VNDB Suggestions!

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#1 by the7wind
2010-11-13 at 23:49
< report >well, i'm really thankfull for the guys that made VNDB a great reference for Us.

As the title says : these are some suggestions to make ( in my opinion ) VNDB a better portal.

I think that tags shoud be seperated in two groups in the VN pages : instead of having : hide spoilers | show minor spoilers | spoil me! we can show tags depending if the tag itself is a basic tag in the novel : that all routes within the VNs contain the specified tag : ( most likely this group will contain tags related to the style of the VN, characters, protagonist ...)
and a group of tags that shows specific tags for the routes ( Most likely will contain the spoilers )

And when someone does an advanced search he can choose the general tags of the VN or Specific route tags

Benefits ==> No need for tags such avaidable rape / unavoidable rape, avaidable netorare ..........etc : since if they are avaidable they go to the the routes tag group.
Some people do not mind having turn-off elements on their VNs that are specific to some of the routes : instead of excluding all the VNs that contain the undesired tag they could exclude it if it's only something within specific routes

Another suggestion : the advanced search is not so advanced in my opinion o.O !!
You can only include muliple tags, exclude multiple tags and add a language.
We can't even search for a TBA english patch with specific tags!
You should combine Tags, Releases and producers within a single advanced search.
This way you can even search for VNs including specific tags and for a specific producer!

A little thing to point : Some tags do contain the aliases within the description and not within the Aliases : this doesn't help when searching for the tag with another correct name!

We could also have related vns or recommandations made by users : for example if you liked a VN you should consider other VNs : example : link

Well i'm expecting critisism and suggestions for other users! So go aheadLast modified on 2010-12-23 at 11:32
#2 by izmosmolnar
2010-11-13 at 23:50
< report >No.
#3 by fujifruit
2010-11-14 at 03:01
< report >Yes.

#4 by echomateria
2010-11-14 at 03:29
< report >the7wind, you should check our development roadmap page. There you'll see that we already have a new organization for 'how the talents are displayed on a game's page' in the works, though it is quite different than your suggestion.

About the search interface, Yorhel is working on making the search better all the time, but it is a quite complicated process and it takes time to get any noticeable results.

While here, and since you said that you will check this thread, I have one thing that I was meaning to tell you. You have been adding a lot of tags lately, please link every tag you add to a few games. If you think of a tag, but can't think of a game to link it just yet, than please wait until you have a game. Tags without any games linked to them are quite useless, since most users rarely even notice their existence...Last modified on 1970-01-01 at 00:00
#5 by the7wind
2010-11-14 at 05:22
< report >@echomateria : thank you for the answer and the link : You are working on some good changes as i see :
Hope you specially work on the advanced search. One of the advanced search modules i like is of link : simple and efficient : you may inspire yourself from other websites i guess.
regarding the added tags, i already linked ALL of them to at least one VN. You can check out ! I'm trying to help : guess we could be a pain in the ass when we start in any community so i'm trying to get used to the rules and preferences of VNDB! and thanks again for your reply!
#6 by Yorhel
2010-11-14 at 08:10
< report >@izmos & fujifruit: I'd appreciate it if you can hold back your trolling urges for useful/serious threads, thanks.

Other than that, pretty much what echo said. Ideas to improve vndb aren't things we lack, what we lack are the ideas on how to actually implement all that and capable people with enough time to do so. :-(Last modified on 1970-01-01 at 00:00
#7 by irx
2010-11-18 at 08:46
< report >What I'd really like to see is an option to have a list of titles I'm interested in and get (e-mail) notifications of any updates to them (like - been released, new patch - that sort of thing).

Just saying. :DLast modified on 2010-11-18 at 08:48
#8 by saberger
2010-12-15 at 07:20
< report >Can we turn on the spoiler for the tag " Death of Heroines"? For example, this novel. I think that this counts as spoiler, at least for those who have just played a minute or two of the gameLast modified on 2010-12-15 at 07:22
#9 by gabezhul
2010-12-15 at 07:32
< report >First: this is not really the right place to ask that.
Second: you can do that yourself by marking it as spoiler.
Third: it would be absolutely pointless as it is clearly written in the VNs description that the heroine is deadly ill and only has one week to live.
#10 by saberger
2010-12-15 at 07:41
< report >1.Er. so if i want to ask something, where should i post?
2. er, again, how can i do that?
3. It's not clear whether she die or live in the future. As the introduction stops at the most ambiguous point, we can not know for sure that miracle will not happened, that's why seeing "Death of Heroine" made me feel unmotivated to seeing the whole thing
#11 by gabezhul
2010-12-15 at 07:52
< report >You can start a new discussion under the VN (duh...), and you can mark a tag spoilerous on the game's tags (DUH...). It's like this: got to the VNs's main page, click on the "Modify Tags" bookmark and then modify the spoiler-rating of any tags you find inappropriate.
Oh, and stop the offtopic here, this thread is not about specific games.Last modified on 1970-01-01 at 00:00
#12 by novelsfan
2010-12-20 at 12:11
< report >@post #1: yeah, I agree with everything you said
@post #8: lol failLast modified on 2010-12-20 at 12:11
#13 by irx
2010-12-23 at 06:56
< report >Another wish - a better support for horizontally oriented cover art, currently they are scaled down way too much.
#14 by Yorhel
2010-12-23 at 09:31
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a better support for horizontally oriented cover art
Hehe, Echomateria has been bugging me about that ever since he found VNDB. And just when I thought he had given up on it... How much did he pay you to start the discussion again? -.-;

But no, supporting horizontal oriented covers means creating a separate layout for the VN pages, which I don't believe they are worth. VN images do not necessarily have to be cover images (but indeed it is preffered), you're free to use an image in an other format.
#15 by lyle
2010-12-23 at 11:10
< report >Can VN length be measured by MB instead of hours? Reading speed really varies from person to person.

Another problem is there is a huge gap between the games in the "short" category (e.g. Narcissu around 0.19 MB, Saya no Uta 0.31 MB) and the games in the "medium" category (Cross Channel 2.09 MB). Where do games like Axanael (1.2MB) go?

It would also be easier to categorise games you have never played. For example, when adding a game you've never played you have no idea how many hours it is, but you can easily check the script size.

Thank you.
#16 by irx
2010-12-23 at 12:02
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But no, supporting horizontal oriented covers means creating a separate layout for the VN pages, which I don't believe they are worth.
That much trouble? Because even on my small 19"/4:3 display at work @ default 1280x1024 resolution it seems there is quite enough free space out there for a horizontal cover without a need for any layout change.

you're free to use an image in an other format.
Oh, I tried - but those crazy otakus just keep putting their tiny horizontal covers back, insisting they are more genuine or something. :'(
#17 by Yorhel
2010-12-23 at 12:31
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Can VN length be measured by MB instead of hours?
It's actually measured by comparison against other VNs. The time indication is nothing more than just an indication. Script size has been suggested and discussed many times, but I'm not a huge fan of that. See t406 and t443.14 for related posts.

but you can easily check the script size.
Unfortunately, that's all but easy... Check the second thread I linked.

there is quite enough free space out there
On a large resolution, indeed. The problem is that I want things to look okay on a lower resolution as well - and there's not a lot of unused space in a 1024px wide browser. So we'd still need two layouts. :-(
(And since when is 19" and 1280x1024 "small", netbook users would be jealous. :P)Last modified on 1970-01-01 at 00:00
#18 by naitoharuto
2010-12-28 at 00:06
< report >VNDB board should have more member the database is perfect for surfing and anything VN related so the board should expand.
#19 by liliput
2011-01-10 at 15:04
< report >VNDB should add agth code if needed :)
#20 by mateka
2011-01-23 at 13:59
< report >I just thought of something.

Maybe make a slight change to the search. Currently it is possible to search for every kind of entry here, but only once you go to the specific page of the type of entry you want to search for (i.e. Tags)

Once you go there a new search box appears on which you can switch instantly for what you want to search for.

It would be pretty damn productive in my opinion if that were to be implemented somehow into the search box on the left in the menu, via a drop down list for example.

The other thing I'd find good is to include another searchbox on every page but not in the menu, instead somewhere at the top in the middle.

The reason I am proposing this is because:

1. I find the current searchbox a little small and hard to spot
2. Every place I visit has the searchbox in the middle at the top(or just in the middle) of the screen. By every I mean, Google, AniDB, Torrent trackers/indexers, Gawker well basically 90% of sites I visit. So if I were to look for a way to search I wouldn't start on the left side of the screen.

But if you guys think that's not a really good idea, I have another proposition.

Instead of having the current search box as an entry in the "Menu", give it a box of it's own and move it to the top above the "Menu" box.Last modified on 2011-01-23 at 14:02
#21 by dacasa
2011-01-23 at 15:30
< report >One thing that shouldn't be changed: the background colours and stuff. I always open when playing a game in windowed mode because the backrgound colours fit with everything
#22 by mateka
2011-01-23 at 18:14
< report >That can be changed in your profile.
#23 by Yorhel
2011-01-24 at 12:10
< report >Hmm, some thoughts about your suggestions:

- The layout doesn't easily allow a permanent search box on the right-top of the page. Either the tabs are standing in the way, or it won't work very well together with the right-top bg image. :-(

- While they may be productive once you get used to it, I dislike context-sensitive search boxes because they are extremely counter-intuitive. It's against one of the most important user design principles: "If something looks the same, it should behave the same" - if the box looks the same and stays at the same place for each page, it should also behave the same. I still can't get used to the AniDB searchbox, I keep expecting it to search for anime regardless of which page I have open. >_>

- A separate box in the menu, with added "search section" drop-down list may work. Though I don't like the idea of pushing the main menu down, so it will be below that. (Similar to some mediawiki sites)
#24 by mateka
2011-01-25 at 00:16
< report >I never search for anything except anime on AniDB but I can see where you are going with that argument and I agree with you.

You don't have to implement it though if you don't want to :P

And while I'm here allow me make another suggestion

-A really neat feature would be the ability to quote a post directly from within a topic, instead of having to manualy add the tags and the text.

i.e a "quote" button in every box just like the way you have the "edit" button in your own posts

edit:typoLast modified on 2011-01-25 at 00:16
#25 by sheeta
2011-02-02 at 15:43
< report >This might've been suggested before (so sorry if it has) but maybe it'd be a good idea to only add translation group releases when they've released a patch of sorts (partial, full, whatever) rather than just sticking a 'TBA' on it and letting it stay like that for several years? The sheer number of dead 'TBA' releases is pretty huge...