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#1 by aspple2
2016-08-29 at 07:23
< report >So anyone else got some serious NTR vibes from the infamous tentacle rape scene? So much that when it was revealed that information was being leaked to the BETA via Sumika, I got a hard-on cuz I almost seriously consider the possibility that she was doing it on purpose to please her dick-masters (and if this was a Nukige, that would totally be the case).

The way how she completely didn't care about Takeru anymore because the dicking the BETA were giving her was just too good, despite the fact that he was eaten alive by them right in front of her, is pretty much NTR 101.

It almost made me want to cheer for Meiya but then I remember how utterly pointless the other heroines are in Alternative. Even Meiya and her sister's little side-story was just a boring distraction that would had change almost nothing even if it was left out.
Last modified on 2016-08-29 at 07:24
#2 by playcool92
2018-03-11 at 13:03
< report >Lol, I applaud your courage to admit it yourself...
I dont agree with you both about that scene, since I m lazy for spoilers, I will only say this, it was arousing as hell, yet it was soo shocking and disturbing, honestly recalling my memories, this scene was playing at 6 am after another normal MLA marathon, and I was left speechless, couldnt move, my mind went blank of the shock.
Unlike many fans I give praise for this bold move from "R"AGE, it is a really ugly side of our human nature, from our animalistic core desires, and just something soo twisted and fucked up, that almost no one really has the balls to touch upon.
Yet they did, and it was just one of the many mindfucks the series delivers brilliantly.

After this scene, I have no shame in admiting I actually fapped to it (after I was left speechless, had to replay it again, since I m a sucker for that "genre"), and left a real bad sour taste (more than any NTR I have ever seen), and this was not the only time I did it, and it always feels that bad, but the temptation before... as matter of desires go we are very weak and frail beings in resisting temptation, and that scene just proves it all the more. WE ARE WEAK, it is not that hard to crush, most of the human spirit if you have the right tools for the job (hikes).
You can see that scene also as an invitation to tease some of the most twisted minds (myself included), only to them make you feel even worst, and that actually works wonders in connecting with the cast more for that scene and what is to come.Last modified on 2018-03-11 at 13:09
#3 by dznts1942
2018-06-24 at 18:56
< report >wat
#4 by sjh123
2018-08-31 at 01:40
< report >I think its explained that the alien was trying to find the best way to make her feel good so she couldn't help reacting in that way, probably had a huge mindbreak and couldn't even focus on what was going on around her anymore. Seeing it as NTR is kind of silly lol. Those "dickmasters" are murderous monsters and only see humanity as something to be plaeyd with.
#5 by anonymous
2018-08-31 at 02:05
< report >#4 So...how is that any different from your average NTR game?
#6 by clorust
2018-10-18 at 20:35
< report >To be fair Sumika did warn you in advance the scene she was going to show you was fucked up.
I mean it might appeal to NTR lovers but it really didn't to me, though I assume that was the point. Wasn't too broken up about it either way since Kasumi was my favourite "heroine" of the bunch.
#7 by nightwish2
2019-06-25 at 02:13
< report >I can't imagine watching that scene after 100+ hours with these characters and feel something so shallow. Like I don't like when a visual novel drop an NTR bomb with no warning but the depth of that scene makes it transcend sex. It's not only disturbing but soul crushing.
It amazes me that anyone would bring "NTR" as the disturbing part of that scene.

Well, that's just me. Won't judge others too much, people are different. I just get engaged with the characters when I watch them for so long. That scene literally made me sick. And it is one of the many that make muv-luv an 11 out of 10, a perfect work of art.
#8 by sakurakoi
2019-06-25 at 04:13
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a perfect work of art.
ya mean post-postmodern piece of art?

Yeah, this age is not a golden one if this is is pinnacle of NTR which at the very best got you emotionally invested, through time and then comes with not just a surreal scene but not even a remotely authentic one. #2 is pretty much deluding themselves into finding meaning where there is neigh and is well on the way to become an "accidental" rapist... or rape victim.

"The D was just that good, she couldn't help but get addicted!" thanks for proving oh-so-many corruption works right, especially those instant ones in contrary to those incompetents who actually require a lot of time and proper dialogue to convince their subject to disregard their morals.

Females have the bad habit of not liking the D when they just don't like it and with "not like" I mean utter hate. There is a reason why RL aphrodisiacs for females are utterly dangerous when just somewhat effective, if they are at all. I.e aphrodisiacs actually increasing libido, not returning it to normal (like the case for men with ED or menopausal women). And no, lube is not a cure-all.

Sometimes I wonder why meanwhile many young ones are disgusted with soap-operas (must be the stigma~) when in fact this is basically one, just with sci-fi which opens up even more possibilities:

If we want to blend an actor back into a show, there's always a way. You can generally find a way to twist and manipulate something. You rarely see a dead body, but hey, even if you do, he or she can always come back to play the evil identical twin.
– Marlena Laird in 1992, during her time as a line producer and director for General Hospital
#9 by anonymous
2019-06-25 at 08:51
< report >Darn. It's a good thing I don't mind spoilers. I've had this on my wishlist with little research into it but I think I'll remove it now. If I read through all this only to get a scene like that, I would've burst into flames. I hate shock for the sake of shock.

This whole hipster approach towards creative writing that's been the craze as of late is a byproduct of a lack of awareness of hedonic adaptation. How long before children's stories end in the kid getting hit by a truck or something? Oh wait, nvm. So many end that way that it became its own trope; link XD

And as #8 alluded with the soap opera double standard, most "original" tropes are just recycled ideas that faded from modern collective memory. If you really want to get the most enjoyment out of VNs or even just life in general, developing a sense of gratitude is essential imo. You don't need the latest trends or cheap tricks. The novelty will just fade over time and you will be found wanting again. At least in my case.

lol And #2 are you ok? You didn't happen to eat the marshmallow did you? They promised a 2nd one!Last modified on 2019-06-25 at 08:52
#10 by funnerific
2019-06-25 at 09:30
< report >#9 well to be fair even as bad as that scene was it doesn't necessarily kill the whole game, I have a ton of criticism for it but in the end I still quite like the game because of the really good atmosphere
#11 by warfoki
2019-06-25 at 09:47
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How long before children's stories end in the kid getting hit by a truck or something?

I mean, a lot of what we are considering "children stories" today originated from the Grimm brothers and originally had depressing as fuck endings and tragedies all around.

Also, maybe it's just my local folklore, but my mother read up fairy tales when I was little, that got published in these large books with a lot of pictures specifically for children, and those stories had an awful lot of murder, kidnapping and torture in them now that I think about it. So, it's not really that new.

I'm normally very averse of spoilers, but since I kinda-sorta got spoiled on the ending, I just don't care about ever reading this shit, so meh. This thread is just yet another reason added to the pile of others for avoiding this supposedly masterpiece of a VN like the plague.Last modified on 2019-06-25 at 09:54
#12 by sakurakoi
2019-06-25 at 11:05
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originated from the Grimm brothers
what about Hans Christian Andersen? :(

Seriously though:
those stories had an awful lot of murder, kidnapping and torture in them now that I think about it. So, it's not really that new
I recommend you to not revisit Ranma 1/2 when incidentally you grew up with it for as much as I loved it I do hate it now precisely because of the felonies being attempted if not even committed. Never even mind the utterly unreasonable domestic violence.

This thread is just yet another reason added to the pile of others for avoiding this supposedly masterpiece of a VN like the plague.
Sure thing, I'm meanwhile waiting for some point to arrive someday which is actually convincing, a solid argument, the synopsis of a scene with context which as cheese (not -y) does not have more holes than cheese. I prefer Gouda over Emmentaler (real one thanks to my location). Mellow over overbearing~

P.S. No offense meant to strong cheese lovers, in contrary to something as simple&objective as (physical) taste and it rarely being forced upon others anyway, other taste is (in sly ways especially) and more often called silly things like "thinking man's fetish" or masterpieces that anyone must have read (a vicious upwards cycle which warps standards).
#13 by nyarly
2019-06-25 at 11:35
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I recommend you to not revisit Ranma 1/2 when incidentally you grew up with it for as much as I loved it I do hate it now precisely because of the felonies being attempted if not even committed. Never even mind the utterly unreasonable domestic violence.
You really shouldn't project your character onto others. I for one have no issue with Ranma 1/2, even if some things about it are pretty antiquated nowadays. There's a type of comedy, not that uncommon, that's all about awful people doing awful things to other awful people, which Ranma 1/2 largely falls into. Just because you're offended by that now doesn't mean that others have to be too.
#14 by warfoki
2019-06-25 at 11:48
< report >Well, yeah, violence played for laughs was also fairly common. Never watched Ranma, but Tom & Jerry was one of my favorite cartoons as a kid.

Although in my case fairy tales were of the medieval fantasy variety. Like one that I can remember was titled "Világszép Nádszál Kisasszony" which would translate to something like "The Beautiful Reed Lady". It was about how some three beautiful princess-sisters got kidnapped and transformed into reed straws by an evil witch. Our dashing hero comes to the rescue and gets told by a wise old sage (those are almost always wrinkled old poor women in these stories) how to turn them back, but also warned that have water for them ready nearby or they will die a terrible death. After some shenanigans the guy gets all three transformed ladies back and start to ride back to the king's castle to be the hero and get married to a princess for his heroic deed. (I remember him killing the evil witch in some gruesome way, but can't remember the exact details.) Except he is too impatient (an euphemism for being too horny) and decides to transform one of the girls back, despite not having water around. Sure enough, she gets back her human form, begs for water, hero has none to give, dies of thirst, hero buries her. Hero is very sad and all that... until a week or so later he does the same fucking thing with the second sister. He somehow manages to hold back with the third one, so he actually transforms her back to human fond near a clean fishing pond, proper saves her, then they get married and live happily ever after, like a hero deserves. Never mind that he killed her two siblings because he was a dumbass, nobody gives a shit. And again, this was a children's tale with covers and illustrations like this. I only realized decades later just how fucked most of the children's tales I grew up with were.

On another note I fully admit that your cheese allegory when right over my head, made a U-turn and came back just to confuse me even more.Last modified on 2019-06-25 at 11:50
#15 by futonlord
2019-09-09 at 06:21
< report >I think I'd have preferred a guro scene over a rape scene.... why the fuck did they make it rape instead of dissection? For shock value, gore is plenty.
#16 by surferdude
2019-09-09 at 13:33
< report >^ The Master Beta wanted raep. :P
#17 by behappyeveryday
2019-09-17 at 10:56
< report >You guys.. the point of this novel is making you feel sad and sick and raged. Why did no one complain about all those DEATHS and suffering and all crazy shit? No, girl being brainwashed into pleasure is much worse from your point of view? It always was the case that the highest-rated works of fiction are those that make you feel negative emotions, not positive ones. It is the same for top 50 of vndb and top 50 of imdb.Last modified on 2019-09-17 at 10:58
#18 by neil
2020-02-08 at 02:06
< report >"I was just pretending to be retarded!"
MLA is probably the most overhyped piece of dog shit on the planet because it has droves of mindbroken cucks taking it in the ass and saying that that's supposed to happen and loving it. When it smells like dog shit and tastes like dog shit, it's dog shit.
#19 by kratoscar2008
2020-02-08 at 05:22
< report >I prefer an heroine to die than get raped. Is the same way that most VNs usually leaves the girls to die alone as cat ladies than get with someone else if the MC doesnt choose them as it would bother most readers (Read everyone but cuck westerners who prefer stuff like non-virgin heroines or have other males to compete for "realism").
#20 by zakashi
2020-02-08 at 05:57
< report >#19 anooo, most VNs i know don't show the other heroines' future when the protagonist hooks up with someone, even the girl you choose don't have a long epilogue, why would the game bother with the others? sometimes, when you're already stuck to a route, the game forgets the existence of the others almost completely, so i don't see the reason to assume that they stay single until death.
A thing that i already saw happening, is that when the protagonist doesn't choose an heroine, that heroine tells him that if he is not going to marry her, no one else will, making a vow of chastity for the rest of her life.
#21 by kratoscar2008
2020-02-08 at 07:38
< report >#20
Well that still leaves the girls with no indication of ever hooking up even when there are other males like the protag's friend.
Its funny in games where all the heroines show affection for MC before choosing the route as they will be left wity broken hearts but I prefer that to them finding happiness elsewhere.
#22 by zakashi
2020-02-08 at 12:47
< report >#21 Yeah, in most part of the cases, this is true, but then "the game doesn't show the others dating someone else in order to not bother some readers" would be a more accurate statement for what you're trying to say, and yeah NTR is some messed up stuff, it just makes me angry and depressed, if there will be NTR then there better be the girl regretting what she did and properly apologize to the protagonist.
In MLA Sumika did this but i didn't count that shit as NTR, when i was reading i interpreted that as she being poisoned by some supernatural aphrodisiac that was just too hard to resist, but she loved takeru so much that she apologized even with she being the victim, and come on those guys are just a bunch of tentacles, it's way too bizarre for me to even care about the "NTR" part.Last modified on 2020-02-08 at 22:49
#23 by neil
2020-02-08 at 22:06
< report >You get the hint of NTR because S00mika keeps crying that she stopped caring about Takeru. And with the way the writer wrote everything else, I strongly suspect this was meant to be NTR-ish.Last modified on 2020-02-08 at 22:07
#24 by behappyeveryday
2020-02-09 at 06:49
< report >@22 I can imagine that for some incels the fact that their 2-D waifu was raped by tentacles make her "impure trash", so this is why instead of feeling sorry for her and feeling hate for aliens they consider it NTR that breaks their enjoymen of the game.
#25 by kratoscar2008
2020-02-09 at 06:51
< report >#24
That username is very ironic.
Why would you complain about incels in the site about the incel medium?