H-Scenes only with protagonist tag?

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#1 by kratoscar2008
2017-04-02 at 21:30
So EGS has this tag that its pretty helpful when you want to avoid non-MC sex in the game.

I think vndb should get one. Sure you could use "protagonist as the only male" but that excludes monsters and such, also ultrageneric npcs that could appear with the only intention to provide NTR material.

What do you people think?
#2 by fuukanou
2017-04-02 at 21:44
It'd take forever to put it on a very large number of visual novels it'd cover.
Whether it's a good idea or not, I can't comment on though.
#3 by cnkx
2017-04-02 at 22:04
The closest thing to that would be when you look at the character list in the VN's, you can see their sexual traits. If you see that a girl or a guy has the "sex with others" tag it means that they're involved in a sex scene where the protagonist isn't involved in.

However this isn't perfect, but generally it's easy to avoid games where males other than the protagonist have sex (male protagonist being the only male involved in sex is pretty common anyway).

Avoiding the Netorare tag, "sex with others" character trait and seeing if any other male character has sex in the game is probably as far as you can go, but then again, it's still possible that another male character joins in a non sexual relationship even without those tags.

I personally prefer to avoid games where other male characters join relationships with the heroines, even non sexual. Something like Grisaia is what I like.Last modified on 2017-04-02 at 22:30
#4 by kratoscar2008
2017-04-03 at 01:09

It would suffice if just added on games that dont look vanilla enough.
For instance looking at the covers and the general premise of their games you would thought that BISHOP games would have that, which puts many people off. I remember avoiding their titles until i played MK3.

#3 Yeah the point of the tag would be for convenience more than anything since if you browse the novel and you inmedatly saw the tag at the main paige it would make you save time.

I also prefer when its only MC, be it vanilla or hardcore.
#5 by loctar87
2017-04-04 at 02:17
It doesn't seem like a particularly great idea, simply because of the massive number of VNs it would cover. If you remove the games with rape, I'd guess 95% of VNs with sexual content probably fall under this category. If you really want to cover it for some reason, you're probably better off by covering it the other way around, with a "Heroine sex with others" tag or something like that.
#6 by cnkx
2017-04-04 at 14:16
"If you remove the games with rape, I'd guess 95% of VNs with sexual content probably fall under this category."

Exactly, pretty much every visual novel, especially the most popular/highest rated ones are all the male protagonist the only male who is involved in romance to begin with, so actually having sex is almost exclusive to protagonists. This is because this is the tag and genre that most readers want.

When other males are "romantically" involved in non NTR VN's, they will always lose and never get any girl (take Majikoi for example)

But I can understand him wanting to make extra sure.Last modified on 2017-04-04 at 14:25
#7 by kiru
2017-04-04 at 14:32
That is actually not true. There are eroge out there, that are not NTR, and still feature sex with multiple guys. Fortissimo EXS//Akkord:Nachsten Phase is an example. It's not a typical VN with multiple girls to "capture" or whatever, so each of the girls with ero has it with their respective partner. (although the MC has kind of three possible heroines) The ero was added later on, so technically it's just a bonus (and you better view it as such, as all the new stuff added, not just ero, is really really bad and messes up characters) but it's still a thing.

And it's not just this case. There are also enough games with casual sex where this can happen. And I'm not sure what's supposed to be with "remove the rape", given that there are also games where only the protagonist is sexually involved and there's still rape. In fact, that shouldn't be too rare.

I kinda feel, some here have a bit too narrow view on the medium. It's not nearly as clear-cut as some here may think, or what you'd think if you just look at moege. In those other guys may have girlfriends, but you usually don't see their ero. (i.e. Doko no Donata no Kanjou Root ) But that's just moege..Last modified on 2017-04-04 at 14:33
#8 by cnkx
2017-04-04 at 16:11
Those are not the kind of eroges I'm talking about BUT I believe those you mentioned still remain the minority.

Obviously eroges that are not just about the romance of a single protagonist and multiple girls is always going to be different. IF it's multiple couples, it makes it something like a typical romance that you find in other mediums like Anime or well...real life.
This is probably the case in the first VN you sent.

Another point is: There's a difference between side characters who were something like boyfriend and girlfriend since the beginning of the game which are typically girls that don't have their routes VERSUS guys joining in with heroines that have their own route (this is what you typically see in NTR and it's exactly what I'm talking about).
And this is probably the 2nd VN (them being unimportant side characters) I dunno, I haven't played either.

Anyway, having girls involved in a non MC relationship is already uncommon-ish, let alone actually having their non protagonist h-scenes (in non NTR). It's not about it not existing but instead about it being uncommon in the "choose your route/girl" vanilla type VN like Grisaia, Majikoi etc. I don't know what you consider these types of VN's/eroges, but those are the ones I'm talking about.Last modified on 2017-04-04 at 16:18
#9 by arashibarashi
2017-08-11 at 08:10
Would vote up for that one. At least "sex with others" tag could be often more than helpful and time and effort saving. But in fact even "sex only with protagonist" tag is still rather useful for those who want to make sure. Besides having both tags would give us comprehensive set for categorisation and possibility to label every related game if need be. Or on the other side, see for sure that it still wasn't properly labeled and not because there is no such tag.

Btw I don't believe everything is so simple as people itt make it sound. In my experience the better the stuff the more creators tend to go for realism and choose sensible consequences in the plot above everything else. So unless it's some boring thematic nukige you hardly have expectations for to begin with, there always is the chance for surprises. And even itt I surprisingly do not see that many would like to have them. So having the tags instead like EGS does make enough sense.Last modified on 2017-08-11 at 14:32
#10 by kratoscar2008
2017-08-12 at 22:14
Forgot about this thread. Aniways i think having a tag like this would be helpful since usually some games might not look like they only have MC sex or they go agaisnt expectations.

Some examples:

As mentioned many BISHOP games looks like your tipical Lilith game (More so the ones with Kagami heroines) but in fact few feature the heroines being corrupted other than the MC (Exceptions like Ura Kyoushi and SLG3) so that tag would help.

Elf Futago Hime from Lune. Given its revenge premise and because the generic elf rape theme you would think its the usual MC uses monsters and his men to corrupt the girls when in fact no one but MC does the deed (Though some endings end with MC selling the girls in their bad endings but its still the MC only one having sex with them) and there are more happy endings than bad endings for the girls.

Moshimo Shopping Mall and Ero Appli being vanilla games you would think there is no such thing as sex other than MC but they have a gangbang to a teacher and girl giving her boyfriend a blowjob respectively.

Then some Miel Isekai games were if you see many males having sex with a girl and you think they are not MC when its the MC clones having sex. Here a MC only sex tag would help (I know there is a sex with clones tag but the former tag its more reassuring).

Then you have many Chikan and Gyaru games were due to the premise you would assume there would be other males having sex but sometimes they only feature the MC.

The sex with other traits wont help you when searching for games with only MC, specially Nukiges.

So im still supporting a tag for MC only sex.


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