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#1 by 707
2017-09-08 at 08:19
Hello, sorry for asking a stupid question but, in r47098.7 you stated that "we aren't romanising anything, but rather transcribing the title as it is portrayed," then shouldn't it applies to Japanese games title that already in latin, but contains random capitalization like Cendrillon PhalikA? (it written with lower case p and uppercase a)Last modified on 2017-09-08 at 08:23
#2 by beliar
2017-09-08 at 09:45
Capitalization is a slightly different thing. For the main VN titles we try to maintain the US capitalization standard, where the words in the title are capitalized. On the other hand, you are right regarding the releases, as these can and probably should retain the non-standard capitalization as it is portrayed on the cover. So, in this case the release probably should be lowercase p and uppercase a.

Not that the DB is very good at maintaining consistency among its multitude of titles... :-P
#3 by 707
2017-09-08 at 11:59
What about another latin in original title (still refers to same entry as if only one I remember right now)? Is it necessary? I honestly find it ridiculous but seems like nobody cares about that.
#4 by beliar
2017-09-08 at 12:29
Frankly, I also find it slightly ridiculous, as I feel that the original title field should be reserved for non-roman characters, but it seems that in this case the field has been filled in by nutellafan, who is also my colleague moderator.

You might try firing her a message to ask what's her opinion about that...
#5 by 707
2017-09-11 at 01:32
Oh by the way, then the title in Bunka no Kenkyū -Revival of Queen Leyak- should be using u and not ū, isn't it?

ps why no notification whether someone replied to the thread :')
#6 by nutellafan
2017-09-11 at 01:48
Hello guys, to my understanding and from what I gleaned from the Editing Guidelines (link), the "Original" field of a Visual Novel entry should have the official capitalisation. The Title (romaji) field should have capitalisations conforming to the standard rules of [US?] English...

So Cendrillon phalikA should be:

Title (romaji): Cendrillon Phalika
Original title: Cendrillon phalikA

And yes @707 #5, Bunka no Kenkyū -Revival of Queen Leyak- shouldn't have the "ū" but "uu".

(Also, I don't believe you ever get a notification when people reply to your thread. It would be nice if such a feature could be included with a toggling function).
#7 by beliar
2017-09-11 at 08:11
shouldn't have the "ū" but "uu"

Frankly, nutellafan, that doesn't seem reasonable. The game is an OELVN and the title is not a really a romanisation in the strictest sense, but an invented title the creators created on a whim and should rather be treated as a stylistic choice.

It's my belief that the title has more in common with titles like Re]de[flection and <3 than an actual JP romanisation.
#8 by nutellafan
2017-09-11 at 12:37
After reading your opinion I've decided to inspect closer. Reading further, "Bunka no Kenkyū" is the spelling used in official descriptions with "Bunka no Kenkyu" being the next best option. "文化の研究" looks to essentially be bells and whistles; making their logo pretty really- it's not treated as the main title spelling, so it's as you said, not to be treated as a direct romanisation strictly... If that made sense.

With that in mind "ū" should stay as it is.
#9 by 707
2017-09-13 at 12:46
@beliar Didn't you said it standard capitalisation should be applied to VN entries and not releases? With that logic, Bunka no Kenkyū -Revival of Queen Leyak- should have "uu" on the VN entry, but ū the release. O-O (Although I do understand for this VN because we just copied what the original developer wants)

@nutellafan Under the original title column, a note written
"The original title of this release, leave blank if it already is in the Latin alphabet."
Hence why me and (probably) beliar thought it's ridiculous to have an exact latin alphabet in the original column.
But VNDB should also gives information on original title including original capitalization. so it's confusing for me to be honest.

Combining what you said, then shouldn't the VN title in Cendrillon PhalikA stay as it is, while the releases title should be Cendrillon phalikA? Applies to other VNs as well.
#10 by beliar
2017-09-13 at 13:23
Combining what you said, then shouldn't the VN title in Cendrillon PhalikA stay as it is, while the releases title should be Cendrillon phalikA? Applies to other VNs as well.
I agree here with you, 707. However this has been applied very inconsistently since the very beginning.

Regarding the Bunka game, there aren't many OELVNs that use non-standard romaji as their titles (I know of only one another), hence there is no hard rule how to behave regarding it. I'm basically winging it, but the current situation makes the most sense to me and I wold rather not fiddle with it.
#11 by nutellafan
2017-09-14 at 12:03
@707 #9:
Combining what you said, then shouldn't the VN title in Cendrillon PhalikA stay as it is, while the releases title should be Cendrillon phalikA? Applies to other VNs as well.

If we're going strictly by the capitalisation rules and following the "leave blank if already in Latin alphabet" notice to leave the "Original title" bit blank:

Database VN title (romaji): Cendrillon Phalika
[^All unnecessary capitalisations and lower cases edited; "If there is no real reason for this choice of capitalization (e.g. it's not an acronym), these titles should be properly converted to normal English capitalization before being entered in the database."]

Release title: Cendrillon phalikA
[^"...the 'Original title' field and the title/name fields of other database entries (including release entries) should use the official capitalization wherever possible."]

In regards to the "leave blank if already in Latin alphabet" thing, the guidelines say the original title should preserve the original capitalisation:

"It occasionally happens that official titles are either entirely in uppercase or lowercase characters. If there is no real reason for this choice of capitalization (e.g. it's not an acronym), these titles should be properly converted to normal English capitalization... This only applies to the main title of a visual novel entry, the 'Original title' field and the title/name fields of other database entries (including release entries) should use the official capitalization wherever possible. " (link)

I may be about to embarrass myself as a mod here, but I honestly don't know whether the notice supersedes the guideline or vice-versa.

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