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#526 by beliar
2021-04-29 at 07:11
< report >As npzmzfg said, if the group published a release, it shouldn't be removed, even if it stops being a publisher.
#527 by lunaterra
2021-04-30 at 20:24
< report >r77262 and r79509

I think it is very likely that these are the same release. When I first added the VN, it was labeled as a demo on itch, but now it's labeled as "Act 1" and as far as I can tell has no major changes other than the branding (just bug fixes). I was considering just changing the demo release to a partial release and adding the Steam page to it, but the SteamDB page currently lists only a Windows build, not the Mac or Linux builds available on itch. How should this be handled?
#528 by npzmzfg
2021-04-30 at 20:47
< report >#527

Oh dang, I didn't notice that they had just rebranded the demo.

I suspect that the platform listing on Steam is just incomplete at the moment, since SteamDB doesn't actually list any supported platforms: Windows support may just be a placeholder value, but I didn't want to guess. If that turns out to be the case, then r79509 should just be deleted and r77262 renamed (I guess?). But if Steam turns out to only host some of the platforms on itch, then we could split out those platforms so that there is one release for those on itch and one release for those on both itch and steam. r79509 could be used for that purpose, if we change the release date and so on.


That actually leads me to a bit of a related question: Is it OK to add links to store pages where an existing release is to-be-released? This occurs frequently for itch releases that subsequently release on Steam, where the Steam store page will be up for a while before the VN is actually released there. So far I've generally refrained from adding the Steam (or whatever) links to the release until the title is actually purchasable.
#529 by beliar
2021-04-30 at 21:19
< report >
but the SteamDB page currently lists only a Windows build, not the Mac or Linux builds available on itch. How should this be handled
Mayhap by creating separate releases for Steam and Itch.io. While it is true that Steam frequently doesn't mention the Linux compatibility for indie Ren'Py games (mostly because the devs are not sure thy cannot provide the support for Linux), in modern Ren'Py Windows and Linux is the same build, hence the game will almost inevitably have both the Linux libraries and the executable. Not so with the mac build. Mac builds are actually separate for Ren'Py, and I suspect they will not be included with the Steam release.

There were some such situations up until now, and it usually resulted in the creation of separate Steam (windows only) and other (itchio/Patreon) (winows/linux/mac) release entries, Similar to r73870 vs r78996 releases, where the Steam build only lists Windows as a platform.

That actually leads me to a bit of a related question: Is it OK to add links to store pages where an existing release is to-be-released?
Yes. No rules against that.
#530 by ninius
2021-05-01 at 20:35
< report >There's no Latin in languages? :O I found a VN with Latin as a language but can't add it 'cause it's not an option... Shibari MushiLast modified on 2021-05-01 at 20:37
#531 by beliar
2021-05-01 at 21:56
< report >You are surprised, Ninius? Latin is not a very popular language to speak nowadays :-)
Ask Yorhel to add it to the db and it shall be done.
#532 by mutsuki
2021-05-01 at 22:25
< report >wouldn't have thought that, my latin class at school was as big as the german one
#533 by fllthdcrb
2021-05-03 at 23:44
< report >Wow, a VN in Latin! Never would have expected to see that. So, what flag to use? The Vatican's?
#534 by ninius
2021-05-03 at 23:48
< report >I was thinking something like the flag in Duolingo link, or the Roman flag linkLast modified on 2021-05-03 at 23:51
#535 by yorhel
2021-05-05 at 08:21
< report >Latin added. Used the Duolingo flag, tho it looks kind of terrible at 13x11.
#536 by ninius
2021-05-05 at 14:25
< report >Haha cool, it looks alright to me :P
#537 by ezezin
2021-05-07 at 03:31
< report >About character clothes traits, should I describe/list every piece of cloth they wear in the vn, or just the ones they mostly use?
#538 by trickzzter
2021-05-09 at 05:24
< report >Can you also add Hindi and Urdu languages? For this particular release: r79630
I know it's crazy.
#539 by donkeyskin
2021-05-10 at 08:28
< report >Welp, can a mod please do something about the edit wars about this character's sex happening in my notifications?
Suzuki Haru is a trans woman. She is not transitioned yet but already presents herself as a woman.
Every once in a while someone sets her "sex" field to male, because it is a sex field and not a gender field.
I believe that unfortunately the rules on this d12#3 are kinda outdated: they do consider examples such as "traps" but not trans characters.
Since the game is all-ages, nobody really cares what her genitals are, there are never going to be sex scenes in it. I do think that having a character page for Suzuki Haru as "male" is incorrect.

Can a mod please make a decision on this?
#540 by yorhel
2021-05-10 at 08:46
< report >That's not so much a problem with the guidelines as it is with the data model. The field is for "sex", as mentioned, so "male" is correct if she's transgender but not transsexual. The problem is that the data model has no "gender" field and places too much emphasis on the sex when, in this case, it's close to irrelevant. Changing the guidelines to turn the current field into "sex if there's porn, gender otherwise" doesn't seem like a good approach to me.

Something I had in mind for a while: Since we already have two sex fields right now ("Apparent sex" vs. "spoiler sex"), what we can do is change the first one into "gender" and use the second for "sex", with the ability to mark either or both fields as spoiler. That'd much better handle transgender characters, but not sure it represents traps as well - does a typical trap even "identify" as the opposite gender? :/
#541 by npzmzfg
2021-05-10 at 10:26
< report >I am very much in favor of having a gender field and in favor of using that for display purposes. In addition to transgender characters, for whom displaying their gender is the right approach, IMO, there are also a large number of characters tagged as Construct, who have a sex listed despite not having a biological sex. And the approach you describe seems like a neat solution to both.

But while fields for Sex and Gender would solve the problem, is it really necessary with both? I am inclined to think that having Gender as a field supplemented by relevant body traits (such as Transman, Transwoman, Trap, etc.) captures all relevant information. This is also because VNs rarely state whether or not a character is cis/trans/etc., so I'd expect that most Sex fields would end up being filled in based on a given character's gender representation anyway. But there could well be edge cases that I am not aware of and I am not familiar enough with Trap characters to answer your concern in that regard.Last modified on 2021-05-10 at 10:44
#542 by beliar
2021-05-10 at 11:10
< report >Won't work, npzmzfg. It was the previous stance of the db, and it was specifically changed to 'sex' due to overwhelmingly negative comments that anyone who has a dick shouldn't be called a 'female'. Changing the field to reflect sex was our compromise that was actually pretty well received.

And no, traps don't consider themselves to be of opposite gender to their sex, though there are VNs where they are taken to be third separate gender.Last modified on 2021-05-10 at 11:12
#543 by npzmzfg
2021-05-10 at 11:38
< report >I see. In that case yorhel's suggestion is probably the best solution as is.
#544 by ninius
2021-05-16 at 15:22
< report >Should MinDeaD BlooD ~Shihaisha no Tame no Kyoushikyoku~ capital Ds be lowercased? Or is there some particular reason they should be left as it is?
#545 by draconyan
2021-05-16 at 15:29
< report >@544: it's just stylised that way by the developers.
#546 by ninius
2021-05-16 at 15:30
< report >^ Should the title be "MinDead Blood" or "Mindead Blood" to make sense?
#547 by mrkew
2021-05-16 at 16:45
< report >This anti-capitalization crusade is terrible.
#548 by ninius
2021-05-16 at 16:50
< report >No, it's awesome. Pleasure for my eyes.
#549 by naiohoras
2021-05-16 at 17:35
< report >on serious note, I believe it's better that we keep it that way. MinDead is a possible engrish pun of "Mind-Dead" and... well, pun is always a special case here in vndb (I'm talking about shits like Queen Buongior-no! ~Joou wa Seifuku o Nuida~ and ♥ri no Natsuyasumi ~Oji-san Kansatsu Nikki~).
#550 by ninius
2021-05-16 at 17:38
< report >If the other two capital Ds are meaningless then it should be fine to lowercase them for consistency's sake, as in "MinDead Blood".