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#226 by naiohoras
2020-03-31 at 08:54
about link, I actually wanted to edit the name since the title is most likely 見つめていたい ( continuous tense of wanting something so the meaning would be "I want keep looking at you"). BUT, since it's in hiragana, the meaning is ambiguous (here we go, the Japanese pun!) it could be 見つめて居たい (which means something like "I want to be here and looking at you") it's a subtle difference but the former most likely the correct one, I never see the latter much in use. the title doesn't have an official romaji name so I'm kinda lost here and decided to just add an alias.

speaking of official title, t13480, and v27816.3. do we have actually a strict rule of sticking with official name? if that's so, then we have a ton of shits to edit now.
#227 by beliar
2020-03-31 at 16:37
I don't think we should take on the mantle of authority to correct the mistakes in transcribing loanwords various developers make when they invent their VN names.
The aforementioned Harem/Harlem Game is an interesting example, because the devs corrected the title for the sequel, thus acknowledging the mistake.

I think that it's not really that important for the games where both romaji and kanji/kana titles are provided hand in hand by the dev. Hence if we can discern the true meaning, we can correct the title or not.

For the titles, where the name is provided only in romaji, we probably should leave the mistake intact.Last modified on 2020-03-31 at 16:39
#228 by eacil
2020-03-31 at 19:29
The Harem/Harlem case was special because both words are spelled the same so we had to guess their intention (or more like guess if Harlem could make any sense). I agree that we should not (guess their intention) and that's why we kept Sousyun when it's most likely Soushun. However, when we do have Japanese + romaji, we must abide by vndb romanization and put the wonky spelling and other methods of romanization as aliases, just like you did Naiohoras, unless it's about proper nouns.
I tend to think that even without Japanese, other methods of romanization should be fixed. Rare are the cases where something like "bisyoujo saiminsidousitu" doesn't come with Japanese but I doubt we want that as main title. I am really tempted to fix Sousyun because it's been so long this title triggers me...

Beliar, did you see my question in #225?

I was for Mitsumeteitai but if it's ambiguous... Not to mention the last pun now that I think about it: I am loo... AOUCH!Last modified on 2020-03-31 at 19:30
#229 by beliar
2020-03-31 at 19:45
we must abide by vndb romanization
Sure, that is the rule when it comes to romanization, but as you can see there are special cases.
If a title contains a loanword which is misspelled in an officially romanized title and we also have an official kana/kanji rendition which lets us know what the misspelled word should be, I don't think it's really that important to try and fix it.
Frankly, I don't put much importance which title will be the main one and which one the alias - the misspelled or the corrected one (unless like with the Harem/Harlem Game, the dev self-corrects).
Moreover, as you have pointed out with Sousyun, the devs sometimes provide the game titles in romaji without kana/kanji to romanize from. It's quite clear the title would normally be Soushun, but the situation is quite unique and as we are not romanizing anything, we should leave the title as it is.

I didn't see question 225 before, but I'm with you on this. I'm against adding other romanizations (with possibly the exception of the official one if it differs from the VNDB one) to the alias field, as it simply fills up the field with a ton of aliases and is inconsistent. Some titles have the aliases in other romanization systems, others do not.
#230 by naiohoras
2020-04-01 at 05:57
okay, about Mitsumeteitai, I asked some of my friends and some natives in HiNative. seems like the latter (見つめて居たい/Mitsumete Itai) doesn't really make sense. while it does structurally they never use it in real life or even in literature since it's not even good as a pun. so I suppose the pun I mentioned doesn't exist and just a wild imagination of my mind. I guess it's either deleting the aliias or just change the title with Mitsumeteitai.
it's just a matter of romanisation, but I'm for Mitsumeteitai since it's a verb with te-form + wanting-to-do form, and not a combination of two verbs (te-form of two different activities). furthermore, Japanese themselves (by a testimony in HiNative at least) tend to differentiate them, thus making Mitsumeteitai the correct/more acceptable one.

as for Parallel Akiba Gakuen, since the Dev provided both kana and romaji, then just like we discussed we should preserve it until there's an official revision announced. I'm gonna change it then.Last modified on 2020-04-01 at 06:07
#231 by gvbn
2020-04-25 at 14:40
1. Why is 覇王 (Haoh) romanized Haoh instead of Haou? Someone did change it to Haou, only for it to be reverted because of "official" romanization used on their website. Yet with Tohsaka/Toosaka it was decided that vndb ignores "official" romanizations.

2. What exactly is the guideline with rentaishi? Romanization of 大きな is split evenly between "Ookina" and "Ooki na", yet with 小さな "Chiisana" is favored over "Chiisa na"

3. What to do with あの娘は○痴Girl (Ano Ko wa **chi Girl)? Looking at the official site, the "○痴" is supposed to be one made-up character with the kanji 痴 inside a circle (like 有 and ㊒). It seems that sites are using "○痴" as an alternative, but that makes it looks like a censored word. If it's a censored word, what is the original word? The only vulgar ones I can think of (痴漢、痴女) have 痴 as the first character.
#232 by harleyquin
2020-04-25 at 14:49
3. What to do with あの娘は○痴Girl (Ano Ko wa **chi Girl)? Looking at the official site, the "○痴" is supposed to be one made-up character with the kanji 痴 inside a circle (like 有 and ㊒). It seems that sites are using "○痴" as an alternative, but that makes it looks like a censored word. If it's a censored word, what is the original word? The only vulgar ones I can think of (痴漢、痴女) have 痴 as the first character.

For this specific example, it's a special case since the database cannot render the character the same way as the original title. Your understanding is correct, the character in the circle is intended to be used as a "labeller" the same way ㈲ and (株) are used for 有限会社 and 株式会社 respectively. Unfortunately, short of copying the product webpage somehow the next best thing was to use the censored word presentation for this product's original title.
#233 by eacil
2020-05-07 at 03:23
Is there any point in putting an apostrophe between n and y*? Such as Shin'yaku In'youchuu.
The point of an apostrophe usually is to make a distinction between んい and に (or any other vowel). There is no such thing as ny. If we do that for y*, we must do that for anything behind ん, right?
#234 by naiohoras
2020-05-07 at 04:09
there IS such thing as ny, eacil. in Japanese, both にゃ and んや written as nya, but they are pronounced differently. take nya in nya~ にゃ~ as onomatopeia for cat's sound, and nya in Renya 連夜 (れんや) for example. that's why we put apostrophe to differentiate them.Last modified on 2020-05-07 at 04:11
#235 by eacil
2020-05-07 at 05:54
Obvious is obvious. ;;;
Let's hope next time I humiliate myself, more time went than the last time I did.Last modified on 2020-05-07 at 05:56
#236 by naiohoras
2020-05-14 at 08:59
is it okay to use a logo representation as a character pic if it's necessary?

for example, Nine from 9 -Nine- Yukiiro Yukihana Yukinoato never appeared as a sprite since they are implied as "the player" itself, but they often use a logo of number 9 (the one on the VN's cover) as representation, especially when the player use Overload at the end, he appears as "9". it's basically their "shape" as a character in the VN.

another example would be L from Death Note, he uses "L" logo as his representation. well, he makes appearance later in the story, so it's out of question... but, hypothetically, if he never showed himself at all in the story and only use the Logo the whole time, would it be okay to use it as the character pic? how is VNDB's view on this?

The image must at least include the head (assuming it has one) and shoulders of the character. Full-body shots are fine, but legs are generally not that interesting yet cause the overall image to shrink dramatically.
from this guideline, I assume that the image should contain a living thing or at least something that look alive (e.g. a doll). but then again, there are irregularities (such as the talking swords Chaos and the katana from Rance), so I'm assuming that they're not restricted to living things, but it's not written anywhere on the guidelines.
#237 by literallolicon
2020-05-14 at 14:25
I believe that the character's indicators (shape, size, or similar stuff) should be, to some extent, "deducible" from the respective character picture. If, for example, you put a "9" logo as a representative for 9-Nine's MC, it's kinda impossible to figure out what kind of character he/she/it is for new players.Last modified on 2020-05-14 at 14:26
#238 by beliar
2020-05-14 at 14:46
I would say "No". The character entry should portray the char as they appear in the Vn itself. Not anime based on the VN, not any promotional material, but the VN. If the character's features are never shown, then it's better for the entry not to show anything either. Yes, I understand that image-less char entries can look unaesthetic among the others, but I think it's better that way.

I'm assuming that they're not restricted to living things, but it's not written anywhere on the guidelines.
Well, it's assumed that people would use common sense when applying the guidelines. I mean - a character is a character, whether alive, dead, undead, or an inanimate object - it doesn't matter. It can be a person, an animal, a sentient object or something else I'm lacking the imagination to list.
It cannot be the bottle of your favourite whisky, though, unless it talks to you. However, in that case you should pen a message to a different kind of professional to ask for their opinion. :-D
#239 by yorhel
2020-05-14 at 14:56
or something else I'm lacking the imagination to list.
The image flagging UI gave me Stock Photo Of A Duck today...
#240 by naiohoras
2020-05-14 at 16:41
The image flagging UI gave me Stock Photo Of A Duck today...
wait...what? and that's not even a... uh whatever

It cannot be the bottle of your favourite whisky, though, unless it talks to you. However, in that case you should pen a message to a different kind of professional to ask for their opinion. :-D
good thing I don't drink :P

the char as they appear in the Vn itself.
9 appears as "9" on the VN, though I suppose it's not the "true" form of 9 themselves, only a representative. but then again, what's define a character? it's hard for me to define by words so let me give an analogy:
> let's say somebody made a twitter account called SE. SE didn't put a proper profile picture, just a sylish letters of "SE"
> SE often made funny posts, he became popular in a short time, and eventually became a meme
> we can assume that SE is a character. and we know that there's a human behind it operating the account, but of course, no one knows his "true" form. he only known as SE who had stylish two letters as his profile pic.
> because he's a character, I think it's not a problem that we put the official logo of SE as character image since he known by it, thus making part of his character.

my point is, it's better to put a logo as representative, as long it's official, and in this case, appears and used in the VN.... I think.Last modified on 2020-05-14 at 16:41
#241 by lotuscale
2020-05-26 at 06:40
I want to ask two questions about character's image.
Relevant discussions couldn't be found within my searching ability. Sorry if these have been asked.

1. d12 says:

Full-body shots are fine, but legs are generally not that interesting yet cause the overall image to shrink dramatically.

Seeing "Full-body shots are fine", I uploaded full-body shots which mostly came from official website without cutting off the lower body such as link and link (Reason also includes that I don't know where to cut from in specific). But I haven't ever seen anyone upload full-body shot except me.
So are full-body shots acceptbale eventually? Should I edit image uploaded by me, only reserveing upper body?

2. Also in d12:

The image will be cropped to 256x300, but it is recommended to do this cropping manually before uploading to ensure that all character images of the same VN have the same width. This consistency looks better on the character listing on the VN page.

It seems that system cropped images but don't change the ratio, then is it necessary to crop every image to 256x300, which might caused redundant blank in both sides? In my opinion, as long as all character in one VN are of the same ratio, the consistency wouldn't be ruined.

Thanks!Last modified on 2020-05-26 at 09:04
#242 by beliar
2020-05-26 at 07:14
1. Acceptable. I myself have uploaded plenty of full-body characters to the db. You don't need to change anything.
2. You are correct. If all the character images are in the same aspect ratio, the actual resolution doesn't matter. During the upload they will be resized without changing the AR and the consistency will be preserved.
#243 by lotuscale
2020-05-26 at 07:46
@242 Thank you for replying!

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