BlazBlue at VNDB?

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#1 by echomateria
2010-10-14 at 15:10
< report >usagi can you tell us why did you add this game to the Visual Novel Database? As far as I know it doesn't have any content related to the games we feature here.

Hopefully not for brief ADV style dialogues between fights that almost every fighting game and RPG have these days.

Although I noticed this article, which has these words:
The story mode in the game is done in the fashion of Japanese visual novels. It is a long, deep story that requires you play through hours of scenario battles with every character to gradually uncover the full story of the Azure Grimoire. It adds a lot of value to the game and is actually a fairly well executed story. For the first time in a long time, I booted up a fighting game excited to learn more about the characters and their backgrounds instead of just fighting.
But we need more input than the one belonging to someone unfamiliar.
#2 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 15:17
< report >yep. it is vn. What I mean -- console version. if you play story mode -- there will be much more VN segments than actual fighting. And NVL sequences too. In any case this game not less vn than melty blood.

I am not sure if I should take it seriously or not.

take it seriously ) Gameplay of story mode consists of reading 60 or even 80% of all time you spend on it. Fighting between scenes takes only 10-20sec usually ) And if you add TIPS mode with _long_ humorous dialogues of chibi-like characters.. ))Last modified on 2010-10-14 at 15:26
#3 by echomateria
2010-10-14 at 15:19
< report >Alright, thanks for the clarification.

If it has a story mode that is of considerable length like the one in Melty Blood, I don't think anyone else would mind to have it here.

The story mode of the Guilty Gear games (love the series) wasn't that much different than any other fighters around, so I had my suspicions.
#4 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 15:30
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The story mode of the Guilty Gear games (love the series) wasn't that much different than any other fighters around, so I had my suspicions.

Rest assured, story mode of Blazblue is much more longer and sophisticated than Guilty Gear's ^_^

P.S.: why I can't add pics? 0_0Last modified on 2010-10-14 at 15:38
#5 by echomateria
2010-10-14 at 15:41
< report >It would be easier if to talk if you can join our IRC channel #vndb@synirc.net.

In any case you need to explain what do you mean by "can't". As in describing the error if you are getting any.
#6 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 15:48
< report >when i add screenshot -- it just says loading.. and never changes. I wait patiently 5,10 min and more.. without result. However cover image for the game uploaded succesfully in 2 sec. But when i tried to upload screenshots -- it never succeeded and when I added editing note and push button -- it says that I shoul wait until pics are uploaded.
#7 by beliar
2010-10-14 at 15:52
< report >And what about Continuum Shift? Will you add it here too?
#8 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 16:03
< report >No, because I didn't play it yet. I don't know how much VN it is 0_0 someone who played should decide..
#9 by echomateria
2010-10-14 at 16:10
< report >My guess is that the images that you are trying to upload are somewhat incompatible, like they are either too big or of an unrecognized format. Check d2#6 for more details.
#10 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 16:16
< report >No, they are standart jpg format of 200-300kb size -- same as cover image (which uploaded without problem) 0_0 Maybe because they are 1280x720? But it is original resolution.Last modified on 2010-10-14 at 16:19
#11 by echomateria
2010-10-14 at 17:10
< report >If you can pack them all up and put on an upload site, I can try and see if they work.
#12 by himitsukou
2010-10-14 at 17:39
< report >What about Gun-Katana? It's an FPS.
#13 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 17:53
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If you can pack them all up and put on an upload site, I can try and see if they work.
Ok, I'll try it.
#14 by echomateria
2010-10-14 at 18:15
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What about Gun-Katana? It's an FPS.
We already do have Gun-Katana - Non-Human-Killer.
#15 by himitsukou
2010-10-14 at 18:44
< report >I know, I asked why is it in the database, as from what I see from screenshots and movies, it's a Painkiller-styled FPS.
#16 by echomateria
2010-10-14 at 19:04
< report >Because users that did play it said that it has VN/ADV style story sequences. By that I don't mean the chatbox popping below during the FPS scenes. But more proper ADV scenes with sprites of people talking and ones with CGs, including H scenes of course.
#17 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 19:50
< report >Ok,I did it. Here:

1)from eng console version (click on pic to see it in full resolution)
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2)those from jap console version
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3) those from pc eng version
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Also there are some similar pics but with different text -- I couldn't decide which is better ) So I leave it to yours discretion ^^

P.S.: forgot pic with choice
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#18 by blackiris
2010-10-14 at 20:12
< report >Okay, I guess that's okay since MB is in the db too. Truth be told though, I wouldn't exactly classify action/fighting games that consist of... let's say 30% for reading texts and 70% for action and such.
Those are action games that have something from visual novels. Not visual novels that have something from action games.

And how am I supposed to give it a score anyway? I gave it 9 because it's one of the best... I'd even say that it's the best fighting game in a very long time. The story exists for the sole purpose of giving the characters a background, to give them characters. And for the story I wouldn't even give it a 4.

So... what about jrpgs? Some of them are even more of a visual novel than the game we're discussing now. The question is: should we add them? Of course not! They are jrpgs, not visual novels! And the same situation is here, it's a fighting game, not a vn.

Going back to the aforementioned Melty Blood - this one is more of an exception than a rule. After all, the story told in MB is vital for the whole nasuverse - it directly connects with other visual novels (Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya).

All in all, I give it a 9 and vote for removing this game from the db.
#19 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 20:34
< report >Well, technically speaking -- it has much more typical VN elements, than fighting game should have. Even lots of event CG's and choices.

Okay, I guess that's okay since MB is in the db too. Truth be told though, I wouldn't exactly classify action/fighting games that consist of... let's say 30% for reading texts and 70% for action and such.

Wrong for single player experience. If you play only in story mode -- 70% you will be reading.

And how am I supposed to give it a score anyway? I gave it 9 because it's one of the best... I'd even say that it's the best fighting game in a very long time. The story exists for the sole purpose of giving the characters a background, to give them characters. And for the story I wouldn't even give it a 4.

I got what you mean.. But if you so concerned about conformance of game's rating to vndb -- rate only visual novel part. As I did ) And in my opinion story there is very good (especially humour -- it's rare thing) and in any case much better, longer and more worthy of vn title of full value than pile of short english amateur vn's (like this link )which plagues vndb. It's not fault of this game that fighting part is so perfect )
About existing of story only for the purpose of giving characters the background -- I disagree. For that simple purpose there couldn't exist such plot analysis guides link ) Honestly, after I read it -- so much story material can leave many famous plot oriented vn's green with envy ;)

So... what about jrpgs? Some of them are even more of a visual novel than the game we're discussing now.

Wrong. Almost all of them haven't any narration, event cg's, paperdolls, choices. Which this game have. It is technical details what defines vn is vn -- not your opinion about how good is plot etc.Last modified on 2010-10-14 at 21:16
#20 by blackiris
2010-10-14 at 22:03
< report >Hehe, you really want to prove your point no matter what, don't you? Fine then, you may have gotten carried away with those 70%, the definition of visual novels... well, totally missed the point and "almost all of them (jrpgs)" is a bit unclear too. E.g. Persona 3 Portable, or even Persona 4, they consist of higher percentage of reading than BB but still are not vns but mere jrpgs.

Let's just leave those trivial things, understatements and misapprehensions and let's say that BlazBlue is a visual novel.
#21 by usagi
2010-10-14 at 22:57
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E.g. Persona 3 Portable, or even Persona 4, they consist of higher percentage of reading than BB but still are not vns but mere jrpgs.

They haven't narration. Narration is the most crucial part of vn's as was defined by long-standing disputes here.

Let's just leave those trivial things, understatements and misapprehensions and let's say that BlazBlue is a visual novel.
I admit that BlazBlue is actually fighting for the most people who knows about it (fighting part there is too great and most of possible consumers are fighting fans) and most of users here probably will rate it for his fighting qualities.. but I really want recognition of BB's story mode as separate visual novel. I mean for me if choose between purity of vndb titles at the expense of loss of great story and more full representasion of all possible vn-like experiences -- I'll choose the latter. Besides there are not so many english titles with such vn parts on newgen consoles.. and BB even as the fighting game isn't very popular for some mysterious reason.
What I want is that vn-fans will know that game too -- and appreciate it according to their tastes.
Personally I'm not fighting games fan (I'm too slow for such games). Besides I usually hate multiplayer games and for me only singleplayer exists ) But I was attracted to BB initially by beautiful art.To my surprise that game really captivate me by its story and yes -- for me it is visual novel first and fighting game second.Last modified on 2010-10-14 at 23:03
#22 by echomateria
2010-10-14 at 23:00
< report >The JRPG discussion, among all other related should-we-keep-this-game-discussions, took a lot of our time to solve in the past. I just don't want it to happen again, that wasn't really pleasant (such lengthy headache-inducing discussions), so please read the related articles on our discussion board and not start one again.

Thanks for the pics usagi, I'll check and post them briefly, was busy playing Iji.
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