#1 by lemonov
2022-07-20 at 18:43 | < report >>this game is kinetic, this means it's bad
huh??? |
#2 by evolutionz
2022-07-27 at 10:59 | < report >Please try to read carefully! Muv-Luv IS NOT a kinetic visual novel. Kinetic Novels don't have choices.
Muv-Luv pretends to give you choices that have incredibly little impact.
That's why i said IF IT WAS a Kintetic Visual Novel i would've rated it better, but seeing how it gives you choices, that don't have any significant impact of any kind - it falls flat. |
#3 by lemonov
2022-07-27 at 14:16 | < report >Does having choices which change minor dialogue hurt the main narrative? I don't think so, it just gives the story a tiny bit of personal twist for each player. I don't understand how you can be so anal about this |
#4 by evolutionz
2022-08-01 at 21:01 | < report >Because in a visual novel, it's supposed to have a meaningful impact. Here you literally get a different letter at the end, and like 5 lines of dialogue depending on who's cockpit view you see when he's flirting with Sumika. That's pretty much the impact of your choices. No different routes or anything.
I'm sorry I don't like your favourite little novel, lol |
#5 by plisken
2022-08-02 at 03:08 | < report >"I'm sorry I don't like your favourite little novel, lol"
That statement right there says to me that your 'review' is less about pointing out the flaws in it, and more about giving it a "spite score".
We see this all too often with Muv-Luv Alternative, typically from fans of other works that are sore about the fact that theirs isn't #1, Steins;Gate fans being a HUUUUUUGE contingent. (And don't get me wrong, I adore Steins;Gate, but I'm not whining because it has yet to topple MLA).
Yes, MLA isn't an absolutely perfect VN, but a score of 5 is pretty ridiculous. |
#6 by evolutionz
2022-08-05 at 20:03 | < report >I disagree, i don't think it has much going for it besides the story itself.
I don't find the characters particularly endearing or memorable - as i said they don't even have routes.
The only reason I remember the characters at all, is because I spent 3 visual novels with them.
Considering the combined playtime of all 3, if anything, I'm surprised how little emotional impact everything had for me. And that's after riding the coattails of the buildup from 2 previous titles...
This isn't a spite score, i just value interpersonal relationships and character bonding more than the overall story.
And those areas were not well handled in my opinion.
Your response makes me think that you're probably a pretty big ML fan that just doesn't like it when it is not rated excellently.
A 5 is still alright. The story was good enough, although it's not like it stuck with me past a few months, and everything else was fairly lackluster imo. The soundtrack had some good pieces.
To me it was an alright experience, but i have absolutely no desire to read it again. (which I tend to do with Novels that I enjoy)Last modified on 2022-08-05 at 20:28 |
#7 by Lakan1570
2023-10-23 at 04:57 | < report >"All characters just fall in love with you cause you're there"
- It was explained in the story that all the girl routes that Shirogane took in Extra and Unlimited are the reasons for the girls falling in love. His trait as a causality conductor made it so that information (emotions he built with the girls) from those timelines get transferred to the main alternative timeline. So them falling in love with Shirogane in those timelines eventually translated to them falling in love with him in Unlimited. It sounds bullshit, but I'd rather take that than having the girls falling in love with him out of nowhere.
"There are barely any events that foster the direct relationship with any given character."
- Muvluv Alternative assumes that you played all the character routes in Extra and Unlimited. Essentially, Muvluv Extra builds the characters, Unlimited builds the world, Alternative ties both together. If you don't at the very least take all the character routes in extra, it is without a doubt you'll feel that they're bland.Last modified on 2023-10-23 at 04:59 |
#8 by nirvaren
2023-10-23 at 06:50 | < report >You would've given it an 8 or 9 if it was kinetic, but because it's effectively kinetic and not truly kinetic you give it a 5? Seems odd to me. I never was much of a fan of the series' heroines, they're okay but not too interesting. I played for the story and it was great.
Extra to me was mediocre, I'm assuming you're more of a fan of moege than plotge so makes sense. |
#9 by animecac
2023-10-23 at 08:21 | < report >This makes zero sense.
A kinetic novel is a sub-genre of a visual novel. A visual novel may or may not have choices. If it has meaningful branching choices, you would call it a multi-route visual novel. This never claimed to be a multi-route visual novel, so why judge it as such?
In fact, Japan doesn't even recognize our English terminology. They are all simply adventure games.
You should simply rate this visual novel for what it is, not against your own mismatched expectations. It never promised to be multi-route branching story, yet you score it down as such. If it did claim to be then I'd understand your score, but because it didn't -- and your expectations are built solely on misappropriating English tags that the original Japanese game never even claimed -- I have to say your score rings through as ridiculous.Last modified on 2023-10-23 at 08:23 |
#10 by cheekyman07
2023-10-23 at 09:04 | < report >"I'm sorry I don't like your favourite little novel, lol" Saying something like this only makes sense if the person is showing clear bias, since that's what you imply. That didnt happen, they were just challenging your logic.
Meaningless choices in visual novels are common. I dont understand why that is a criticism. There is no objective rule that visual novels need to have distinct routes and that choices need to matter to a certain undefined point. What im getting at is you tried to turn something that is subjective into an objective point of criticism, that's why it did not make sense to the people who replied to you about it.
Now it would have been fine if you said something like 'I don't like how the game has meaningless choices that don't branch off into full routes' since you would have just kept it subjective and I would be able to see it from your point of view easily. Not to mention I would agree to it because it would have simply been more content to read coming from something I enjoyed to begin with.
The issue is when you tell people that it is criticism, as if this is something that is objective and should be accepted.
I'm not surprised that people questioned you about it, since it turned out to be the primary reason for lowering your score. |
#11 by cheekyman07
2023-10-23 at 09:06 | < report >#9 huh guess we were of the same line of thinking there, did not see your post until after I sent mine. Now it looks like a weird coincedence lol.Last modified on 2023-10-23 at 09:09 |
#12 by yusifakhayev
2024-01-24 at 03:21 | < report >This is one of the dumbest reviews I've ever read.
"If this was a kinetic novel I could see myself maybe rating it an 8 or 9/10 but it's not and so I dont."
If a visual novel doesn't have any meaningful choices, it's effectively a kinetic novel. Docking points for the inclusion of meaningless choices is so... petty. There are tons of ways to critique it. I don't know why you'd come at it from such a ridiculous angle.
It's like giving Umineko a low score simply because it doesn't have sexual content.... One of the main tags for Alternative is "Linear Plot." You either ignored this, or were too stupid to understand what it meant. |