#1 by johnbmoege
2022-07-05 at 02:12 | < report >FYI for the latest High Res edition, you are longer locked into Chisato's route for the first playthrough.
But yes, Chisato can be annoying as hell at times but let's not forget the other amazing heroines and their routes which did well like Isara, Mifuyu, and Satsuki.Last modified on 2022-07-05 at 02:14 |
#2 by AmanoKaze
2022-07-05 at 03:19 | < report >She's aware that she puts the protagonist on a hook, truly one of the worst heroine in historyLast modified on 2022-07-05 at 03:19 |
#3 by phantomjs
2022-07-05 at 04:56 | < report > The devs for some fucking reason thought having every other route locked until you complete the Chisato end was a good idea. FYI for the latest High Res edition, you are longer locked into Chisato's route for the first playthrough.
I personally don't get this decision to unlock Chisato's mandatory 1st play through (just like Rewrite+). These mandatory 1st play throughs exist for a reason. In the case of Rewrite, it's because of how the storyline was structured. For Koichoco, reading Chisato's route first gives context to her behaviour in other routes. Anyway, like Rewrite, this VN has very fast alt skipping (unlike alt skipping in SMEE titles which is hell, especially this one); it takes literally like around 5 mins to alt skip her route (I did it myself as I wanted to read Mifuyu's route first), but by 'forcing' the user to read through her route first, it informs the user that there's at least some sort of intention behind the decision to do so.
A bit of a baffling decision imo |
#4 by AmanoKaze
2022-07-05 at 05:47 | < report >Maybe the devs are aware that Chisato is a piece of garbage so we're obliged to play her route first where she's at her best.
It's not like her story is more canonical compared to the other as well, it is weirdLast modified on 2022-07-05 at 05:47 |
#5 by phantomjs
2022-07-05 at 06:15 | < report >#5
Then just alt skip her route. Except for 1 unskippable scene, you can literally skip her entire route in a matter of mins, and by locking the 1st route to hers, you let the user know there's a reason as to why. Wouldn't unlocking it confuse a lot of readers? Again, skipping a route is very easy so I don't see the benefits at all
Idk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Edited: oh sorry. Now I get the motive behind your post (complain about Chisato) lolLast modified on 2022-07-05 at 08:23 |
#6 by Mrkew
2022-07-05 at 10:45 | < report >I like Chisato. |
#7 by letterless
2022-07-06 at 01:38 | < report >Chisato is so bad that reading her route makes the rest of VN look godlike, I want to believe they made her that bad on purpose. |
#8 by AmanoKaze
2022-07-06 at 03:55 | < report >#3 Knowing what her past might justify how she behaves around chocolate but most of the times she just wants the protagonist for herself, regardless of what happened to her before, leading her doing some of the most annoying things in existence. I can never forgive her for what she did towards the end of Isara's route.
Still having to do her before anyone else is unnecessary, other than the possibilities of skipping her route entirely if people played other routes firstLast modified on 2022-07-06 at 03:59 |
#9 by phantomjs
2022-07-06 at 04:05 | < report >#8
Still having to do her before anyone else is unnecessary Yes it is. It gives your context to her behaviour in other routes, such as
I can never forgive her for what she did towards the end of Isara's route.
Without fully reading her route first, you get no clue as to her behaviour otherwise.
Anyway, it takes like mins to skip her route entirely too if you read hate her so much and do not want to read her route. So why bother changing her mandatory route read on the 1st playthrough?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
#10 by AmanoKaze
2022-07-06 at 04:10 | < report >Welp i did say " she just wants the protagonist for herself", this behavior is as plain as day in every single moment of the game, her route is not necessary to paint this. I played the game actually liking chisato and just went downhill after her route was finished.
Changing the mandatory route would save some time for others if they are interested with other heroines. Again, her route doesn't have any substances thats incredibly crucial which affects the outcome of other routes, i personally don't see the reason why they need to lock the route order other than the possibilities of her route itself is going to be skipped by most simply because she's a giant number 2 in the other routes (except mifuyu's, she somehow became an even bigger turd in her own route).Last modified on 2022-07-06 at 04:11 |
#11 by phantomjs
2022-07-06 at 04:17 | < report > Changing the mandatory route would save some time for others if they are interested with other heroines. Locking the 1st route to Chisato's give the reader the message that her route should be read first (because at the very least there's some reason to. Otherwise, why bother with this?). Unlocking it will confuse a lot of users as they may wonder why Chisato acts the way she does in other routes and they aren't told that the answer lies in reading her route first.
All of this for what? Just to save a few mins? I mean, if this 5 mins or so is really important to you, fair enough. If not, much like Rewrite+, personally I think this decision does more harm than good |
#12 by AmanoKaze
2022-07-06 at 04:21 | < report >I doubt people needs to know what exactly causes her to be a leech and potentially ruining other people's lives just because the guy she likes hooked up to another girl. Even if they know, those behaviors are not justifiable. A bad past doesn't justify a bad action.
At the end of the day, the game is about winning the election with some tidbits here and there, Chisato's being who she is or what causes it doesn't change or affects the main premise, especially when she's not even the selected heroineLast modified on 2022-07-06 at 04:22 |
#13 by phantomjs
2022-07-06 at 04:39 | < report >#12
I didn't say Chisato's actions in other routes are acceptable, just that the act of removing her mandatory route 1st playthough does more harm than good. Who knows, maybe the vast majority of readers hate her as much as you do (I can feel the hatred flowing through your pores lol), but that's for the individual to decide. And what about those who do care? This decision may well end up inconveniencing and confusing them. All of this for? Just to save 5 mins of time? Lol
Anyway, if you think Chisato sucks so much and you want as much time off of her (even for 5 mins)as possible, then power to you man. You do you :) |
#14 by AmanoKaze
2022-07-06 at 04:45 | < report >Wuh, i'm just saying assumptions man, i couldn't give a damn if people like her or not, whether they skip her route or not. I played the game in the lock order route, if i did a replay ofc i would skip hers or the routes i don't like, why should i do all of that again. The part of her route that i hate isn't even about chisato herself. You haven't even ellaborate why not using the locked route order would do harm, you know you can just explain it with a spoiler cover |
#15 by phantomjs
2022-07-06 at 05:11 | < report >#14
I didn't say or bother about whether you cared if people liked her & her route or not. And I have already said why not locking the 1st route to Chisato's is bad, that it takes just a few mins to overcome this lock if you want to, and why unlocking it has virtually no benefits.
I get it, you hate Chisato. Really, I get it :)Last modified on 2022-07-06 at 05:43 |
#16 by AmanoKaze
2022-07-06 at 06:01 | < report >Welp looks like you can't even say in details what exactly is important in her route that makes the lock route order necessary rn, not in a vague or general statement. I guess case closed then, sorry for spamming your review, OP |
#17 by dostedt⭐
2022-07-06 at 06:24 | < report >Personally, I liked her a lot. Route intruding is something I either love or hate. But since she is the best girl of this VN, I don't mind it at all. It can be nice on occasions like that. I liked it in Majikoi with Miyako as well. But if I hated her, I can see why route intrusion would be annoying.
As for her route being forced first, I think it sets up a lot for the rest of the VN. She is the one that the protagonist would more than likely get with if this was a kinetic novel, so it makes sense to me. But maybe I would sing a different tune if I hated her. Who knows? |
#18 by phantomjs
2022-07-06 at 06:47 | < report > Welp looks like you can't even say in details what exactly is important in her route that makes the lock route order necessary rn, not in a vague or general statement. I guess case closed then, sorry for spamming your review, OP
I never said reading her route is absolutely important or necessary. I just said why unlocking Chisato's madatory first read through is not a good idea in the view of the entire situation. You're the one who twisted my words. And whether you want this case closed or open remains. I'm up for it if u want to twisted and argue further |
#19 by KiritosMom
2022-07-06 at 12:21 | < report >I'd like to add she's somehow worse in the anime |
#20 by phantomjs
2022-07-06 at 22:20 | < report >#20
I bet the reason for that is probably that the adaptation sucked, much like a lot of VN-to-anime adaptation |
#21 by animenger
2022-07-08 at 02:03 | < report >Kinda interesting to see that people think the anime adaption was bad. I both read the whole Chisato route (Along with uh... attempting a couple others) and watched the entire anime adaption. I thought that the anime actually did a lot for the plot that the VN somehow just... didn't! For example, they actually show the character of Oosawa. (Only hinted at as far as I read which admittedly wasn't very much I suppose 😅) Not to mention that they actually have the MC win the effin' election! (Don't even get me started on how disappointed I was in the VN on that particular angle lol) But yeah I thought the anime for this was actually surprisingly good idk. |
#22 by johnbmoege
2022-07-08 at 02:57 | < report >Ooh. I'll watch the anime in a year or so when my memory of the plot is not so fresh anymore. Thanks for the insight. |
#23 by animenger
2022-07-08 at 03:12 | < report >I hope you have a swell time 👍 |