|#1 by aspple2|
2016-08-29 at 07:23
|So anyone else got some serious NTR vibes from the infamous tentacle rape scene? So much that when it was revealed that information was being leaked to the BETA via Sumika, I got a hard-on cuz I almost seriously consider the possibility that she was doing it on purpose to please her dick-masters (and if this was a Nukige, that would totally be the case).|
The way how she completely didn't care about Takeru anymore because the dicking the BETA were giving her was just too good, despite the fact that he was eaten alive by them right in front of her, is pretty much NTR 101.
It almost made me want to cheer for Meiya but then I remember how utterly pointless the other heroines are in Alternative. Even Meiya and her sister's little side-story was just a boring distraction that would had change almost nothing even if it was left out.[spoiler]Last modified on 2016-08-29 at 07:24
|#2 by playcool92|
2018-03-11 at 13:03
|Lol, I applaud your courage to admit it yourself...|
I dont agree with you both about that scene, since I m lazy for spoilers, I will only say this, it was arousing as hell, yet it was soo shocking and disturbing, honestly recalling my memories, this scene was playing at 6 am after another normal MLA marathon, and I was left speechless, couldnt move, my mind went blank of the shock.
Unlike many fans I give praise for this bold move from "R"AGE, it is a really ugly side of our human nature, from our animalistic core desires, and just something soo twisted and fucked up, that almost no one really has the balls to touch upon.
Yet they did, and it was just one of the many mindfucks the series delivers brilliantly.
After this scene, I have no shame in admiting I actually fapped to it (after I was left speechless, had to replay it again, since I m a sucker for that "genre"), and left a real bad sour taste (more than any NTR I have ever seen), and this was not the only time I did it, and it always feels that bad, but the temptation before... as matter of desires go we are very weak and frail beings in resisting temptation, and that scene just proves it all the more. WE ARE WEAK, it is not that hard to crush, most of the human spirit if you have the right tools for the job (hikes).
You can see that scene also as an invitation to tease some of the most twisted minds (myself included), only to them make you feel even worst, and that actually works wonders in connecting with the cast more for that scene and what is to come.Last modified on 2018-03-11 at 13:09
|#3 by dznts1942|
2018-06-24 at 18:56
|#4 by sjh123|
2018-08-31 at 01:40
|I think its explained that the alien was trying to find the best way to make her feel good so she couldn't help reacting in that way, probably had a huge mindbreak and couldn't even focus on what was going on around her anymore. Seeing it as NTR is kind of silly lol. Those "dickmasters" are murderous monsters and only see humanity as something to be plaeyd with.|
|#5 by [deleted]|
2018-08-31 at 02:05
|#4 So...how is that any different from your average NTR game?|
|#6 by clorust|
2018-10-18 at 20:35
|To be fair Sumika did warn you in advance the scene she was going to show you was fucked up.|
I mean it might appeal to NTR lovers but it really didn't to me, though I assume that was the point. Wasn't too broken up about it either way since Kasumi was my favourite "heroine" of the bunch.
|#7 by nightwish2|
2019-06-25 at 02:13
|I can't imagine watching that scene after 100+ hours with these characters and feel something so shallow. Like I don't like when a visual novel drop an NTR bomb with no warning but the depth of that scene makes it transcend sex. It's not only disturbing but soul crushing. |
It amazes me that anyone would bring "NTR" as the disturbing part of that scene.
Well, that's just me. Won't judge others too much, people are different. I just get engaged with the characters when I watch them for so long. That scene literally made me sick. And it is one of the many that make muv-luv an 11 out of 10, a perfect work of art.
|#8 by sakurakoi|
2019-06-25 at 04:13
a perfect work of art.ya mean post-postmodern piece of art?
Yeah, this age is not a golden one if this is is pinnacle of NTR which at the very best got you emotionally invested, through time and then comes with not just a surreal scene but not even a remotely authentic one. #2 is pretty much deluding themselves into finding meaning where there is neigh and is well on the way to become an "accidental" rapist... or rape victim.
"The D was just that good, she couldn't help but get addicted!" thanks for proving oh-so-many corruption works right, especially those instant ones in contrary to those incompetents who actually require a lot of time and proper dialogue to convince their subject to disregard their morals.
Females have the bad habit of not liking the D when they just don't like it and with "not like" I mean utter hate. There is a reason why RL aphrodisiacs for females are utterly dangerous when just somewhat effective, if they are at all. I.e aphrodisiacs actually increasing libido, not returning it to normal (like the case for men with ED or menopausal women). And no, lube is not a cure-all.
Sometimes I wonder why meanwhile many young ones are disgusted with soap-operas (must be the stigma~) when in fact this is basically one, just with sci-fi which opens up even more possibilities:
If we want to blend an actor back into a show, there's always a way. You can generally find a way to twist and manipulate something. You rarely see a dead body, but hey, even if you do, he or she can always come back to play the evil identical twin.– Marlena Laird in 1992, during her time as a line producer and director for General Hospital
|#9 by [deleted]|
2019-06-25 at 08:51
|Darn. It's a good thing I don't mind spoilers. I've had this on my wishlist with little research into it but I think I'll remove it now. If I read through all this only to get a scene like that, I would've burst into flames. I hate shock for the sake of shock.|
This whole hipster approach towards creative writing that's been the craze as of late is a byproduct of a lack of awareness of hedonic adaptation. How long before children's stories end in the kid getting hit by a truck or something? Oh wait, nvm. So many end that way that it became its own trope; link XD
And as #8 alluded with the soap opera double standard, most "original" tropes are just recycled ideas that faded from modern collective memory. If you really want to get the most enjoyment out of VNs or even just life in general, developing a sense of gratitude is essential imo. You don't need the latest trends or cheap tricks. The novelty will just fade over time and you will be found wanting again. At least in my case.
lol And #2 are you ok? You didn't happen to eat the marshmallow did you? They promised a 2nd one!Last modified on 2019-06-25 at 08:52
|#10 by funnerific|
2019-06-25 at 09:30
|#9 well to be fair even as bad as that scene was it doesn't necessarily kill the whole game, I have a ton of criticism for it but in the end I still quite like the game because of the really good atmosphere|
|#11 by warfoki|
2019-06-25 at 09:47
How long before children's stories end in the kid getting hit by a truck or something?
I mean, a lot of what we are considering "children stories" today originated from the Grimm brothers and originally had depressing as fuck endings and tragedies all around.
Also, maybe it's just my local folklore, but my mother read up fairy tales when I was little, that got published in these large books with a lot of pictures specifically for children, and those stories had an awful lot of murder, kidnapping and torture in them now that I think about it. So, it's not really that new.
I'm normally very averse of spoilers, but since I kinda-sorta got spoiled on the ending, I just don't care about ever reading this shit, so meh. This thread is just yet another reason added to the pile of others for avoiding this supposedly masterpiece of a VN like the plague.Last modified on 2019-06-25 at 09:54
|#12 by sakurakoi|
2019-06-25 at 11:05
originated from the Grimm brotherswhat about Hans Christian Andersen? :(
those stories had an awful lot of murder, kidnapping and torture in them now that I think about it. So, it's not really that newI recommend you to not revisit Ranma 1/2 when incidentally you grew up with it for as much as I loved it I do hate it now precisely because of the felonies being attempted if not even committed. Never even mind the utterly unreasonable domestic violence.
This thread is just yet another reason added to the pile of others for avoiding this supposedly masterpiece of a VN like the plague.Sure thing, I'm meanwhile waiting for some point to arrive someday which is actually convincing, a solid argument, the synopsis of a scene with context which as cheese (not -y) does not have more holes than cheese. I prefer Gouda over Emmentaler (real one thanks to my location). Mellow over overbearing~
P.S. No offense meant to strong cheese lovers, in contrary to something as simple&objective as (physical) taste and it rarely being forced upon others anyway, other taste is (in sly ways especially) and more often called silly things like "thinking man's fetish" or masterpieces that anyone must have read (a vicious upwards cycle which warps standards).
|#13 by nyarly|
2019-06-25 at 11:35
I recommend you to not revisit Ranma 1/2 when incidentally you grew up with it for as much as I loved it I do hate it now precisely because of the felonies being attempted if not even committed. Never even mind the utterly unreasonable domestic violence.You really shouldn't project your character onto others. I for one have no issue with Ranma 1/2, even if some things about it are pretty antiquated nowadays. There's a type of comedy, not that uncommon, that's all about awful people doing awful things to other awful people, which Ranma 1/2 largely falls into. Just because you're offended by that now doesn't mean that others have to be too.
|#14 by warfoki|
2019-06-25 at 11:48
|Well, yeah, violence played for laughs was also fairly common. Never watched Ranma, but Tom & Jerry was one of my favorite cartoons as a kid.|
Although in my case fairy tales were of the medieval fantasy variety. Like one that I can remember was titled "Világszép Nádszál Kisasszony" which would translate to something like "The Beautiful Reed Lady". It was about how some three beautiful princess-sisters got kidnapped and transformed into reed straws by an evil witch. Our dashing hero comes to the rescue and gets told by a wise old sage (those are almost always wrinkled old poor women in these stories) how to turn them back, but also warned that have water for them ready nearby or they will die a terrible death. After some shenanigans the guy gets all three transformed ladies back and start to ride back to the king's castle to be the hero and get married to a princess for his heroic deed. (I remember him killing the evil witch in some gruesome way, but can't remember the exact details.) Except he is too impatient (an euphemism for being too horny) and decides to transform one of the girls back, despite not having water around. Sure enough, she gets back her human form, begs for water, hero has none to give, dies of thirst, hero buries her. Hero is very sad and all that... until a week or so later he does the same fucking thing with the second sister. He somehow manages to hold back with the third one, so he actually transforms her back to human fond near a clean fishing pond, proper saves her, then they get married and live happily ever after, like a hero deserves. Never mind that he killed her two siblings because he was a dumbass, nobody gives a shit. And again, this was a children's tale with covers and illustrations like this. I only realized decades later just how fucked most of the children's tales I grew up with were.
On another note I fully admit that your cheese allegory when right over my head, made a U-turn and came back just to confuse me even more.Last modified on 2019-06-25 at 11:50
|#15 by futonlord|
2019-09-09 at 06:21
|I think I'd have preferred a guro scene over a rape scene.... why the fuck did they make it rape instead of dissection? For shock value, gore is plenty.|
|#16 by surferdude|
2019-09-09 at 13:33
|^ The Master Beta wanted raep. :P|
|#17 by behappyeveryday|
2019-09-17 at 10:56
|You guys.. the point of this novel is making you feel sad and sick and raged. Why did no one complain about all those DEATHS and suffering and all crazy shit? No, girl being brainwashed into pleasure is much worse from your point of view? It always was the case that the highest-rated works of fiction are those that make you feel negative emotions, not positive ones. It is the same for top 50 of vndb and top 50 of imdb.Last modified on 2019-09-17 at 10:58|
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