dealt with soon.

Route Preference: Lena >= Yoshino >= Murasame > Mako
Heroine Preference: Roka >= Yoshino > Lena > Mako > Murasame > Koharu

So yeah, I goddamn wish Roka is one of the main heroines and not just a side heroine.

As for the game itself, I agree that this game is underwhelming compare to other Yuzusoft games that I've played. The OSTs, especially Tooryanse and the OP song, are just good and really catchy for me. But the story... it really feels like a waste of time to be honest. Besides, Masaomi's level of simp is just annoyingly high, which it slowly kills me. I know on these types of VNs, a simp MC is unavoidable but Masaomi's simpness is just unbearable for me, especially on Mako's route.

As for the routes/heroines. Unfortunately, there's no route that I could call it as my favorite route... Lena's route is my highest ranking because it really feels like a "proper route" to me. The story's dilemma and the love story are both balanced and Lena's character is stable/not going out of character unlike Yoshino and especially Mako on their own routes. On Yoshino's route, this route was ALMOST my favorite route until it turned into Sanoba Witch's Meguru's route 2.0 but thankfully it's shorter and the fact her character just get cringy when the topic is about sex. It really felt like her character was violated by this game because it's "eroge" but it's inevitable because it's Yuzusoft. Then again, I love Yoshino's character before her character getting "violated", she's really like Sanoba Witch's Ayachi to me. On Murasame's route, to be honest, this is also one of the proper routes too but the story's conclusion is just very predictable. Although, despite Murasame is my least favorite heroine(Excluding Koharu), I really like Murasame's character development. Like, I'm really just amazed how her character really developed unlike other hereoines. And last, oh boy, Mako's route... The trainwreck instantly happened when the possession happened and what the hell happened to her character? As I was reading her route, I thought I entered a wrong heroine route because Mako's character just went 360 degrees. I don't know if it's just me but she's really out-of-character of her own damn route. I believe there are better ways to make her character retain somehow while love is the subject. I really thought she will think maturely or indifferent then getting slowly attached to the emotion. I know she would get curious but I totally didn't expect she would overreact.

Anyway, that's my take on this visual novel. Once again, I really wished Roka is one of the main heroines...Last modified on 2020-05-31 at 19:23
#23 by mrkew
2020-05-31 at 19:36
< report >
this route was ALMOST my favorite route until it turned into Sanoba Witch's Meguru's route 2.0
Considering Meguru's route is 10/10, and best out of the hundreds of moege routes I've read, I will take that as praise.
#24 by cmrevolution
2020-06-03 at 06:49
< report >It's almost amazing how a fantasy story with action elements can be this dull. Also, most of the heroines became terrible once you enter their routes. I personally liked Mako in the common route, she might've even been my favorite heroine if she were the same person in her own route. Lena was probably the most consistent heroine. The biggest letdowns were definitely Yoshino's and Murasame's routes, which were supposed to be kind of central storywise. The big revelation in Murasame's route was particularly hilarious, and I doubt that they could've handled the resolution to her route any worse.

Overall, I'd say the lead-in and common routes were ok, but in the end they were like embellished teasers.
#25 by halcyonparade
2020-07-30 at 01:33
< report >Not the best story out there, and yes the action elements were indeed very dull. But I still really enjoyed my experience considering how very well made everything is. The art is PERFECT, the pacing is just right, the H-scenes are frankly amazing, and it is chock full of great customization options and quality of life improvements over other VNs. Senren Banka was just a pleasant experience in general, if not superior.

Murasame - best ending
Mako - best waifu
Yoshino - best 1st gf
Lena - best H-scenes