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#651 by eacil
2021-07-10 at 22:44
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Checked Sickness, and it takes normal screenshots of the game. Just like 99% of Ren'Py games it downscales to 1736x976 windowed on my machine, but taking the screens in full screen works correctly. However, considering you have a larger screen, it's a possibility the game acts differently for you.
I tried on a smaller screen with a different OS and it still didn't work.
What are you using to take screenshots? I use irfanview.
#652 by beliar
2021-07-11 at 00:29
< report >Considering it's a Ren'Py game I used the S-key.
#653 by eacil
2021-07-11 at 00:55
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I discovered by sheer chance that the S key is a screenshot feature (talking about Sickness), not a shortcut to the save system. However, it takes upscaled screenshots. GNNNNNNNNNN
I am glad you are following what I am saying...
#654 by ninius
2021-07-18 at 23:04
< report >I'm so confused about the capitalization of "in/on/about" in English titles. Are they lower or uppercase?

Edit: I guess about is capped, but in/on are not. If I go by this linkLast modified on 2021-07-18 at 23:10
#655 by naiohoras
2021-07-18 at 23:10
< report >they should be in lowercase link, except 'about' because it's more than four lettersLast modified on 2021-07-18 at 23:12
#656 by ninius
2021-07-18 at 23:12
< report >^ that site I linked said "with" isn't capped, but yours says it is :/Last modified on 2021-07-18 at 23:12
#657 by naiohoras
2021-07-18 at 23:16
< report >probably different of capitalization style as there are several of them in english. I've been using APA for my whole life so I always follow its styling.
#658 by ninius
2021-07-18 at 23:18
< report >Oof... Damn English grammar rules :P Movie titles seem to lowercase "with" though...
#659 by naiohoras
2021-07-18 at 23:22
< report >probably it wont matter much unless someone wants to revise the guidelines into specific styling.
#660 by beliar
2021-07-18 at 23:44
< report >There are like 9 different capitalization styles in English: link. I am personally of the school that prepositions shouldn't be capitalized, hence Chicago/MLA/BB styles are closest to my heart.
#661 by ninius
2021-07-21 at 05:25
< report >v17863.35 Help, someone thinks this novel is longer than G-senjou and that's literally impossible.
#662 by mrkew
2021-07-21 at 08:20
< report >"Help, someone wants me to actually make arguments regarding length instead of just switching it. Please revert it to my speed and lock it for at least 2 years."
#663 by ninius
2021-07-21 at 09:28
< report >^ Such a contributing comment, well done. You're fucking childish if you get that from my text. The length system makes literally no sense anymore if Iwahime is considered to be longer than G-senjou lmaoLast modified on 2021-07-21 at 09:35
#664 by mrkew
2021-07-21 at 10:02
< report >There is a large number of people who say G-Senjou is long too, yet it's disregarded all because of a certain official translator's self-admitted guesstimate. Mind you, I have no opinion on g-senjou's length either way. I read it too long ago to remember.
#665 by ninius
2021-07-21 at 10:06
< report >It took me 48 hours to read G-senjou and 29 hours to read Iwaihime. Think about that. Furthermore about Iwaihime, only 36 out of 300 reviews had over 30 h playtime on Steam. It'd be ridiculous to set the length over 30 h when just a marginal amount of people take that time to read it.Last modified on 2021-07-21 at 10:11
#666 by blahblah35
2021-07-21 at 13:15
< report >It's not the first time that people fight over a length of a game. It's a thing that I don't really understand. I don't understand how it matters that much. It's a criteria that can fluctuate so much between people that it doesn't make sens. To be accurate, you have to take a large number of people, not the point of view of a single one. I think that, auto play, with default settings is much more meaningful.
#667 by ninius
2021-07-21 at 15:27
< report >I think it should be the average playtime, not some slow autoplay setting.
#668 by beliar
2021-07-21 at 15:29
< report >I believe Yorhel still hasn't given up on the "vote for length" feature, so there's that...
#669 by ninius
2021-07-21 at 15:30
< report >@beliar, Danpmss has been editing other novels with this autoplay logic too. Probably would change G-senjou to very long too if he could lolLast modified on 2021-07-21 at 15:33
#670 by beliar
2021-07-21 at 16:20
< report >I'm loath to engage in length debates regarding the games I haven't played. Though from what I have heard about G-Senjou, "Long" is almost certainly the more correct description for that game. However, unlocking that entry will almost inevitably result in another edit war regarding the length.

That said, Iwaihime length seems to be "about" 30 hours according to your play. So from that alone it would not be incorrect labeling it as "Long" by taking human deviation into account. However, this length surprises me, as HLTB shows link that most people could 100% it between 10 and 20 hours. At the same time G-senjou seems to fit into 35-45 range link. So, that "long" for Iwaihime seems very suspect.
#671 by ninius
2021-07-21 at 18:20
< report >Yeah well that's what I was trying to say... I'm a very slow reader and I know my playtime is way over the average in every vn I play so that's why I'm so weirded out by the edit of danpmss. It has nothing to do with me being so selfish that I'd want the database to be edited by my speed as mrkew likes to think.Last modified on 2021-07-21 at 18:23
#672 by xiandora
2021-07-23 at 04:00
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Yeah well that's what I was trying to say... I'm a very slow reader ......
There will always be cases like this whenever something involves variance in user experiences based on factors that vary for each individual. I am of the mindset that unless you're mostly convinced that you can either adjust your estimates to it or just straight up fit the "norm" for length, you should avoid messing with it unless you have to. Most people probably agree. Unfortunately, even some people that agree are way off in their estimates.

For example, I know that I tend to read faster than most people, so I tend to put any estimates I add/change at a margin above however long it took me. For cases like these I'd say that unless there's enough room for error in your estimates to support the claim - or you're not confident in your estimate - you're probably better off talking to the individual after trying to confirm which estimate is more likely to be correct.. which you did.
Wether that confirmation is through other people or statistics is a different story, but larger sample sizes tend to provide more accurate results. Trying to discuss it with the individual first before changing it is just my personal preference, as then it is far less likely things break down into an edit war. Trying to convince the person that their estimates are incorrect would be the best long-term solution, but if said individual is too stubborn then eventually there isn't much you can do but have the mods deal with it.. I'm intentionally avoiding mentioning how, as I'm not aware of how they'd go about things in cases like this - as someone that cannot be convinced that they are wrong are likely to produce more incorrect edits.

I think I've only made length edits that either had no estimate to begin with or ones that felt very "off" - the latter only happened once iirc, and that was an entry that had an estimated length even shorter than my personal estimate - and thinking further about I just couldn't see it happening unless you skipped reading the majority of the content.

*Edit* In this particular case I am seeing him include a newly added chapter into the estimate - which could change things in theory - but given the numbers I'm seeing here that seems highly unlikely.

TL;DR try to talk to the person, if it proves impossible then ask for help in either convincing or dealing with them.Last modified on 2021-07-23 at 04:06
#673 by ninius
2021-07-23 at 08:31
< report >Idk what I should say to him since he seems convinced that his logic of measuring playtime (autoplay) is the correct one :( I'd just like the database to have realistic info about the vns. Some people could be put off by the "long" setting of Iwaihime, thinking it to be too long to read even though the average person most likely would read the novel in ~20 hours. Whatever then. I don't want to have a headache over this.Last modified on 2021-07-23 at 08:36
#674 by ezezin
2021-07-24 at 00:33
< report >What should I do with shops that don't sell certain products anymore but still have some of the game information?
I'm guessing I should keep them in the database just in case the official website doesn't exist anymore in the future, right?
#675 by naiohoras
2021-07-24 at 12:09
< report >c67642.8 I changed it without knowing that Hämäläinen is a common surname in Finland. but given that the vn original language is Russian and the original name itself is in Cyrillic, I feel like I should use Hjamjaljajnen instead, but I'm not sure. which one should I choose?