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#1 by nekoinemo
2017-09-12 at 16:57
What's the deal with this Netorare 2.2 tag? This VN seems like a godsend (with yandere heroines and all) but netorare is just... gross. It's a real dealbreaker. And 2.2 suggests it's probably not some optional content in bad end, is it?

Can somebody clarify if NTR is avoidable and, overall, how bad game is in that regard?Last modified on 2017-09-13 at 11:05
#2 by kzel
2017-09-12 at 18:00
Note that I say this as someone who generally dislikes NTR content (of any kind).

As the tag suggests, there is NTR content for one of the heroines (I won't say who), it's not optional and is completely necessary to understand her character completely and what the game is trying to say.

As for how bad it is : one, maybe two scenes to endure through, including a 3P of some kind that I remember being... disturbing.

Still, if you like yandere, I can't recommend this game enough.

EDIT : spoiler tagsLast modified on 2017-09-13 at 05:33
#3 by tyr
2017-09-12 at 20:42
That's a MAJOR SPOILER tag in your thread title, idiot.
Thanks for ruining this game for everyone who hasn't played it yet.
#4 by any13th
2017-09-12 at 21:32
I got baited by the title thinking there was some new sort of NTR outbreak like a virus, and they had to call it version 2.2, but it was just the tag votes average >.>
#5 by fuukanou
2017-09-12 at 22:42
#4, so did I, and I was also tempted to read this before the spoiler...
#6 by vempele
2017-09-12 at 22:56
There's also a major spoiler in #2.
#7 by nekoinemo
2017-09-13 at 11:07
Sorry, didn't noticed it was a spoiler tag.

Thank you, kzel, for explanation. Guess i'll have to skip this one then NTR is always gross and is never acceptable. Such a shame they had to ruin such a wonderful VN with it...
#8 by behappyeveryday
2018-01-10 at 16:52
@7 You ruin it yourself by reading spoiler tag. You can ruin any game by reading spoilers. Even in such masterpieces like Yu-NO and MVA were netorare, it also was in FSN. This is not moe, those are plot based games so they have not only pleasant things in them.

How the fuck you living in real life if you can't accept the fact that girls cheat? Almost any girl cheated to her bf, or ex. You need to read some Red Pill info, or reality will crush you completely.Last modified on 2018-01-10 at 16:53
#9 by wakaranai
2018-01-10 at 18:19
dumb necro. here's a plot twist for you. what if he experienced harsh reality first hand and now seeks solace in games where girls don't cheat?
#10 by kratoscar2008
2018-01-11 at 00:20
Whats funny is that i would rather girls kill me in-game than get NTRd.

#9 then why dont play games with no NTR tag?
#11 by wakaranai
2018-01-11 at 00:31
i guess that's exactly what he does, he just got frustrated that VN with artwork he liked had been "ruined" with it.
#12 by byran47
2018-04-28 at 09:22
@ behappyeveryday
What an ironic name, and comment. Stay classy my friend
#13 by stormwolf
2018-11-08 at 16:07
@3 that was only a spoiler if being ntr'd is a turnon for you. Otherwise it's a relief to know it beforehand.
#14 by warfoki
2018-11-08 at 20:32
I know I'm answering an ancient comment, but there is no Netorare in FSN. Like, at all.

Plus I'm agreeing with @13 here.
#15 by kratoscar2008
2018-11-08 at 21:26
I can understand, in my case i hate when nice character designs are wasted on NTR/gangbang stuff (Usually dark elves).

#13 & #14.
Heh dont go there, Tyr doesnt gives a fuck about people feeling good but rather get a clean experience and for everyone to accept every aspect of storytelling, be it sad or happy, gross or sweet.
#16 by bobjr2000
2018-11-08 at 23:04
#10 I am most vanilla guy but I did finish one game It was hypo mother sister rape. I only finished because heard about bad ending and surprising was pretty satisfied this rapist piece of shit was killed in the end.

Not a fan of genre but was pretty happy they have that option. I forget name of nukige but if you cheat on gf gives more realistic ending, gf breaks up with protagonist after finding out. Nothing over dramatic or sad but seem fitting.
#17 by stormwolf
2018-11-09 at 22:36
#15 i don't really care at all what tyr does or doesn't give a fuck about. People read what they like and avoid what they don't like. I bet there are themes you don't like and avoid as well? What if that heroine fingerfucked herself with the protagonists chopped off hand? I'm sure that would turn a good few people away from the vn. It's kind of like that.
#18 by ramaladni
2018-11-10 at 06:44
If there are people who want to be spoiled about certain tags, there are also others that don't - else there wouldn't be a reason for the system to begin with. By putting the spoiler tag's name on the title, the OP robbed people from any kind of choice. How can this be so hard to understand? It's completely beyond me, honestly.
#19 by sakurakoi
2018-11-10 at 07:29
there are also others that don't
why are they here then? This is a friggin' db, if one is triggered about "hidden" genre they should stick to shops and official descriptions. It's not due to laziness or incompetence that many other and similar pages lack spoileur options yet here it is obviously seen so strongly that certain entitled folks become obnoxious about it... and defeating any purpose and merit which such a system might have.

A semi-recent thread shows quite well how pretty much anything is regarded as spoiler by someone. This obviously does not mean that everything should not be marked as such by default even.

"Please avoid or mark spoilers" is different to "If you spoil me I will ruin your life, your family and everything you remotely care for!"
and to begin with, there is a significant difference between
"(A) heroine dies*" and "that's how she dies why and when".
People nowadays sure act like the prior "ruins" a work as much as the latter. But if either is all it takes to ruin a work then how for ducks sake was it compelling to begin with?!

*can obviously be replaced by other verbs

Like IRL, an extreme response tend to trigger another extreme response, if you wonder why people get that upset about you, it is always worth considering if oneself is/the other was not too upset to begin since such can trigger that "why should I remotely emphasize with you!" response. The trigger here is obviously #3 for being so trigger'd.
#20 by ramaladni
2018-11-10 at 08:23
why are they here then? This is a friggin' db, if one is triggered about "hidden" genre they should stick to shops and official descriptions.

There are many, many reasons - be they for the discussions, listing purposes or to help find new titles. As a frequent user of this board, I'm sure you know all of these things without me having to say them.

It's not due to laziness or incompetence that many other and similar pages lack spoileur options

So, the problem here is that #3 called OP an idiot, not that he called him out on his mistake? To begin with, "idiot" is such a low-level insult that I'm actually shocked you'd compare him to a serial killer.

People nowadays sure act like the prior "ruins" a work as much as the latter

It does matter. For your example, what if it's a mystery story with only one heroine and that essentially spoils me the whole plot? In this case, what if a story's drama is about wondering whether or not the heroine is cheating on you? What if I am reading a story and suddenly I understand all of the context clues because one day I happened to read a forum thread title? Kinda ruins your enjoyment of the story, doesn't it?

Also, Totono isn't some random cheap nukige where the Netorare is one of the featured fetishes. The NTR in this game is actually part of a very important plot twist and knowing how important this tag is probably tyrggered that kind of reaction. Not saying we should start calling everyone idiots from now on, but I don't think that was what the others were arguing about.

Yes, it's a community effort and obviously not everything is going to be perfect, so slip ups are bound to happen. Still, I think it's important to call people out on their mistakes so they can reflect on them and not repeat them.

I'm not sure what you mean with your last paragraph. Though I care more about what is said, not really how he said it.Last modified on 2018-11-10 at 08:32
#21 by warfoki
2018-11-10 at 11:06
I agree that major spoilers should not be in the thread titles, as you can't help avoiding reading those as they pop up on the homepage. I guess that was the case here and just later got edited. As is though, saying "about spoiler tag" and then discussing the spoiler is perfectly fine, then it's the reader's choice if they enter the thread or not.

Personally I checked the VN before reading the thread, saw that there's an upcoming translation. Now normally I'd avoid any spoilers for a Nitro+ title, but this one seemed... suspicious. First of all a high school romance story is about the last thing I expected from Nitro+. Still, it has good (and numerous) ratings for a non-translated title, so there has to be more to it. And then there was the last line of the description. I'm REALLY not a fan of VNs forcing you into bad ends before allowing you the choices leading to the good ones. And considering Nitro+'s track record, I kinda wanted to know just how "bad" those bad endings actually get. As in, are they the "protagonist and heroine break up, sad music plays" or the "and then everyone get tortured / murdered / raped and you can't do anything but watch" variety. Because the first one is merely an annoyance, but I'd still be kinda interested in it, while the second one is an absolute dealbreaker. And while I generally avoid spoilers, I'd rather spoil some aspects, than to unknowingly start to read something that turns into a tragic story, I HATE those.

So I headed over to this thread to see if I get an answer. While I didn't get one directly, it seems based on the comments that it's probably more like the former kinda bad ending on the first run. In that sense NTR is within the boundaries of what I should have expected, but it still kinda kills my interest. Not completely, but it definitelly knocked down the title a couple dozen places on my list of VNs I want to read. Aside of pure nukiges with a hetare protagonist I don't give a toss about, NTR is quite high on the list of tags that can make me go "nope, fuck this shit, I'm not reading it". Not quite as high as "tragedy", "utsuge" or "only bad endings", which are absolute dealbreakers, but not that far below either.
#22 by stormwolf
2018-11-10 at 18:36
She can have whatever reasons she wants to fuck someone else while in a relationship. None matters though. There is no way i'd accept anything other than "breakup ~fin" after discovering it and listening to the pathetic reason for it.
#23 by namiultedjapan
2018-11-10 at 22:05
There were other ways they could have gone that would have removed NTR from the story and it would have been just as great if not better. I really think it was stupid and kinda made me sick to my stomach.


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