Is it cool to hate this VN now?

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#26 by sup-chan
2018-08-23 at 12:25
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Emiya, Mighty Wind, Light and Darkness, This Illusion(inst), Lightning Swordman, Clashing Souls, Golden King, New Dawn

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Lohengrin, Einherjar Nigredo/Albedo/Rubedo, Mephistopheles, Thurd Walkure, Both Ewigkeit, Einsantz, Gregorio, Rozen Vamp, Deus Vult, Juggernaut, Amantes Amentes, Jubilus, Letzte Bataillon, Holocaust, Götterdämmerung, Schutz Staffe, Cathedrale, Omnia Vanitas

Not only it wins in quality, it does in quantity too. It doesn't even come close in my opinion, regardless of how good or iconic Emiya is individually, if we look at the soundtrack overall, Dies wins by a landslide.

I would argue that FSN beats Dies Irae in terms of world building and the rock-paper-scissors kind of thing the servants have going for, in the sense that given the current circumstances everyone can win the Holy Grail War (I mean, you may need some asspulls like what happened in Fate with Saber vs Berserker, but still it's doable), while the gap in power in Dies Irae between Merc/Ren/Reinhard > Trifa/Eleonore/Schreiber/Machina > Rest of the LDO is too big, so the routes will always follow the same/similar structure no matter what.

Music, artstyle, fights, characterization, translation, writing and I would argue pacing too (this is more subjective since it depends if you like SoL moments to change things up a Little bit between fights and so on, but for me the cooking and anything that wasn't related to the HGW was unbearable in FSN, though there is a couple of introspection moments with Shirou concerning his ideals or Kiritsugu that are good) is way better in Dies Irae than Fate though. Characters in particular is where DI blows FSN out of the water, the cast in general was superb.Last modified on 2018-08-23 at 12:38
#27 by hisoka89
2018-09-13 at 17:43
Protagonist better? XD

The protagonist in dies irae are fucking bad !

Sorry but Kei,ren fuji,kasumi,marie,spinne are shit characters, specially ren fuji aka the worst protagonist i have ever seen in any media.

Yes dies irae is a good visual novel but overrated as fuck, the battles are mediocre, protagonist are fucking bad, the story is a mess, the pacing is horridious and weak romance.
#28 by kominarachromer
2018-09-13 at 22:17
#27 Welcome to chuunige.

I actually agree with some points; some of the characters (Kasumi and Rea in particular) are kind of bland, and I wasn't able to get past the beginning (in the English version, mind) due to the incessant pacing issues and generic-ass introduction. (Seriously? A bunch of murders happen, the protagonist gets beat around by the culprit, and then gets miraculously saved? Was Masada trying to rip off F/SN?)

That said, most of these are problems with chuunige in general. It's certainly better than, say, 11eyes -Tsumi to Batsu to Aganai no Shoujo-. The romance isn't really necessary, and the fight scenes are a good deal better than most other titles in the genre. I'd like to revisit it at some point; specifically, after I play Paradise Lost. If nothing else, I'd like to see why so many JOPs seem to give it 9s and 10s.
#29 by sup-chan
2018-09-15 at 10:03
I would say Marie, Kasumi and spinne are indeed a bit bland, the last two in particular got the short end of the stick in comparison to the rest of the cast. Rea is sassy and has some great scenes specially in Marie's route, Ren is supposed to be a contrast to the other more crazy LOD members and his apoptosis Shirou, while Kei is really well developed in general, but her actitude can get on your nerves (doesn't make her a bad character).

>Was Masada trying to rip off F/SN?
He probably saw it and thought "I can make that shit better, just watch this *chuunige intensifies*" (And he did, the absolute madman)

Jokes aside, I think Dies Irae is unique enough and has far more strengths than weaknesses to stand up with it's own identity, even if you can see some similarities.Last modified on 2018-09-15 at 10:28
#30 by harleyquin
2018-09-15 at 12:37
Paradise Lost (Prequel to Dies Irae) released 2 weeks before Fate/Stay Night, so not sure if accusations of plagiarism really apply.

Both franchises are enjoyable for those who like this genre, it's a matter of taste on which one is "better". Personally I prefer Dies Irae because the cast is less black and white compared to the Fate cast; I like the world setting for the Dies Irae series more (the Throne and how it works is more interesting for me than the interminable Grail wars)
#31 by kominarachromer
2018-09-15 at 16:30
#39 I’m not accusing Paradise Lost of ripping off F/SN - from what I’ve seen, they’re very different - but Dies definitely took some influence from F/SN. I don’t think it’s necessarily a rip-off; but the opening chapters are very similar in both structure and plot.

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