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#1276 by zakamutt
2022-10-26 at 03:16
< report >#1274 レズ is more associated with sexualized contexts in Japan too, as far as I understand. Some people started using ビアン instead for this reason. jmdict also has it as (derog) though that's probably not always true.Last modified on 2022-10-26 at 03:17
#1277 by tapestree
2022-10-26 at 17:02
< report >#1276 Interesting. Yeah, there's a certain casualness associated with レズ as a shorter version of レズビアン, which would probably also result in its use in more sexualized contexts. I still don't think that lez and レズ have equivalent connotations, though. We also need to differentiate between translation and romanization. I could certainly see lez as a possible translation of レズ.

Please don't go down the path of changing katakana words into words that don't exist in any language. "Otacir" is already hard to understand, next thing we know we'll be getting stuff like "Arothi" for アラサー and other monstruosities.
I haven't personally changed any titles with オタサー. The examples I mentioned were presumably the work of other VNDB contributors who also viewed OtaCir as the best romanization. As for how to romanize words like アラサー or アラフォー, for the record, I actually have seen these romanized as AroThir and AroFour. But hmm, I'm not sure what AniDB's romanization standards would say about them. I'm looking at link and it's not that clear since they accepted scatolo for scatology, but didn't accept beit for arubeit. They also imply that if Puchimas wasn't a proper noun it would be petitmas. The rule seems to be whether the words "readily map to existing words in English" but I'm not sure what "readily" means. In any case, VNDB is VNDB and AniDB is AniDB, so it's always possible to evaluate romanization on a case-by-case basis if that's desirable. (It's not like the difference between going with "les" or "lez" here would affect users in any real way.)Last modified on 2022-10-26 at 17:20
#1278 by blahblah35
2022-10-28 at 10:03
< report >What should I do if a demo is removed by the author of a VN, and an episode is release as partial ? I mean, a VN will be released as an episodic format, so, partial release should be used, but do I have to edit the Demo entry and set it as Chapter 1 ? Create a new release ?
It's for this one : link
#1279 by Ileca
2022-10-28 at 11:27
< report >They called it a demo but it was just a partial release before chapter 1 was released as it included "the Prologue, and around 4k words of Chapter 1". This first release was so short it wasn't worth calling it anything else than a "demo". Now, the "demo" mutated into chapter 1 which is only 10k words aka 1 hour reading.
I suggest to just change the demo into a partial release.
#1280 by blahblah35
2022-10-28 at 12:22
< report >Ok, I'll do that, thank you :D
#1281 by adamstan
2022-10-31 at 13:33
< report >Regarding r12569.9 and r407.18 - is Notes field really approppiate place to post opinions about translation? I think discussion thread would me more suitable.

(Not that I completely disagree with that opinion - that TL indeed becomes unedited mess in a later part of the game, and has fair share of problems, but calling it "completely made up" is going too far, and smells like a gambs' ramblings to me)Last modified on 2022-10-31 at 13:35
#1282 by blahblah35
2022-10-31 at 20:53
< report >It's a note, it's for informational purpose. It fits the purpose of the notes kinda.
#1283 by beliar
2022-10-31 at 20:55
< report >It's too one-sided. "According to 4chan and reddit" is not a reputable source to cite. And we had removed similar notes in the past, so I'll do the same here.
#1284 by bassttark
2022-11-04 at 15:42
< report >I updated r86562 to be the final release of Daddy's Little Girls but now I see that it has another old version (r87765) and I am not sure whether this one should be deleted or I should have created the final version as a new separate release instead of modifying the old one.Last modified on 2022-11-04 at 15:43
#1285 by beliar
2022-11-04 at 16:47
< report >r87765 should be deleted (it shouldn't have been created in the first place).
#1286 by Ileca
2022-11-06 at 08:52
< report >Here is a list of 234 VN with a length despite being in development, which is not allowed. If you want to increment your edit counter with no effort.
#1287 by blahblah35
2022-11-06 at 10:15
< report >Shouldn't we use a script or something with so much entries ? :o
#1288 by cubky
2022-11-06 at 10:17
< report >To start with, why are we still allowed to set the length on an entry?
#1289 by Ileca
2022-11-06 at 10:35
< report >I guess that it is inconvenient to have to create the VN entry first, then the releases, then only you can set the length.

There should have legitimate examples when I think about it where the script is known to be x words (not a developer's wishful thinking) but the VN isn't released yet. Which means I am half wrong in saying this is not allowed and you will have to check every case (can't use a script).
VN with partial releases like patreon stuff shouldn't have lengths for sure.
#1290 by myou
2022-11-06 at 23:26
< report >
VN with partial releases like patreon stuff shouldn't have lengths for sure.
No, wasn't the recent decision rather that user votes would not be counted for in development (but not cancelled) VNs, but the old length intervals would be allowed and displayed for VNs with at least 1 non-trial release...? The DB's display was also changed in apparent accordance with that. In fact, I thought this was something you were also aware of before me.
#1291 by beliar
2022-11-06 at 23:50
< report >DB display always allowed the set length for all VNs on the technical side (there might have been a short period where it wasn't true, but that was reverted back to the previous state), but it is true that no length should be added for in-development VNs. It's a known fact that the devs frequently have unrealistic expectations regarding the length of their yet unfinished work, and we cannot trust it.
#1292 by myou
2022-11-07 at 00:00
< report >All right, thanks for clarifying.
#1293 by Ileca
2022-11-07 at 01:09
< report >I was only talking about the old length that, while old, proved to still be useful.
For your Ciconia example, the old length shouldn't have been set and I removed it. It's the same for any patreon game that is not yet finished as you can't predict the length of what doesn't exist (and yes, devs can't be trusted). If the number of words is known before the release, I think it's fair to set the length as it is a pretty objective measure for unvoiced VN.
While the playtime will display "unknown", uncounted votes are allowed as they are useful indicators before the VN reach completion.
The difference is that you expect exact times with votes but the old length has broad categories so you can set it beforehand without playing the games.
#1294 by Ileca
2022-11-08 at 02:01
< report >Do we agree that fangames should use their own instances of the characters? Like Corpse Party: Blood Covered 『Visual Novel』 or any fangame about Umineko or DDLC, etc. Even if they rip the tachie.
Like imagine having a long list of fangames appended to official characters...
If that doesn't convince you because you like fangames bloating VN's relationship already, think about how these fangames could mess with the traits.
#1295 by Yorhel
2022-11-08 at 04:42
< report >Yes, that's been policy since forever:
Where instances might be suitable:
[..]
- The two characters are the same character used by different developers.
Re-using the art doesn't make it the same character.
#1296 by Ileca
2022-11-08 at 06:31
< report >I want someone to create instances for all DDLC mods. At the moment, we only have 8 instances max.
#1297 by pelagie
2022-11-08 at 09:49
< report >Even when the fangame is an exact remake of the original work? Corpse Party: Blood Covered 『Visual Novel』 is just an adapatation of the original game in pure VN form; it uses the same story/characters/assets/voices than Corpse Party: BloodCovered on psp. Thanks for the clarification.Last modified on 2022-11-08 at 09:50
#1298 by Yorhel
2022-11-08 at 09:52
< report >If it also uses the same script, it shouldn't be a separate VN entry in the first place. If the script is rewritten, then yes, different developer = different character instances.
#1299 by cubky
2022-11-08 at 09:53
< report >#1297 Should it even be a separate VN entry at that point? Sounds more like an unofficial release of the game to me.
#1300 by pelagie
2022-11-08 at 10:01
< report >Hum... I don't know. It's an adaptation. I've read it, the script is reworked, the gameplay parts are removed and the dev use assets from several official games of the license. For exemple, the bgs are from Corpse Party: Book of shadows. Do you think the entry should be removed?